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Slaughternalia
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Topic: Progressive rock: a man's genre? Posted: May 15 2011 at 12:14 |
Alright, I realize that there are certainly female proggers, but compared to other genres, the fan base it overwhelmingly male oriented. Don't deny it. I have met tons of prog rock fans, and not a single one has been female. Without sounding sexist, why do you think this is?
Personally, I think it has to do with the female mind often finding more of an emotional connection with more personal, nice sounding music. When I asked my mother why she hates Genesis so much, she said it sounded dissonant and made her feel anxious.
Sorry if that sounds sexist, because I'm really not at all. What are your thoughts?
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Posted: May 15 2011 at 12:16 |
I actually have met more females who like the stuff I listen to than males (excluding online) so I don't really think that it's a "man's genre" specifically.
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Posted: May 15 2011 at 12:41 |
It's because men have more spare time. Women have to tire themselves with housework instead of relaxing in front of the stereo.
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Posted: May 15 2011 at 12:42 |
My mother (like my father when he was alive, by he was very vocal in his disdain for rock and pop music) only listens to classical music by choice (she does quite like some jazz too). I played her some Art Zoyd from Generations Sans Futur whilst she was in my car, and she said it was far too dissonant for her. That said, she did enjoy a fair amount of U Totem's debut (I avoided some parts) and she did like Aranis.
My wife has said that the music I listen to goes on too long, is dull, and often sounds like soundtrack music, which would be fine if it was background music ina film, but not to listen to. I do like pop music that she likes, such as Abba (it's her favourite band, but I still know Abba better than her). The only ones I can think of that she has liked in PA that I've played for her are Mellow Candle, Supertramp, and Alan Parsons Project (plus various songs by various artists such as as some PFM).
A complaint I've heard from various females is that the music I listen to is weird and not melodic. I get the same weird complaint about music from males, but they don't complain about it not being melodic. I don't know anyone in real life who shares my Prog Archives-type tastes in music (some of it, sure, like King Crimson, but not the more avant-oriented music).
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Posted: May 15 2011 at 12:46 |
And yeah, most girls I know just spend their time doing other things although they still enjoy the music.
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Posted: May 15 2011 at 12:47 |
Well, considering out of all my friends, family, acquaintances, and such, online or otherwise, I don't know a single human being who even so much as knows of prog rock's existence except for myself and my girlfriend, and she only knows because I told her about it, it's a difficult question to answer. I mean, folks around here sometimes like the big names (KC, Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd), and my friends tend to enjoy popular prog metal (Dream Theater, Fates Warning, Queensryche, etc.), but neither group does so because of the prog status. Mostly if a friend likes a prog metal band, he does so because I introduced it to him. I honestly hate the music tastes of all my friends. It's not that I think mine is better, but mine is certainly more diverse.
I definitely think that prog rock (and artsy fartsy music in general) is more related toward the male mentality. Sure, prog/art rock had a few very notable females, like Annie Haslan or Kate Bush, but take the leading forces behind the genre: Fripp, the entire bands of Pink Floyd, Yes, Genesis, Rush, Jethro Tull, VDGG, Gentle Giant, Camel, etc. etc. They were male-fronted, male-written songs and bands. In 1971 most guys had a choice between Aqualung and Carole King's Tapestry. Which do you think most adolescent males would rather listen to? Locomotive Breath or So Far Away?
Music and the arts in general are very much male-oriented. What are most female writers noted for? Vampire love stories or well-to-do british women looking for a husband. Anne Rice blah blah blah. Where's the female 1984, the female Brave New World? It's not that women are less artistic (but in my experience, most women seem more interested in painting/photography than any other art, but that's nothing more than an assessment of my locale, not a generalization), it's not that women are less artistic. They just spent so long being dominated by men in nearly every way that they didn't have a chance to grow into it. So really, if women would rather hear Justin Bieber over Jethro Tull, it's men's fault for being so damn vile. That, and most girls don't care about space operas and WWII battles and such. I don't either, but hey!
My point is that of course prog is man-oriented and male-dominated. Now that I've said that, let me go ahead and say that starting from the 1930's and up, from Billie Holiday to Joan Baez and Carole King and Kate Bush and Cocteau Twins and Joni Mitchell and Janis Joplin and all that, some women have made some flabbergastingly brilliant music to my ears.
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Posted: May 15 2011 at 12:48 |
silverpot wrote:
It's because men have more spare time. Women have to tire themselves with housework instead of relaxing in front of the stereo. 
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Are you saying working a full time job and helping raise a kid gives more free time than housework? 
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Posted: May 15 2011 at 12:50 |
Come on, Yes and Genesis are girly as it is.
Also, I know more Pink Floyd fans who are girls than guys.
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Posted: May 15 2011 at 12:52 |
I think this sits best in the general music discussions, as it has already covered a variety of styles and artists.
