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Topic: Progressive Ears forum
Posted By: Stann
Subject: Progressive Ears forum
Date Posted: September 05 2015 at 17:47
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Any love? Any here that post there regularly as well? Any accolades? Any bitches? Any differences? It is said the posters there are generally older than at PA. |
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: September 05 2015 at 17:49
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A lot of us post on both sites. I like it, but PA is my first love. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 02:22
I'd say a few of us post there... and maybe less the other way Though I started here, for years I prefered it there (I only continued here for the database building), but I like both There used to be a fair bit of antagonism between the sites (well mostly one way), but this is a thing of the past |
lazland wrote:Posted By: O666
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 04:29
Just like me.
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Posted By: Stann
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 07:38
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Sean, I do not suppose you want to get into it, but still I try: what did that past antagonism mainly center upon? ......... By the way, what has recently happened to all these Camel "Snow Goose" VS "Beatles "Rain"-type posts here? In my opinion they were TRUELY inane forum-killers and 'm glad to see them go. Or have they been moved to a special cubby (that would be a good idea). I am not certain , but I seem to recal that a month or so back at Prog Ears forum, the moderators decided to put a temporary bann on posts along this line (or was it "best of" posts, which are equally space-wasting). That was a very wise and much-needed decision. |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 07:50
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I'm on both a lot and they certainly have a different vibe, I'm probably on PE more ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 12:56
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Never posted on prog Ears though I have checked it out. I spend most of my free time here. How exactly is the 'vibe' different there..? ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 13:00
| I had some rather bad experiences on PE, some of my music opinions didn't go down too well (and everyone is entitled to their opinions) and I was uncomfortable with continuing there so I left. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 13:12
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I started on PE, but the site became less friendly ------------- 
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 14:07
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I just spent about 30 minutes checking it out (I did register btw), ....and I have to say that I like the thread topics and layout better here. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Stann
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 14:46
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Dr. Wu: for one the depth of knowledge is deep at prog Ears. Since it tends to be older posters (compared to PA, that is) , they have lived through it and as they say, the roots..... All music forums have become diluted over the years -I firmly believe the most informative posts were at the beginning years of the web. THAT is when the real heads came onto what was then a clear slate. With a totally open field as it was back then, posters were more serious and less-thinking that they might be saying some info that was previously repeated to death. Nowadays everything HAS been repeated to death (over the web) so the serious people and real collectors tend to shy away. This is a theory, but in my experience of true "heads" flocking away from the fora, this has been proven. Sure, the initial web had examples of disfunctional music fora - for prog, maybe those two usenet .alt forums- but there definitely were better posters back then. Even the best fora have degenerated. Look what has happened ,say, to Soulstrut or Waxidermy. Seems people move on; when the main spokes give in, the wheel distorts. Anyways Prog Ears is still going strong enough. For instance, you want to keep right on the emerging Italian prog sceen, you won't have it better than following The H's posts. This guy really lives that world. |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 15:02
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I tried PE for about a year but found elements of the "old guard" there very exclusionary and, though often very knowledgable, quite imperious and even mean-spirited and intolerant of "outsiders." So I left. I did enjoy following the then-ongoing thread regarding Nektar's remastered re-releases in which all former band members, producers and managers were participating in a rather heated feud. When I left I believe the thread was on its 55th page. Roye was particularly upset. At the quality of the versions released without his participation or approval--something about the awful compression the music had undergone. Anyway, I feel that PE has some brilliant and incredibly knowledgable members (many insiders in the old and new music industry) but they are much more narrow in their scope of topics--and of course, far more narrow in their focus on album and group reviews. Just got tired of always feeling as if members were treating me and my inferior knowledge with impatience, intolerance, and sarcasm. ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Stann
