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Man With Hat
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Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team
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Topic: ELP - Why? Posted: March 31 2005 at 17:27 |
I'm somewhat new around here. In my month, or whatever it is, I've noticed very different opinoins on ELP. Some people absolutly love them (you kno who you are), and some absolutly hate them. I would like to know why. I have a few of thier albums (4 to be exact) and they seem like a fine band. Granted they are not my favorite, but still good. It appears, at least to me, that everyone here either loves it OR hates it, with no in between. So I'm just interested in why this is so. Thank you. (And im sure ill get a bunch of people saying that they are in between just to spite me .
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Reed Lover
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Posted: March 31 2005 at 17:33 |
I'm in between.
In between hate and loathe.
By the way,"he" is watching.
And "they" are watching him!!
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Rob The Plant
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Joined: December 15 2004
Location: Netherlands
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Posted: March 31 2005 at 17:36 |
It all began when an obsessed ELP fan came here, and started preaching
nothing but ELP. Some of us got a bit annoyed, and his behavior turned
some people to personal attacks agaisnt his favorite band. It didn't
hep that some playful teasing of ELP, because of them being Threefates
favorite band has always occured, because Karn didn't seem to
understand humour. So now us being stubborn prog fans, we stick to our
negative, unfounded views of these bands, who we've insulted previously
if only for fun. Like Yes, Yes sucks!
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bluetailfly
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 28 2005
Location: United States
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Points: 1383
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Posted: March 31 2005 at 17:37 |
What I notice happening is this:
For many strange reasons, people become invested in disliking a band (even one I think they orginally sort of liked), often because they don't like the person who does like the band (or more exactly, doesn't like the intensity of devotion displayed by him or her) and so it goes round and round until finally the person who made a few disparaging remarks is labelled as an ELP-hater.
The ELP-hater then begins to internalize this label to the point where he cannot really ever give ELP its due again. Because they are now too aware of the criticisms they made and thus have to really avoid listening to the band because they can't enjoy the experience (though there's a secret part of them that knows they really kind of did like the band), but it's been destroyed by this political warfare.
It's kind of sad actually. It happened to me; I have trouble enjoying U2 because of this very problem.
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Rob The Plant
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Posted: March 31 2005 at 17:37 |
Reed Lover wrote:
I'm in between.
In between hate and loathe.
By the way,"he" is watching.
And "they" are watching him!! |
Damn your right. "And the cat came back, the very next day!"
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tuxon
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Joined: September 21 2004
Location: plugged-in
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Posted: March 31 2005 at 17:39 |
I'd rather hear the voices in my head, than the meaningless meanderings of an overenthousiastic casio-keyboard player.
I can't even call the guy's talented (except for Carl Palmer, with a lot of imagination that is)
Edited by tuxon
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Reed Lover
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Joined: July 16 2004
Location: Sao Tome and Pr
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Posted: March 31 2005 at 17:42 |
bluetailfly wrote:
What I notice happening is this:
For many strange reasons, people become invested in disliking a band (even one I think they orginally sort of liked), often because they don't like the person who does like the band (or more exactly, doesn't like the intensity of devotion displayed by him or her) and so it goes round and round until finally the person who made a few disparaging remarks is labelled as an ELP-hater.
The ELP-hater then begins to internalize this label to the point where he cannot really ever give ELP its due again. Because they are now too aware of the criticisms they made and thus have to really avoid listening to the band because they can't enjoy the experience (though there's a secret part of them that knows they really kind of did like the band), but it's been destroyed by this political warfare.
It's kind of sad actually. It happened to me; I have trouble enjoying U2 because of this very problem.
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I listen to ELP regularly,I have no problems or hang-ups about bullsh*tting about them!
You have got to take some things with a pinch of salt!
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Fragile
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Joined: June 27 2004
Location: Scotland
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Points: 1125
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Posted: March 31 2005 at 17:44 |
Rob The Plant wrote:
It all began when an obsessed ELP fan came here, and started preaching nothing but ELP. Some of us got a bit annoyed, and his behavior turned some people to personal attacks agaisnt his favorite band. It didn't hep that some playful teasing of ELP, because of them being Threefates favorite band has always occured, because Karn didn't seem to understand humour. So now us being stubborn prog fans, we stick to our negative, unfounded views of these bands, who we've insulted previously if only for fun. Like Yes, Yes sucks! |
Away and bile yer heid man
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bluetailfly
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Joined: January 28 2005
Location: United States
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Points: 1383
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Posted: March 31 2005 at 17:45 |
Reed Lover wrote:
bluetailfly wrote:
What I notice happening is this:
For many strange reasons, people become invested in disliking a band (even one I think they orginally sort of liked), often because they don't like the person who does like the band (or more exactly, doesn't like the intensity of devotion displayed by him or her) and so it goes round and round until finally the person who made a few disparaging remarks is labelled as an ELP-hater.
The ELP-hater then begins to internalize this label to the point where he cannot really ever give ELP its due again. Because they are now too aware of the criticisms they made and thus have to really avoid listening to the band because they can't enjoy the experience (though there's a secret part of them that knows they really kind of did like the band), but it's been destroyed by this political warfare.