Unlike previous attempts at this topic, lets see if we can keep it devoid of sexist remarks and jokes.
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Posted: May 15 2011 at 13:00 |
Easy Livin wrote:
I think this sits best in the general music discussions, as it has already covered a variety of styles and artists.
Unlike previous attempts at this topic, lets see if we can keep it devoid of sexist remarks and jokes.
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That takes the fun out of it. Can't we find a logical solution? What's the point of debating factual evidence? Either more guys like prog than girls or more girls like prog than guys. Why? Well, it's a trillion reasons. We can speculate all we want, but until we find out through cold, hard, psychological study and fact, this will end up being dick joke central.
Which brings me to my thesis statement: What did the penis say to the mailman? Hey, pal, how can you get aHEAD around here?
Get it? He's living in a residential area where he can send and receive postage! Har har!
So yes, why do more men like Genesis than women? Why do more men prefer 1984 over Interview with a Vampire? Who is a better writer, Anne Rice or George Orwell? Who the better songwriter, Tom Waits or Carole King? It's an opinion, there. It'll be sociological, genetic, psychological, circumstantial, emotional, and a big chain. Its a big chain, it's a grim and whip dim ganglyroo. Vim and bandersnatch for you, yon vorpal sword with golden hue, can cut with wring wrought snapping, true, and slice the bandersnatch in two. Hello my honey, hell my darlin', hello my ragtime gal!
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Posted: May 15 2011 at 13:05 |
I think genre is a progressive rock fan issue...
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Posted: May 15 2011 at 13:06 |
I think it has to do with the manly subjects of the songs, like shining flying purple wolfhounds and stuff.
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Slaughternalia
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Posted: May 15 2011 at 13:10 |
Alitare wrote:
Easy Livin wrote:
I think this sits best in the general music discussions, as it has already covered a variety of styles and artists.
Unlike previous attempts at this topic, lets see if we can keep it devoid of sexist remarks and jokes.
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That takes the fun out of it. Can't we find a logical solution? What's the point of debating factual evidence? Either more guys like prog than girls or more girls like prog than guys. Why? Well, it's a trillion reasons. We can speculate all we want, but until we find out through cold, hard, psychological study and fact, this will end up being dick joke central.
Which brings me to my thesis statement: What did the penis say to the mailman? Hey, pal, how can you get aHEAD around here?
Get it? He's living in a residential area where he can send and receive postage! Har har!
So yes, why do more men like Genesis than women? Why do more men prefer 1984 over Interview with a Vampire? Who is a better writer, Anne Rice or George Orwell? Who the better songwriter, Tom Waits or Carole King? It's an opinion, there. It'll be sociological, genetic, psychological, circumstantial, emotional, and a big chain. Its a big chain, it's a grim and whip dim ganglyroo. Vim and bandersnatch for you, yon vorpal sword with golden hue, can cut with wring wrought snapping, true, and slice the bandersnatch in two. Hello my honey, hell my darlin', hello my ragtime gal! |
Nobody's expecting a definitive answer with universal agreement to come out of a thread like this. I was just hoping for some interesting opinions.
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Posted: May 15 2011 at 13:11 |
Well, one thing I have to say. I find it very strange that there aren't many women in this site. I think that it's a man's genre. Someday I hope meeting a girl who will listen to prog rock (and extreme prog metal ). It's difficult in Greece.
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Slaughternalia
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Posted: May 15 2011 at 13:16 |
Valentino wrote:
Come on, Yes and Genesis are girly as it is.
Also, I know more Pink Floyd fans who are girls than guys.
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Women tend to like Pink Floyd far more than other prog rock for some reason. I've always felt that Floyd doesn't fit in perfectly with the whole "prog rock" thing. Their music has pretty simple structure, and is driven mainly by emotion
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Posted: May 15 2011 at 13:17 |
I think that it has often been a man's genre, but also that many women are becoming aware of it and appreciating it more. I did put on "Foxtrot" so that my sisters and mom could hear it, so that they would at least know there was a Genesis before "Invisible Touch."
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Posted: May 15 2011 at 13:23 |
'Prog toilet syndrome'. I sometimes wish I was female when I'm at a concert and bursting for a pee  Prog rock is geeky and there are lot more male geeks than female geeks.I bet its the same with other geeky things such as sci-fi and ermm.. trainspotting
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Posted: May 15 2011 at 14:57 |
Prog doesn't have enough "romance" in it for most woman. I think the time signature shifts are a dischord for them and the "long winded noodling" is a turn off. I've never meet a woman who likes prog.
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Posted: May 15 2011 at 15:39 |
God damn it, did you really need to start this thread again? Really?
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Slaughternalia
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Posted: May 15 2011 at 15:42 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
God damn it, did you really need to start this thread again? Really?
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Hey, not all of us have been here since 2008
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