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 15:08
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Hey! You are a fusion fan (as am I). Top thread - just in, on Air Pocket. |
Posted By: Stann
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 15:16
You have the same here, albiet a small handfull. THESE, for my money, are the most interesting and devoted posters. They actually POST beyond the mundane , "Yes, that is a great band and I like it too." Posters that have the Fire is what makes a forum interesting. And informative. You seem to be saying that one has to develope a second skin to post at Prog Ears - I totally disagree with you there: it is a rather tame forum. Very friendly. No worries. |
Posted By: moodyxadi
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 16:05
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Prog ears forums are less diverse but far better in valuable informantion. And thank God with far less prog metal than PA. But PA database is invencible (almost). ------------- Bach, Ma, Bros, Déia, Dante. |
Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 16:21
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It's the enemy. ------------- "Hey there, Dog Man, now I drink from your bowl." |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 16:23
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I've never been there but just checked out the site. It's seems quite minimalist for allegedly being progressive. I registered anyway, as it gives one a place to indulge in interminable Yes v. Genesis debates and ad hominem hyperbole while PA is experiencing administrative downtime.  ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 16:37
Same here---but this site is sooo much better in soooo many ways. I find while they have some members who know a lot about prog---they also have a lot of people who are fan boys who know little about prog and may be friends with certain musicians and use the forum as propaganda.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 17:12
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If Prog Ears is a Svetonio free zone I may just jump ships. ------------- What? |
Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 17:13
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^Nowhere to be found, come join us... ------------- Magma America Great Make Again |
Posted By: Stann
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 17:32
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Dean: yourself and Svet are amongst the best posters here. Whether your at each other's necks or not. |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 17:33
But alas, Dean, as the old bromide goes: Loose lips sink ships. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 17:44
Prolific yes, but best?... not by a long shot. ------------- What? |
Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 18:04
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Also, the PE forum has a limit of 3 embedded YouTube clips per post...so your computer doesn't get slowed down because someone posted three hours worth of vids. ------------- Magma America Great Make Again |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 19:32
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I like PE for the news/current releases/band information side of things. It's usually there I find out about new releases or weather a band broke up or etc. PA's database and reviews section is unrivaled, so I wouldn't be without either of them. But I'd choose PA over PE if you force me too. I like that we can discuss anything here, and I prefer the personalities, though the latter has gotten better over at PE since the move to new site. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 23:40
this is the filet mignon to their hamburger.
 I mean nothing wrong with hamburger---but.......... |
Posted By: Kazza3
Date Posted: September 07 2015 at 03:49
| I prefer PA, but the Cardiacs thread on PE is a thing of beauty. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 07 2015 at 04:36
Yup, don't want to delve much further than just below. let's just say that a few prog-circles economic actors who are regular posters there were particularly pissed off at PA's owners ruthlessness in the DB's building days. ========================= Yup, the PE moderation (only three of them) is certainly stricter in PA: no religion or political talk (for experience, it almost came down to a nuclear war on a few occasions), though they're definitely more laxist in terms of porn or nudity (though you have to know where to find it)
Dedfinitely tougher to survive en PE than on PA, I'll agree
naaaahhhh, you do need a thicker skin than for here... If you're talking BS, you'll get called upon. as said here before, the membership is averaging much older than here... A fait bit of the pillars are around the 55-65 landmark and many lived it from much closer than most here.
