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progrockdeepcuts wrote: Number 12? 12?! Seems awfully low ...

Here's the link to the Collabs Best of 2014 list: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=101166 

My own had Ut Gret at #1, and two albums in my own top 10 made the general list (not too bad, all things considered).

Sean Trane wrote: I agree... This place was wild, exciting and also dangerous, partly due to the first generation Admin's laissez-faire attitude .

yeah... but there was always Reed Lover/Tony R An exception to the rule.

Funny thing is today's admins are just as much so... god we could have some fun today Hugues. Who could stop us from stampeding Neo fans through the forum ...but times have changed. The west isn't as wild, SWilson fans aren't half bad as DT fans were. and we made DT fans extinct and we pity Neo fans more than anything... so where is the fun... and more to the point. 

We either added the controversial artists already.. or forever cast them aside.  We've talked of this before.. that is the biggest thing missing from this forum today. Passion.. passion for the music. We had it as collabs.. the forum had it when they would try to draw and quarter us for additions they didn't agree with. Today I don't think they care.. and I'm not sure if that is a good thing or bad thing. It makes for a peaceful forum.. but underscores the larger real world problem that whatever progressive rock/prog rock scene has fragmented to a bunch of people out for themselves rather than feeling affinity for the music and the bands.

Seems people want it both ways. You miss the good old flame war days but lots of comments that PE is too mean and nasty for lots of PAers. Personally I like a balance.

One thing about Progressive Ears that I will never forget, and think back with fondness to, is, when I joined years ago, there was a poll on what was the best German prog album, not krautrock, just German prog band album in general, and-lo and behold, Triumvirat's album Illusions On A Double Dimple won number one spot.

Edited by presdoug - September 17 2015 at 17:49

Some members of Prog websites are twisted and I can't relate to their logic. They have this abundance of confidence when making a total absurd statement. I don't get it? One time I watched Michael Rutherford on film saying: "I was banned through my entire career from playing guitar". I thought: "Well...maybe you weren't that good"  He played some nice 12 string , but seriously..what is he complaining about? God forbid if you mentioned on P.A. or P.E.  that he was mediocre on guitar. They are so bias it's moronic. Why can't people just be honest and say that he is average? Don't be so bias that you are stupid. He is not Steve Hackett or Jeff Beck. 

To be honest, I've had far less problems with people on PE than I have on this board over the years.  Though, because of all the horror stories about PE I heard over the years, I only joined there back in 2011 or so.  I got on the forums here back in 2005, when things were quite wilder than they are now.  However, people like Sean Trane, Mickey, Dean and a few others made it worthwhile to stay.

As to cliques......well, I spend most of the past 5 or 6 years over on the Flower Kings Appreciation thread here at PA.  Which was basically a handful of people posting regularly with the occasional drive by.  So that seems pretty cliquish to me.  I'd say both boards have that "issue" (I don't see it as a problem personally, and we at the TFK thread were always welcoming and nice to newcomers, so we never tried to exclude anyone).

One thing that never seems to get through to some people that bothers me sometimes......everything everyone posts (that isn't official news of some sort) is OPINION.  Your views on whatever band or style or album is just that, YOUR VIEW.  Music appreciation is almost entirely subjective and I get the feeling a lot of prog fans never quite understand that their view is not shared by most, if not all, other prog fans.  That isn't a problem, it's just how we humans are.  Music isn't something that can be simply labeled good or bad....... at least, outside of pure personal opinion.

P.E is such a two way street that you have one extreme of people who you'd visualize meeting at a redneck bar in Jersey or a Ted Nugent concert to the other extreme of people who are the most fascinating people on earth to discuss music with....and....that's nature's way of saying F-you and all of your prayers for high expectations. Lol! Some people may have a personal dislike for a specific band and they are brutal....yet they are deeply offended if you are negative about someone you feel is overrated. Let's stop being children and come to a truce regarding the understanding of respect. On a personal level...I don't like the music of Bruce Springsteen, but that doesn't mean to me that the E STREET band sucks. As if to say that all the musicians in the E STREET band are awful players and have little talent. Okay....fine....but the conversation never heads in that direction. So I hate conversing with people like that. Captain Beyond was a band I disliked from the first time I heard them. I dislike their music...but...I believe they had Johnny Winter's old drummer, which any drummer working for Winter had to produce progressive playing ...somehow..some way.......and then there was Rod Evans and so there were important people in that band and I have respect for that. I'm not being coy or resistant to a disagreement. I'm giving respect for the individual players in that band, but I dislike their music. It makes perfect sense. As the completely opposing side which travels back to 4th grade middle school..."Well, I dislike it, so I'm going to tare it apart in front of the person that loves it" That's not intelligent and it's more like pouring idiot on your brain. Just be real and it's okay to say...well they are obviously talented....I just don't like their music. Instead of playing a football game when there is no logical reason to tackle anybody.

P.E. is misunderstood really I think, i.e. many people also find PA forum intimidating at first to be honest. Both have grumpies and once you get over it and get to know them and they get to know you, you'll find that the grumpies are the funniest and nicest people on the forum

Kati wrote: P.E. is misunderstood really I think, i.e. many people also find PA forum intimidating at first to be honest. Both have grumpies and once you get over it and get to know them and they get to know you, you'll find that the grumpies are the funniest and nicest people on the forum I never have frequented PE much at all, but the little time I have been on there I loved the fact that I could dish it right back and they found it amusing as I did it find from them too  I have no complaints about them at all, so far my experience as been really positive and great fun too. Big hugs to you all

Finnforest wrote: zravkapt wrote: Finnforest wrote: I don't hang out there.  Do they threads about PA over there sim to this one?  Do they savage us? http://www.progressiveears.org/forum/showthread.php/14116-Any-problems-with-Progarchives?highlight=progarchives Thanks....that produced a few gems  Just to throw out two... "You mean other than it's a Prog noob wasteland replete with nonsensical sub-genres and revisionist pap? Not to mention navel gazing that would make even this site blush?..No none at all." "Steven Wilson doing arm pit farts of ABBA songs would be gushed over as a some stroke of genius."