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Dalezilla

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Posted: April 29 2010 at 22:03

So I went to the store to buy a pair of jeans and this thread has three more pages when I get back. LOL

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Posted: April 29 2010 at 22:04

Peter wrote:

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Stop ignoring me, Dean (Slart, et al)!

I used to BE someone here....

you do realise that it's way past my bedtime now and I shouldn't be posting here at all at the moment.

Yeah, I was surprized to see you on here at this hour.

Hey, I'm a sensitive guy, but my post of last night -- which I put close to an hour's effort into

-- seems to have been absolutely invisible. I just want to talk, too. This is interesting stuff, and I have opinions, education, experience from almost 50 years on earth (centuries on Mars before that)... and a couple-hundred prog CDs!

Tough crowd to break into around here these days -- leave for a measly year, and no one knows you anymore!

Maybe it's my LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG posts....

Me use less words (and small ones) now, OK? Ug!

I'm sorry, what? I wasn't paying attention. Big smile

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Posted: April 29 2010 at 22:05

Dalezilla wrote:

So I went to the store to buy a pair of jeans and this thread has three more pages when I get back. LOL

It's still not as volatile as the health care thread was.

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Posted: April 29 2010 at 22:08

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I wonder what effect music has on gang culture and crime. I know little about rap, but I have to wonder if this music not only celebrates violence and disrespect for women and family, but also promotes such behaviour by making it seem normal and even cool.

I know it is not cool to suggest art be faulted for crime, but sometimes, watching kids ingest this stuff and some of the messages, I have to wonder if there isn't *some* factor to desensitizing vulnerable kids to poor behaviour.

The music portrays and reinforces the culture.

Young urban males have an honor system (it differs from ours, but it's there). To show weakness of any kind brings shame upon you. "Thug life" requires you to be hard all the time. It's pathetic really, because I got to see what my students were like plenty of times. They were mostly Pop-Tarts (that is what they called you if you put on a hard exterior but showed weakness later LOL

).

I would ask what correlation there is between divorce / separation / loser fathers and crime.

I'm not making excuses- just thinking. As a teacher during parent-teacher nights, I saw about three times as many moms as I did dads, and most of these women came into my classroom scared to death of what I might have to say (and oh the joy in my heart when I got to say, "Your son is a brave and diligent young man- other students here should be more like him"). Sometimes, I didn't see moms or dads- just a tired grandma or an uncle who couldn't speak English.

I wholeheartedly believe children benefit most from having a mother and a father raise them with honor and discipline. We can't rely on the self-esteem factories that are our public schools. We can't rely on churches to instill morality once a week in 45-minutes. We can't rely on the state to legislate behavior.

Men need to be men and raise their children with dignity, honor, discipline, respect for others (especially women), and teach them that yes, there are things worth fighting for, but most of what you see being fought for outside isn't it.

Amen. I've no doubt that some of these kids *could* easily be different people if they simply had a strong male authority figure to spend time with them, take them places, teach them things. Some Moms make heroic efforts to raise their kids and work, but a strong father figure missing is a problem.

Yes -- a mom can't teach her son how to be a man -- that is the father's role.

Boys learn about manhood from men -- if there's no dad, then there's the drug dealer on the corner, the misogynist "gangsta" rapper, or the macho, gun-toting stereotype on TV.

If "dad' abandoned mom as soon as her belly swelled, then she's not likely to speak well of him, or even of men in general....

Nature knew what she was doing when she decided that it took the two sexes joining together to make babies.

And yes, i know there are exceptional single moms, lesbian moms, etc -- but all else being equal, I believe kids, especially boys, benefit best from two caring parents, male & female. That's just how the human race works. We need to work together, and bring our gender-specific strengths and qualities to the equation of making new, balanced humans, with each sex respecting, valuing and learning from the other.

Edited by Peter - April 29 2010 at 22:11

"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.

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Posted: April 29 2010 at 23:11

Wow this thing changed. From are cops okay to a reflection different countries social attitudes and makeups to single parents and absent fathers. I suppose they are related. I even saw Finnforest mention Amber (thanks).

I don't know any of the real answers nor claim to. Maybe in the US our urban areas are too jungle like and the people that seem to be forced to live there. People become predators and victims way to easy in that environment. Maybe we have too much divergence of cultures forced to share the same space. Maybe guns are bad but only bad people seem to get them. Maybe we need to legalize pot and change the war on drugs to we can take the teeth out of the mobsters wallet. Maybe we need to put real felons who hurt people in jail and keep them there and the ones that don't try to help not the other way around. Maybe money spent in the justice system needs to be non politicized and special interests need to be eliminated so real Justice can see the light of day.

There are a lot things that may work but probably sadly never see the light of day. Could we at least try them and see?