and I'm the nasty one, uh??  |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 07 2015 at 05:44
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I've never been a member of PE or spent any time there lurking, while I was an Admin here I chose to keep my distance if only out of diplomacy, (contrary to popular belief, I don't go looking for trouble, it seems to find me all by itself). I've always preferred a more laissez faire style of moderation that relies on the self-discipline of the membership myself, and that seems to work quite well around here (up to a point). I wouldn't want to see PA put too many restrictions on posts and threads here for established members (curtailing the exuberance of noobies and fly-by-night spammers is an unfortunate necessity sometimes). [IMO "Best of" and other similar polls and ladder tournaments should be regarded as harmless and just for fun, along with album rating-charts and other pseudo-competitive games.] Back in the day, when PE was more than a discussion forum, it was a very useful resource when evaluating new bands here, not to plunder their knowledge-base (none of us have a monopoly on freely available biographical and discography data), but more as a sanity check if you like. If the folk at PE regarded a marginal/controversial artist as Prog it added further weight to their inclusion here. The same was true of GEPR, Gagliarchives, Gnosis2000 and ProGGnosis. There may have been some animosity in the past though I've never experienced any direct antagonism. Here we certainly noted with some concern whenever PE's site went down for any reason, which reflects a degree of Prog community brotherhood that exists among all the pro-Prog websites and forums that remarkably still remain active after all these years. How PE regards PA and vice versa has never concerned me, we share too many members for that to ever be an issue. So welcome Stann, I hope you'll join in some of the discussions here, we're not a bad lot.  ------------- What? |
Posted By: Big Ears
Date Posted: September 07 2015 at 05:45
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I post on both PA and PE, but not very often. I departed for the classic rock forums, which tend to be less partisan, but rarely contribute to them these days. I am not afraid to say I loved rock music forums for a while, but have become disillusioned for a variety of reasons. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 07 2015 at 06:49
Yeah, the one thing I regret (and I don't think i'm the only one) is that the passage from PE2.0 to PE3.0 (first version of PE was very basic, apparently) is the loss of the reviews and the poll results (and to make new ones) >> they're still stocked somewhere, but they never got around to "get it up" in the almost-3 years of 3.0 PE. As for the one-way antagonism (now a thing of the past), it was discernible in some threads or PMs (which can be groups, sometimes of up to 25), but since there was no thread archiving on PE2.0 (they died after a few months without posting), there was also much fine information that disappeared into oblivion. Actually I kind of like the smaller (snoggier) PE, because here, it's too big... too many specific forums to check... and unless using tracers (in PE, just posting in X Y or Z does it), finding where you posted in PA is difficult another thing I liked and disliked in PE: the post counts and post limits... in PE2.0, you were limited to 75 posts/week, buit you could suppress old one to keep posting... which kind of ruined the legibility of threads a few days after. but in both version of PE, they never kept visible counts of posts, wghich I find very cool. It avoids a sense of superiority or ancienneté (this was wiped out with the PE3.0 not taking join dates of PE2.0) over others. I was always embarrased by a big number of posts, anyways >> makes it look like I got nothing better to do with my life than hang around forums   ... |
Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: September 07 2015 at 14:29
| Love 'em both!!! |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: September 07 2015 at 16:52
I'll stick with PA, thanks. I've grown to like some of you blokes! 
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 07 2015 at 17:42
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I actually found out about PE about a year before PA, but I did not register as a member until much later - and then ended up deleting my account soon afterwards. This happened another two times, the last just before the PE forum migrated to the current server. As most PE members are based in the US, I know many of them by sight, but have had direct dealings with few of them, and as a whole tend to dislike the cliquish atmosphere. There also a fair amount of sexism there, and the nasty remarks about Italians made by one member (who is a musician) some years ago have discouraged me from joining again. That being said, PE is a good source of information (especially as regards US gigs), and this is why I am a regular lurker there. |
Posted By: Rando
Date Posted: September 07 2015 at 19:05
No love lost! Strange lot there! Maybe my Italian heritage just feels more at home here! ------------- - Music is Life, that's why our hearts have beats - |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 07 2015 at 19:24
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Kind of weird to hear all the poor experiences people have had over there, I generally speaking have no issues with people over there. The demographic is a bit older and there are experts in their particular areas. But I find the dialogue fun, maybe I'm as prickly as they are, I don't know. It's a smaller community and I feel there are several significant industry insiders, particularly on the avant side of things. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 07 2015 at 19:50
