I'm in between.

In between hate and loathe.

By the way,"he" is watching.

And "they" are watching him!!

What I notice happening is this:

For many strange reasons, people become invested in disliking a band (even one I think they orginally sort of liked), often because they don't like the person who does like the band (or more exactly, doesn't like the intensity of devotion displayed by him or her) and so it goes round and round until finally the person who made a few disparaging remarks is labelled as an ELP-hater.

The ELP-hater then begins to internalize this label to the point where he cannot really ever give ELP its due again. Because they are now too aware of the criticisms they made and thus have to really avoid listening to the band  because they can't enjoy the experience (though there's a secret part of them that knows they really kind of did like the band), but it's been destroyed by this political warfare.

It's kind of sad actually. It happened to me; I have trouble enjoying U2 because of this very problem.

I'd rather hear the voices in my head, than the meaningless meanderings of an overenthousiastic casio-keyboard player.

I can't even call the guy's talented (except for Carl Palmer, with a lot of imagination that is)

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bluetailfly wrote: What I notice happening is this: For many strange reasons, people become invested in disliking a band (even one I think they orginally sort of liked), often because they don't like the person who does like the band (or more exactly, doesn't like the intensity of devotion displayed by him or her) and so it goes round and round until finally the person who made a few disparaging remarks is labelled as an ELP-hater. The ELP-hater then begins to internalize this label to the point where he cannot really ever give ELP its due again. Because they are now too aware of the criticisms they made and thus have to really avoid listening to the band  because they can't enjoy the experience (though there's a secret part of them that knows they really kind of did like the band), but it's been destroyed by this political warfare. It's kind of sad actually. It happened to me; I have trouble enjoying U2 because of this very problem.

I listen to ELP regularly,I have no problems or hang-ups about bullsh*tting about them!

You have got to take some things with a pinch of salt!

Rob The Plant wrote: It all began when an obsessed ELP fan came here, and started preaching nothing but ELP. Some of us got a bit annoyed, and his behavior turned some people to personal attacks agaisnt his favorite band. It didn't hep that some playful teasing of ELP, because of them being Threefates favorite band has always occured, because Karn didn't seem to understand humour. So now us being stubborn prog fans, we stick to our negative, unfounded views of these bands, who we've insulted previously if only for fun. Like Yes, Yes sucks!

Away and bile yer heid man

Reed Lover wrote: bluetailfly wrote: What I notice happening is this: For many strange reasons, people become invested in disliking a band (even one I think they orginally sort of liked), often because they don't like the person who does like the band (or more exactly, doesn't like the intensity of devotion displayed by him or her) and so it goes round and round until finally the person who made a few disparaging remarks is labelled as an ELP-hater. The ELP-hater then begins to internalize this label to the point where he cannot really ever give ELP its due again. Because they are now too aware of the criticisms they made and thus have to really avoid listening to the band  because they can't enjoy the experience (though there's a secret part of them that knows they really kind of did like the band), but it's been destroyed by this political warfare. It's kind of sad actually. It happened to me; I have trouble enjoying U2 because of this very problem. I listen to ELP regularly,I have no problems or hang-ups about bullsh*tting about them! You have got to take some things with a pinch of salt!

Great advice, that's the advantage of never taking a serious band-hating stance. I, for one, appreciate that and will try to work that into my U2 hatred problem.

bluetailfly wrote: Reed Lover wrote: bluetailfly wrote: What I notice happening is this: For many strange reasons, people become invested in disliking a band (even one I think they orginally sort of liked), often because they don't like the person who does like the band (or more exactly, doesn't like the intensity of devotion displayed by him or her) and so it goes round and round until finally the person who made a few disparaging remarks is labelled as an ELP-hater. The ELP-hater then begins to internalize this label to the point where he cannot really ever give ELP its due again. Because they are now too aware of the criticisms they made and thus have to really avoid listening to the band  because they can't enjoy the experience (though there's a secret part of them that knows they really kind of did like the band), but it's been destroyed by this political warfare. It's kind of sad actually. It happened to me; I have trouble enjoying U2 because of this very problem. I listen to ELP regularly,I have no problems or hang-ups about bullsh*tting about them! You have got to take some things with a pinch of salt! Great advice, that's the advantage of never taking a serious band-hating stance. I, for one, appreciate that and will try to work that into my U2 hatred problem.

Funnily enough,U2 are far more unpopular around here than ELP! I love them BTW!

Cluster One wrote: Isn't Man With Hat, KE9 and 3rd Impression (amongst others...) all the same person? (Thought that was obvious)

No. Man with hat is not KE9 nor 3rd impression. I am a seperate preson. Those other two may be the same, and there might be others, but dont include me in that group, thanks.

Here's a song I made about it

Elp is better than Yes
yes yes yes
no Yes is not good
and ELP is good
Yes
yes
YES
Oh yah!

See why you should leave songwriting up to a skilled poet like Greg Lake.

Rob The Plant wrote: Here's a song I made about it Elp is better than Yes yes yes yes no Yes is not good and ELP is good Yes yes YES Oh yah! See why you should leave songwriting up to a skilled poet like Greg Lake.

You aren't by any chance Greg Lake, are you?

those lyrics reminded me of Benny the bouncer

1) We cant ALL be expected to like ALL prog rock bands. ELP have their haters on here, as do Rush, Yes and whoever else. So what?

2) Some people have no sense of humour. Or,through no fault of their own, dont understand or pick up on the humour that comes across in teasing, and playful criticism. Thats what most criticism of bands amounts to around here.

3) With someone like KE9, what music he likes and dislikes becomes irrelevant. It's his attitude to others that causes the problems, lights the fire, and creates the impression that ELP are hated. I, for one have a problem with KE9, not ELP.

plodder wrote: I like all the bands I like and don't like all the ones I don't. Simple really.

But surely it's not that simple, you must have a few bands that you don't like for reasons you are unsure of, that you are trying desparately to like, or a favorite band or two that just doesn't sound as good anymore no matter how hard you try to still like them, but you don't want to let them go...

I can get rather complicated, navigating our changing tastes...

plodder wrote: Not really. I think I've matured enough now to say if you want to sl*g a band off, go for it. Me, I don't want anything to do with it. I like various kinds of bands and spending my time trawling around a thread looking for people to wind-up isn't for me. But don't let me stop you.

What you wouldnt sl*g "Love Beach" off for being the most disgracefully cinical release ever by a Prog Rock band?

Reed Lover wrote: plodder wrote: Not really. I think I've matured enough now to say if you want to sl*g a band off, go for it. Me, I don't want anything to do with it. I like various kinds of bands and spending my time trawling around a thread looking for people to wind-up isn't for me. But don't let me stop you. What you wouldnt sl*g "Love Beach" off for being the most disgracefully cinical release ever by a Prog Rock band?

A cynical release by Atlantic Records more like!

plodder wrote: Nope. If you don't like it fair enough. For You is my favourite ELP song some days dependant on my mood. Really, if you feel the need to pull apart any individual song/album/CD constructively then Ok, but some of these "ELP are better that YES are better than Genesis" threads are just so childish. Celebrate the different moods, colours and textures contained in our progressive tastes. Don't spend your time hating someones personal tastes. I also like "Circle of Heaven" I think it's a little gem of a track.

I agree and your from Wales too

plodder wrote: I also like "Circle of Heaven"

Gdub is a big fan of that too!! Each to his own I say!