BTW Slarty are your wrists chaffed? How are you man? Wink

Edited by Garion81 - April 29 2010 at 23:12

"What are you going to do when that damn thing rusts?"

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Posted: April 30 2010 at 06:20

Just so you know, Peter, I read all your post and it was a great read. Especially the "Thanks mom" part.

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Posted: April 30 2010 at 07:31

Peter wrote:

Atavachron wrote:

Dean wrote:

Why is it so drastically different in Canada?

Good question, and I don't know. But I would wager Canadian culture and guns are old acquaintances, the difference is that they don't seem to shoot each other as much. Maybe they were affected by different things, a more gradual and less violent process of autonomy from Anglo/European countries, less of an emphasis on industry, who knows.

I think that the basic historical and cultural difference is the different way the two countries were founded and constituted.

The US has always had a much greater focus on individual rights and freedoms, and at its inception fought to leave British control., whereas Canada has always (and still) focuses on collective rights and freedoms, and we never fought to be independent. the Us constitution, though borrowing heavily from Britain's effectively says "We are not Britain, and never will be again, if we can help it." Ours borrows even more heavily from Britain's, and basically says "let's never forget our ties to dear old Mom Britania We're grown up now, but call us if you need us, and visit any time. We look up to you, and we love you -- thanks mom."

So, once again, we can blame the French

Interesting note that gun-control in the UK only really started at the end of the Napoleonic wars when thousands of British citizens returned home armed to the teeth, while that law didn't prevent people form owning guns, it did make it an offence to carry one with felonious intent (mainly poaching). Throughout the history of the UK, the main reason that the common man wanted a weapon for was to feed his family and the purpose of any form of control was to safe-guard the Landed Gentry's deer, grouse, pheasant, rabbit etc. Aside from Northern Ireland, we're not a nation that wants a gun for self-defence and that as a justification has been "illegal" since 1937.

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The US won't dictate helmet/seatblet laws in many states -- we do. We effectively say "we're not all going to pay the hospital bill for your stupidity -- put on a helmet!" Americans say "it is my right to risk my life like this, and i pay for my own healthcare/insurance anyway." (Or, they always did until recently....maybe.)

Look at how divisive an issue universal healthcare is in the US, whereas here it's a given -- a cherished part of our identity. Many Americans look at Canadian gun laws (which they see as very restrictive on individual rights), and the Canadian health care system, and label us as borderline commie/pinko/socialist pantywaists. Socialism, and even "liberal" can be very bad, scary words in the US -- not here.

It's just a fundamentally different outlook at the foundation and fabric of the societies -- the individual vs the group, a revolutionary start vs a peaceful, friendly, gradual distancing from the mother land in Canada. Climate and population density likely also played their roles in the two nations -- it's harder to survive here on your own.

Each system/culturehas its strengths and weaknesses, Each seems fundamentally right or "normal" to its average citizen.

While I understood that the root of the "right to bear arms" lies within the history of the formation of the USA, as an outsider I did puzzle over the need to perpetuate this into the 21st Century, 150+ years after a truely patriotic govenment of the people by the people had been established, any threat of invasion could be handled by a standing army/navy/airforce and internal law enforcement was completely under the control of that government and its duly elected representatives. It is the various posts and threads on Gun Control on this forum over the passed 3 years that have educated and enlightened me on this, and while I can follow the logic of the reasons given, it does not mean I accept them as being something that cannot be changed.

It does seem to me that based on the views of various American posters here, fear is still a major factor in the desire to maintain this right, eventhough the same fears, (and conditions for those fears to arise), are present in every other country in the world.

The situation in the UK was not a step-change, but a gradual process over 300 years of legislation. People have rightly pointed out that you can't ban guns and expect the criminal population to fall in line, but as Alex said, smaller actions can be taken that over time will have an effect. Resisting those changes because they will ultimately lead to a total ban on guns is not a reason in itself - the UK, Canada and Europe have not completely banned guns and you can still legally own one if you so desire. I cannot claim that the UK is a perfect system, we haven't rooted out or fixed any of those problems that lead to violence, we still have crime, drugs, poverty, domestic abuse, racial tension, gangs and murder, we've just made it harder for firearms to be a factor.

What?

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Posted: April 30 2010 at 08:30

Here it is Friday and I still don't know if it's safe to drive my truck around town. The county where I reported it stolen to says I have to contact the county it was towed to. The authorities with that county haven't returned my calls. Angry

I did take an chance and drive it back from the office yesterday. No police cars got behind me on the way to the apartment. Took my wife's car in to work this morning just to be on the safe side. I've had enough excitement for one week. Come to think of it probably enough excitement for the whole year. LOL

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Posted: April 30 2010 at 09:10

Slartibartfast wrote:

Here it is Friday and I still don't know if it's safe to drive my truck around town. The county where I reported it stolen to says I have to contact the county it was towed to. The authorities with that county haven't returned my calls. Angry

Why are you hijacking this thread with your personal problem? Stern Smile

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Posted: April 30 2010 at 09:40

Epignosis wrote:

Why are you hijacking this thread with your personal problem? Stern Smile

I was thinking we should hijack this thread to that damn Genesis I can't get out of my head. LOL

"They done me wrong, it's the same old song..."