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ehh.. perhaps it is a older crowd. It is definitely a more knowledgeable one.. if you want to have fun and learn a little.. come here.. if you want to lurk or be ignored but learn a lot.. go there. I like the cultural diversity here as well as the age differences. You have some here who know as much as anyone there..but you have some that wouldn't know a RPI album if it bit them on the ass. the differences is in the overall vibe. One is warm and friendly with no cliques... the other cold and detached with a definite pecking order and cliques which probably have developed over many years. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: September 07 2015 at 20:01
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Maybe I am wrong but a long thread about how great Yes sounds live now--and how billy is a great addition to the group and nailing Squire's parts---and the group still has it---and so many people agreeing--would never appear on here I don't think----I find this delusional fan boy stuff silly---and I am a fan boy--just not delusional. |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 07 2015 at 20:35
See I don't find that at all, I think its complete bollocks. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 07 2015 at 20:38
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in all fairness. I haven't posted there in many years. Perhaps it has changed.. perhaps it has become warm and friendly place today. It sure wasn't when I bothered to try to join into conversations there. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 08 2015 at 03:06
I do understand totaklly... Indeed, PE is more North am based, and there is somewhat of a real community sense amongst them (and some happen to party together after the shows)... which can appear as a clique, but it's mostly bon enfant, I think. This may be the case in RIO Fest as well, but I geberally don't hang around, because I bring my GF(she hates RIO and related stuff), and she's kind of waiting to get back after the whole days alone.
Yup, I must say that those participânts ca,n bring a whole lot of spices to a conversation.
Ian, I understand where Micky's coming from ... It can be for some somewhat more difficult to get accepted there: I aven't experienced it myself, but the athmosphere is a bit intimadating there when you go there. Though I joined there at the same time as here, I waited some six to nine months before posting in PA, and waited double that (minimum) before posting there. However, I kind of stopped posting here for a few years, wheras I've never stopped there |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 08 2015 at 06:11
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Fair enough, I deal with arrogant arseholes at work all day so probably have built a high tolerance online, someone has to be really trolly to trigger me. I find most on PE fun, knowledgeable and mildly acerbic. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 08 2015 at 06:31
Ian, don't forget that you've been a member for a long time, and know many of the PE members personally. For a new member, the atmosphere can feel quite daunting, and sensitive people like myself are quite likely to be put off. Most of us have to deal with arrogant a**holes in real life, and some want a break from that kind of environment in their free time. |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: September 08 2015 at 08:45
| I've been on PE for a year and I hear where Micky is coming from. Vibe is different here. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: September 08 2015 at 10:06
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Just curious...are those here using the same screen names at PE because I didn't see any of you listed there. Again looking over their site I like the layout and board topics better here. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 08 2015 at 10:58
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I'm using the same screen name on both ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: September 08 2015 at 22:48
Hello Stan, Everyone that I met on progressive ears forum is very nice. They have a great sense of humor too :) I only commented on a few posts there, although I've been a member for a while. Every member on there, I came across seems to be very nice. hugs to you! |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: September 08 2015 at 23:48
I am on there dr wu23,  Not been there for a long while but I think they are very friendly and nice on there. My opinion here is valid as as much others considering that they disliked the artwork the second last album cover I made they comment while not knowing the artist was me reading their comments, this said I still like them a lot, they are very funny plus have a great sense of humor and I like that.  big hug to you
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: September 08 2015 at 23:51
Here you go http://www.progressiveears.org/forum/showthread.php/11151-What-s-Going-On-On-This-Cover/page3" rel="nofollow - http://www.progressiveears.org/forum/showthread.php/11151-What-s-Going-On-On-This-Cover/page3 |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 09 2015 at 03:56