It's kind of sad actually. It happened to me; I have trouble enjoying U2 because of this very problem.
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I listen to ELP regularly,I have no problems or hang-ups about bullsh*tting about them!
You have got to take some things with a pinch of salt!
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Great advice, that's the advantage of never taking a serious band-hating stance. I, for one, appreciate that and will try to work that into my U2 hatred problem.
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Reed Lover
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Joined: July 16 2004
Location: Sao Tome and Pr
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Posted: March 31 2005 at 17:46 |
bluetailfly wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
bluetailfly wrote:
What I notice happening is this:
For many strange reasons, people become invested in disliking a band (even one I think they orginally sort of liked), often because they don't like the person who does like the band (or more exactly, doesn't like the intensity of devotion displayed by him or her) and so it goes round and round until finally the person who made a few disparaging remarks is labelled as an ELP-hater.
The ELP-hater then begins to internalize this label to the point where he cannot really ever give ELP its due again. Because they are now too aware of the criticisms they made and thus have to really avoid listening to the band because they can't enjoy the experience (though there's a secret part of them that knows they really kind of did like the band), but it's been destroyed by this political warfare.
It's kind of sad actually. It happened to me; I have trouble enjoying U2 because of this very problem.
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I listen to ELP regularly,I have no problems or hang-ups about bullsh*tting about them!
You have got to take some things with a pinch of salt!
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Great advice, that's the advantage of never taking a serious band-hating stance. I, for one, appreciate that and will try to work that into my U2 hatred problem.
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Funnily enough,U2 are far more unpopular around here than ELP! I love them BTW!
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Beau Heem
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 12 2005
Location: Finland
Status: Offline
Points: 227
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Posted: March 31 2005 at 19:39 |
Reed Lover wrote:
Funnily enough,U2 are far more unpopular around here than ELP! |
Yes. But Reed, that applies to you, too.
Cheers
-Beau
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Cluster One
Prog Reviewer
Joined: February 03 2005
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Points: 780
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Posted: March 31 2005 at 20:46 |
Isn't Man With Hat, KE9 and 3rd Impression (amongst others...) all the same person? (Thought that was obvious)
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Marmalade...I like marmalade.
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Man With Hat
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Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team
Joined: March 12 2005
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Posted: March 31 2005 at 21:37 |
Cluster One wrote:
Isn't Man With Hat, KE9 and 3rd Impression (amongst others...) all the same person? (Thought that was obvious) |
No. Man with hat is not KE9 nor 3rd impression. I am a seperate preson. Those other two may be the same, and there might be others, but dont include me in that group, thanks.
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Rob The Plant
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Location: Netherlands
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Posted: March 31 2005 at 22:02 |
Here's a song I made about it
Elp is better than Yes yes yes yes no Yes is not good and ELP is good Yes yes YES Oh yah!
See why you should leave songwriting up to a skilled poet like Greg Lake.
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gdub411
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Joined: August 24 2004
Location: United States
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Posted: March 31 2005 at 22:25 |
Rob The Plant wrote:
Here's a song I made about it
Elp is better than Yes yes yes yes no Yes is not good and ELP is good Yes yes YES Oh yah!
See why you should leave songwriting up to a skilled poet like Greg Lake.
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tuxon
Forum Senior Member
Joined: September 21 2004
Location: plugged-in
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Points: 5502
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Posted: March 31 2005 at 22:39 |
Rob The Plant wrote:
Here's a song I made about it
Elp is better than Yes yes yes yes no Yes is not good and ELP is good Yes yes YES Oh yah!
See why you should leave songwriting up to a skilled poet like Greg Lake.
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You aren't by any chance Greg Lake, are you?
those lyrics reminded me of Benny the bouncer
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threefates
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Joined: June 30 2004
Location: United States
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Posted: March 31 2005 at 23:12 |
ELP are Life.... just remember that and everything will be okay!!!
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THIS IS ELP
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Blacksword
Prog Reviewer
Joined: June 22 2004
Location: England
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Points: 16130
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Posted: April 01 2005 at 02:08 |
1) We cant ALL be expected to like ALL prog rock bands. ELP have their haters on here, as do Rush, Yes and whoever else. So what?
2) Some people have no sense of humour. Or,through no fault of their own, dont understand or pick up on the humour that comes across in teasing, and playful criticism. Thats what most criticism of bands amounts to around here.
3) With someone like KE9, what music he likes and dislikes becomes irrelevant. It's his attitude to others that causes the problems, lights the fire, and creates the impression that ELP are hated. I, for one have a problem with KE9, not ELP.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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richardh
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Joined: February 18 2004
Location: United Kingdom
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Points: 28041
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Posted: April 01 2005 at 02:22 |
ELP have always tended to polarise opinion.They were never a perfect band but they had ideas which is the most important thing to me.I have no problem with people telling me that they don't like them but I do admit to getting annoyed when people ignorantly try to devalue their place in the prog scheme of things just for the 'petty' sake of it.Hopefully I've never abused or been rude to anyone though.If I have then I sincerely apologise.At the end of the day there is no accounting for taste.I just happen to have very good taste
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lunaticviolist
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Posted: April 01 2005 at 02:43 |
You know what band really sucks? Jethro Tull!
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