This is good:

Teacher's car stolen, tricked out, returned 3 years later

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More than three years after a Brooklyn teacher's car was stolen, she finally got her ride back - totally pimped out.

Amanda Pogany's once-humble white 1996 Honda Accord was returned to her drag-race ready, with a brand-new
V-8 engine, tinted windows, oversized tires with special hubcaps - and custom valve stem caps shaped like bullet casings.

"When I first saw under the hood I thought it looked like, you know in the movie 'Grease?' Like the 'Grease Lightning' car,"
said Pogany, 31, who lives in Prospect Heights.

The eighth-grade teacher was shocked when she picked up her long-lost vehicle in the Red Hook impound lot this month.

The previous "owner" souped up the Accord, putting in a manual transmission and leather interior and hanging
a Dominican flag and a giant wooden cross from the rearview mirror.

I hope she got some cool dingleballs to go with her new ride.

Edited by Slartibartfast - April 30 2010 at 09:55

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Posted: April 30 2010 at 09:57

I also wonder, if you got the means to pimp out a car like that, why a 1996 Honda Accord???

You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.

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Posted: April 30 2010 at 18:26

Slartibartfast wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Why are you hijacking this thread with your personal problem? Stern Smile

I was thinking we should hijack this thread to that damn Genesis I can't get out of my head. LOL

"They done me wrong, it's the same old song..."

This is good:

Teacher's car stolen, tricked out, returned 3 years later

Link

Excerpt:
More than three years after a Brooklyn teacher's car was stolen, she finally got her ride back - totally pimped out.

"When I first saw under the hood I thought it looked like, you know in the movie 'Grease?' Like the 'Grease Lightning' car,"
said Pogany, 31, who lives in Prospect Heights.

The eighth-grade teacher was shocked when she picked up her long-lost vehicle in the Red Hook impound lot this month.

The previous "owner" souped up the Accord, putting in a manual transmission and leather interior and hanging
a Dominican flag and a giant wooden cross from the rearview mirror.

I hope she got some cool dingleballs to go with her new ride.

Ah, whatever happened to fuzzy dice and bongos in the back!

Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.

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Posted: April 30 2010 at 18:31

Honda don't make a V8 vtec engine.

What?

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Posted: April 30 2010 at 20:31

Dean wrote:

Honda don't make a V8 vtec engine.

Something tells me she ain't gonna be too happy about the new gas mileage her Accord gets

Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.

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Posted: April 30 2010 at 20:51

jammun wrote:

Dean wrote:

Honda don't make a V8 vtec engine.

Something tells me she ain't gonna be too happy about the new gas mileage her Accord gets

I can't vouch for the credibility of the New York Daily News and know nothing about Honda engineses.
After Amanda Poganys 96 Honda Accord was stolen three years ago, it was returned drag-race ready.

After Amanda Poganys 96 Honda Accord was stolen three years ago, it was returned drag-race ready.

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Posted: April 30 2010 at 21:12

Slartibartfast wrote:

jammun wrote:

Dean wrote:

Honda don't make a V8 vtec engine.

Something tells me she ain't gonna be too happy about the new gas mileage her Accord gets

I can't vouch for the credibility of the New York Daily News and know nothing about Honda engineses.
After Amanda Poganys 96 Honda Accord was stolen three years ago, it was returned drag-race ready.

That's a sweet looking Accord. I know next to nothing about Honda engines, albeit owning a 2000 Civic that is still running impeccably. My understanding is that they (Hondas) are very malleable in terms of customization, which makes them popular for car thieves. Steal the car, sell the engine, customize to yer hearts content, which apparently includes dropping an 8-cyl in there.

My insurance agent: "You haven't done any customization to your Civic have you?"

Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.

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Posted: April 30 2010 at 21:20

I like how this thread has morphed from a personal anecdote to a gun rights discussion to a "pimp my ride" party. Big smile

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Posted: April 30 2010 at 21:25

Good thing you don't look brown and live in Arizona Slarti..

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Posted: April 30 2010 at 21:44

well at least it's back on topic, kinda

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Posted: April 30 2010 at 23:12

I actually like the way this thread has been careening. LOL

It would be rather boring if it didn't.

Just so you all (y'all) will know I seriously did not make up the incident.

The T wrote:

Good thing you don't look brown and live in Arizona Slarti..

In the Chamblee and Doraville and Decatur area of Georgia we have a diverse population and diverse police forces as well.

Edited by Slartibartfast - April 30 2010 at 23:20

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