Just take the first name out, and you'll find my posts... I edited it, because there were three Sean on the site when I joined (including two admins), and I received financial pledges in my PM box... Hilarious thing that it was the third Sean (McFee from ProgQuebec) that had sent one of those PMs... one of my better amusement
... and embarrassement, since I kind of usurp the first name
Hey Kati, I (and Ian, I think) have noticed you posting, but only on one thread (and a recent one at that, about creative class). What thread did this criticism take place in (not that I will intervene)
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: September 09 2015 at 04:11
Hello Sean Trane I don't think it's personal criticism and everything they said has a valid point to be honest hahahaha I honestly did not take it personal, I gave this as an example to make others understand why my opinion is valid when it comes to PE They did not know I made that artwork and even so they were not really nasty, not even slightly also they did not expect the artist to read that too hahahaha besides this, my experience there is that everyone is so nice and they are very funny too. I like all the people on there so far here is the "artwork" link so you can read what I meant, however even this link is very positive at the end lol Here you go http://www.progressiveears.org/forum/showthread.php/11151-What-s-Going-On-On-This-Cover/page3" rel="nofollow - Sean Trane :) |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 09 2015 at 04:31
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Tanks Kati/Sonia |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: September 09 2015 at 04:33
hahahaha!! back at ya
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: September 09 2015 at 10:17
Thanks for the thread link to PE,.....enjoyed reading that thread and I did not know you painted that Corvus Stone cover. Have you done others and art work in general? ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: O666
Date Posted: September 09 2015 at 11:54
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3 or 4 years earlier I wrote my last post in PE. I discuss with Nad Sylvan on PE about copy or clone GENESIS. I found Nad very gentle and nice person. We discussed hard and after that he invite me for a Concert but Unfortunately I missed this Concert easily because of my job and.... Honestly I LOVE PA more and I can't post and discuss in other music forums easily. My younger brother died in 2009 and after few weeks I found PA and PA helped me to back to normal life. I can't explain my meaning well because of my bad English and maybe its make misunderstanding. I guess, I will reach to 1000 posts in PA forums tonight and this is very important for me.
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: September 09 2015 at 12:14
 ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: September 09 2015 at 12:16
You have explained your meaning perfectly well, and it is nice that the site helped you,after your loss ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: O666
Date Posted: September 09 2015 at 12:25
| ^ Thanks. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: September 09 2015 at 13:13
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Hi, Be it good or bad, is not what PE or PA should really be about. There is a concern, that I have, that I believe hurts the development of the vibe/theme/music that we love so much ... and that is the definition and a lot of its discussions are very sad, and sometimes weak, and the review/history/information section of each band at PA, is also very bad, and incomplete, and it is giving places like Wikimystick more credit than it deserves to have ... but at least it is a better "focused" database, whereas the PA design is STRICT database, and there is no focus or design to attempt to co-ordinate things so that the HISTORY, DESIGN and proliferation of the GENRE (in general as in Progressive) music is MORE VISIBLE. I think the Admin base at PA, thinks that the large number of folks hitting the website is enough to show they are a valid point of information ... what I find sad, is that more can be found at Wiki, about a band, than at PA, even with the reviews and interviews -- whose/which information and notes are grossly ignored in the blurbs about a band! The organization of information is weak and sometimes senseless. My wish? That the information have better co-ordination, so you could immediately learn about a band, and its music is showing as more important, than a poor review on one album, that hurts the over all idea of presentation, of the content. I like the honesty and the variation, but a review that is not discussing the music and the art, would not be helping define the band and its work. But this is an insane request, and probably too big an endeavor ... if PA is becoming just an aimless database ... with lots of folks in its forums ... then it is even more scary that the content itself, will be left behind, and eventually buried and not used. As Dean said a while back ... "it's just pop music" ... And I think this is the saddest thing and comment ever on the ability and desire to create a new form, or a new expression, in any art! At that moment I felt empty ... no one can create art anymore! No expression means anything at all! Extending that thought, then, what is the point of this board? I don't think that we live that kind of empty lives at all! PA and Prog included! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: September 09 2015 at 13:51
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All I need to know is which site has more conversations about Rock In Opposition and Avant Garde Metal.
