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Jake Kobrin
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 20 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1303 |
Topic: Tech/Extreme Related Artists? Posted: May 09 2009 at 04:13 |
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Hi,
Why are there several arguably progressive (or that have at least released one fully progressive albums in their discography) Tech/Extreme Metal acts that have been rejected from Prog-Related but yet rock bands with similar situations are accepted all the time. Some suggestions for Prog-Related would be: Emperor - The prog album being Anthems for Welkin at Dusk Strapping Young Lad - Alien Gorguts - Obscura (one of the most complex and technical albums of all time... I truly don't understand how this isn't in PA already) There are plenty of others but those three profoundly stick out. What are your thoughts? Jake |
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Visitor13
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Posted: May 09 2009 at 04:17 | |||||||||||||||||||
This is a perfect example why PA should be album-based instead of artist-based. As far as I understand Gorguts have not been included because the rest of their material is quite conventional death metal. |
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lucas
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 06 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 8138 |
Posted: May 09 2009 at 04:53 | |||||||||||||||||||
Indeed, it should follow the same pattern as other major prog sites such as Babyblaue on which only Death albums as of Human were included and Ground and sky on which for example Joni Mitchell's album The hissing of summer lawns is featured.
Why Death is on this site and not Gorguts is something difficult to understand as both have non-prog and prog-related albums in their discography.
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: May 09 2009 at 05:42 | |||||||||||||||||||
AFAIK PA already is album based instead of artist based. IIRC, the rules are if a band has one progressive album, they can get in on the site. |
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Alitare
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Posted: May 09 2009 at 05:55 | |||||||||||||||||||
Now, if only we can objectively pin down what "progressive" is.
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Visitor13
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Posted: May 09 2009 at 05:56 | |||||||||||||||||||
Then it's probably time to add Gorguts to the reevaluation list. |
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: May 09 2009 at 06:06 | |||||||||||||||||||
Gorguts actually only needs one more yes vote to be put on the cleared list.
4 yes votes, 4 no votes and one undecided. The band was put on the rejected list before Plankowner or I even joined the PMT anyway, so we never had the chance to vote on it the first time around. Given how close the band are to being a yes, I'm going to get some of their albums to make my decision. Hopefully my man Planky is going to lend his vote too. I can't guarantee a vote soon, because our cleared list is still quite big. Hopefully in about a month, I can get a vote in. Edited by Petrovsk Mizinski - May 09 2009 at 06:08 |
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Visitor13
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Posted: May 09 2009 at 06:09 | |||||||||||||||||||
Obscura is the only album you'd have to get. Really, the band's proginess rests on that one album.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: May 09 2009 at 06:09 | |||||||||||||||||||
Sure thing, I'll grab that album.
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lucas
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Posted: May 09 2009 at 07:37 | |||||||||||||||||||
We should keep in mind that ProgArchives aim at being the ultimate source of progressive music.
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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UMUR
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Posted: May 09 2009 at 12:04 | |||||||||||||||||||
Gorguts would fit like a glove in the Tech/ extreme catagory because of Obscura. I fully agree. Strapping as well for the Alien album. |
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: May 09 2009 at 12:20 | |||||||||||||||||||
Just remember that while you're arguing about their addition you can rate and tag those albums at PF ... where they are already listed as Prog (at least Obscura and Alien, I looked them up).
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 09 2009 at 22:46 | |||||||||||||||||||
Thank You! Thats what I never got. There is all this debate about whether or not a band is prog or not, or if a metal band with 7 albums but 3 are prog should they make it in based on a few? It would be so much easier to have a prog album section for all those. |
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: May 10 2009 at 01:05 | |||||||||||||||||||
okay - let's remove half the albums from the classic progressive bands then and not offer reviews for new albums until they've each been individually approved by the already non-stop working teams.
Sounds awesome. |
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: May 10 2009 at 01:20 | |||||||||||||||||||
Well, it is a little late now... Besides, the classical progressive bands would be fine. I think it should only be for albums from overall NON prog bands. For example, Death. Overall, there is no way you can call them progressive metal. They are a death metal band, and they should not be here...however, they do have prog metal albums. And its in THOSE cases a "Prog Album" section would be used for. |
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UMUR
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Posted: May 10 2009 at 02:13 | |||||||||||||||||||
I donīt agree with the "only" progressive albums catagory. Either everything is here or nothing is. Itīs important to know an artistīs full discography to understand their development IMO.
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Jake Kobrin
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 20 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1303 |
Posted: May 10 2009 at 02:51 | |||||||||||||||||||
Well there are plenty of bands like that already in the archives. Some big names would be The Beatles, The Who, Rush, etc.
There also plenty who were prog but then stopped releasing prog: Genesis, Yes, Wishbone Ash, etc. |
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Necromancer
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Posted: May 10 2009 at 09:36 | |||||||||||||||||||
Strange, thats one of my favourite albums ever. I love "With Strength I Burn"... Oh, and it's "Anthems To The Welkin At Dusk" |
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 10 2009 at 10:28 | |||||||||||||||||||
That's cool, I hear you there. However, that being the case...I don't want to hear people complain about "X" does not belong here! |
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Jake Kobrin
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 20 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1303 |
Posted: May 10 2009 at 13:22 | |||||||||||||||||||
It's one of my all time favorites as well. Strangely I can never remember the full title so I mostly just call it "Anthems". |
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