------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 09 2015 at 14:43
PE for the RIO, by a country mile. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: September 09 2015 at 15:29
It depends on the mixture of people. On Prog Ears a.. third post reply might be a person into 20th Century Avant-Garde and the 4th could easily be a Grand Funk Railroad fan. I don't want to hear about this extremist crap, I am a member of both sites, (unfortunately), and I speak the truth. When I first joined this site...I wanted to physically slam the butthead who kept replying to me , endlessly telling me that King Crimson were not a good band. How intelligent is it to say they are not good? Say that you don't like them, but don't ask for a lollypop one minute and the next minute attack with some moronic statement like that. I don't even listen to K.C. and I'm not that fond of them...but I don't say that they suck. You get a person like that on a site like this and then you have a bunch of Univers Zero and K.C. fans reading the ignorant post from a degenerate and they just laugh. I mean ...just because they listen to interesting music like RIO doesn't mean they are going to defend you or jump in anytime. It's like Daniel Denis standing next to Gene Simmons in church. It's a joke and that is why sometime this site is a joke...really! There are people on this site that I thank the universe for never having to meet. Like those snooty Prog morons at the "War Memorial" in Trenton, N.J...where Nektar played about ten years ago. Just because you play some complex Prog piece on an instrument, doesn't make you the most diverse musician on earth...do you know what I mean? Some people on P.A. are so ignorant that they actually think just because A MUSICIAN plays in a Blues band or a Rock band...that they could never play note for note ..an ELP or Genesis piece. To me..that is moronic and a bit over the top. ...and these people don't even know how to play an instrument. Now...that is what I dislike about both sites.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 09 2015 at 15:43
*sigh* Whatever. If you continue to misquote me out of context then I'll promise not to give a flying fart what you think. ------------- What? |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: September 09 2015 at 15:51
If someone says Triumvirat is a second rate band, I never take it personally, even if it is the opposite of what I feel. But if they rammed that down my throat in an extreme and repetitive way, now that would irk me. And also, Johnny, I see your point about how some don't really understand what being a musician really entails. There are misconceptions all over the place, like the ones you have touched on.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 09 2015 at 17:26
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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: September 09 2015 at 21:24
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Just wanted to add-- PE is not strictly a prog site ---they discuss the NFL--and there is a thread now involving a feud with Paul Stanley (of Kiss?) and Dee Snider (Twisted Sister?)or some such nonsense And other things that have little to do with prog.
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Posted By: Stann
Date Posted: September 09 2015 at 21:46
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What would you say is the THIRD largest prog discussion venue? Everything else - like, say, Melo's Prog Bazaar, is dinky or stupid. The EM group? |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: September 09 2015 at 21:50
Hello Dr Wu, It was a pleasure really, I am glad you enjoyed that thread. Yes, I made all 3 album covers for Corvus Stone in cd booklet and digipack artwork. The band liked a track cover I made for them for their first single prior to album release and asked me to make an album cover for them, since then I have been doing all their artwork inc. animated cartoons for their videos. It's great fun because they give me full freedom to be creative. Here below are other band's album covers inc. cd booklet and digipack artwork I have done: Progeland - Gate To Fulfilled Fantasies http://melodicrevolutionrecords.com/album/gate-to-fulfilled-fantasies" rel="nofollow - - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=8487 Plus a cover for the single release from the same album for a track called 6000 Friends, which features a duet with Lorelei McBroom from Pink Floyd. http://melodicrevolutionrecords.com/track/6000-friends" rel="nofollow - - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyHfNjTIxtQ Corvus Stone Unscrewed promo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfDaog_UVig" rel="nofollow - - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKVyrB-USAM Scandinavians in Mexico by Corvus Stone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKnyx1xPwmM" rel="nofollow - |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: September 09 2015 at 22:00
Awww 0666, I am sad to hear about your loss and also glad to know that you found PA a great place to escape and helps you in a sense to ease a little bit in dealing with your pain. Music is one of the most wonderful things life has to offer and sharing the love we have for it makes it even better. Your English is good and you are a very nice and sweet person too. Huge hug to you, 0666
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: September 09 2015 at 22:05
Tell me about it.
As for PE, checked it out a few times. Didn't like the feel or atmosphere of the forums, never registered. |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: September 10 2015 at 00:45
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 10 2015 at 02:41
I just did, didn't I??  Whollllyyyy shiiiiite... 65000 post in less than 7 years... Are you Ricochet and James combined in one body?? |
Posted By: Warthur
Date Posted: September 10 2015 at 04:46
| Been a while since I looked at it. Has the site had a redesign? I remember being put off getting involved by the old format, but the layout seems much nicer now so I might give it a go. |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 10 2015 at 05:46
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They had to replatform as the previous version was crashing too often. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 10 2015 at 06:39
the previous version was very specific and totally self-designed (based on 2011 technology/software) and had features that were totally original (never saw those elsewhere). This meant that the updates had to be specifically made for the site By 2010, many problems occured, and it was starting to crash and got attacked. It was time to change (it did in Nov 12), but the platform chosen was a standard model and many of the improvements promised (frame artwork, reviews space, polls space) never materialized (well it's only been almost three years so far). This mostly rests on the hands and shoulders of one man (two in the previous version), and he's got many things to deal with in real life |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 10 2015 at 06:41
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I actually like the new PE site much better than the previous one, as it is much easier to find threads now that there are more subsections. The redesign seems to have put off some members, though, as the current membership is considerably smaller. |
Posted By: Stann
Date Posted: September 10 2015 at 07:28
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How is membership keeping-up HERE? I surmise it is on the wane at most music discussion forums. Nothing to do with layout. Regards layout, one thing I do not like here: 1/what are they called? Signatures? (Where - in addition to your own avatar (logo) you end every post with the same picture or quote.) Moderators should KILL people doing this. It makes the place look a total mess. It is confusing the cat.(Remember that skit?) |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 10 2015 at 07:31
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You don't like my wobbly goats? ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Stann
Date Posted: September 10 2015 at 07:44
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No. Shove that elsewhere please. And I do not relish tv commercials out to brainwash by continual mindless repetition - like that particular obnoxious milk commercial with the cheerleaders |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 10 2015 at 08:11
Thank you for your input which I will happily ignore. Have a nice day. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: September 10 2015 at 08:16
Your wobbly goats bring joy to my face and I love your music taste. Hating those goats is a waste and I would squirt this individual with turkey baste. ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: September 10 2015 at 08:19
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I, too, am a big fan of your wobbly -------------  
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 10 2015 at 08:28
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So am I! Long live the wobbly goats! |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: September 10 2015 at 11:04
You're the one that didn't believe that rock music could be elevated from its pop music perch! And you darn well know how much I care for all of this music ... and desire to see it better handled and taken care of, but this is a generation that doesn't care ... and I don't have to play Jimi in front of trash to show you!
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Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: September 10 2015 at 11:14
| I really don't understand your expectations Pedro. The music was written to be listening to it... people are listening to it. You seem to have this grandiose idea that there is some special caretaker role that other people are obligated to fulfill because the music is important to you but I don't see why? Music, like any art or entertainment (and music can be either), is ultimately valid only because of the reaction of those who hear it. If its popular ebbs and wanes over time, what of it? It is ultimately the personal reaction to music that provides it value. And since it's a personal thing, no particular type of music is more worthy or less worthy (despite what fans of any genre will tell you). |
Posted By: O666
Date Posted: September 10 2015 at 11:44
Thanks a lot Kati. I always fallow your posts and I found you very kind and sweet Lady. In these years I tried to be polite and patient . I learn more and more in PA . You know, maybe we discuss hard or fight for our opinions in PA but all of these things are about music and Art. Thanks and I appreciated . And this is my number 1000 post in PA!!
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Posted By: sublime220
Date Posted: September 10 2015 at 11:47
------------- There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark... |
Posted By: PESean
Date Posted: September 10 2015 at 17:10
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Hey all! Sean from PE here. I was searching for some old stuff about PE on Google today and ran across this fresh stuff so I thought I would sign up for the first time and say “Hi”! I want to thank any and all of you that take the time to frequent PE. I have always felt it was a good prog two-fer with PA and I am glad many of you agree. And for those of you that don’t, I can totally understand and I wish you the best regardless! It amazes me that PE & PA continue to endure these days despite the likes of other social networks like FB, Twitter, etc. It shows that people still need places to go deep with subjects rather than spit out short little bits like you do on those sorts of sites. Glad we can still be a part of your lives some 15+ years on even in this social network dominated world. -Sean/Founder |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 10 2015 at 17:50
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Hi Sean! I promise I'll be home soon. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: progrockdeepcuts
Date Posted: September 10 2015 at 17:57
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I like both. PE has Nog, Chalkpie, Scrotum Scissor, and Steve F, to name a few. PA has the Berrys. I hang out at both. It's the people that make the forum. Some are on both (like Nog and HT). I probably spend more time on PE, but that's because the discussions tend to be more in the avant / canterbury realm. PS- there's a PA thread on there, too. ------------- Listen to older shows here: mixcloud.com/progrockdeepcuts/ |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 10 2015 at 17:57
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^^ ahem.. not before General Ian leads UZ to victory.. I can't fight the Genesis industrial-military complex all by myself damnit. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: progrockdeepcuts
Date Posted: September 10 2015 at 18:01
Am I needed? ------------- Listen to older shows here: mixcloud.com/progrockdeepcuts/ |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 10 2015 at 18:02
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we are ALL needed... even some of those PE avant fans... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 10 2015 at 18:07
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If you haven't voted for UZ yet do so immediately. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 10 2015 at 18:07
I was pondering for the last two or three days whether it was useful to give a link to that thread at all Not that it was a secret... it was in the main lounge |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 10 2015 at 18:10
well.. that was .. inspiring ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 10 2015 at 18:18
I saw it, and read all the posts. There were a couple of nasty remarks, but on the whole the tone was reasonably nice. On a personal level, I am too sensitive to feel comfortable there, even though I know quite a few of the people who post there. I'm happier here, and then I have other outlets, such as my blog. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 10 2015 at 18:26
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^ well.. I"m sure this forum has earned at least some of its nasty remarks. just think... 31.. 31 votes. I'm sure they are over there laughing right now. or even f**king Camel beating ELP.. not once ..but TWICE. Would that have happened at PE's.. hah... nor any other site. This site is a roach motel for lovers of limp dick prog ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: ProgBob
Date Posted: September 11 2015 at 03:57
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To be honest, these days I tend to favour PE, the bottom line being that there are more interesting threads over there. Somehow the discussions there lead me to discover more new music (i.e. new to me) that is to my taste than I ever did when spending more time here. It also seems much less anal in terms of not having loads of categorised sub-forums and also not being too uptight about whether a band under discussion is strictly 'prog' as opposed being a band who might generally appeal to fans of progressive music (e.g. off the top of my head, there was quite a bit of enthusiasm about Field Music in a thread recently). Something that speaks volumes to me is that there has been a decent thread at PE on the current King Crimson tour in the UK and that is in a forum which is supposedly more North American orientated than this one. I mean - King Crimson, for crying out loud - touring the UK for the first time since 1982 and playing a good amount of classic 70s material. Unless I am missing something obvious there is barely a mention here! ------------- Bob |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: September 11 2015 at 07:14
Well...some of it is surely a reaction to how a new generation of people perceive music. Like giving guitar instruction to 10 students who worship Linkin Park ...but are persistent in learning how to play like Jimi Hendrix. That's so moronic of a majority of people in today's world, I can't begin to tell you.....and especially in the U.S. Jimi Hendrix! wow! the only important person from the 60's right? Okay! People like this post on P.A. and P.E. and are lost in the woods...yet have an air of confidence. Shame on them! Lol! They haven't a clue...yet they don't want to learn.. |