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Time Signature 
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 18:06 |
In the October issue of Modern Drummer, I came across the label 'progressive alternative' as a subgenre within progressive rock. In the article in question, acts such as Primus, Soundgarden, Tool, Radiohead and Deerhoof are listed under ProgAlt, and the MD webpage additionally lists Muse, Chavez and Shudder to Think among others.
Have any of you guys come across this genre before? Would it be useful to PA? I know, I'm not a fan of having a lot of genres, but maybe it could be useful to PA... I don't know.
Anyhow, I'm not really sure what defines this genre, so could somebody perhaps describe it? What makes it progressive alternative rather than just alternative?
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 18:09 |
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We have some of these bands here already.
Primus, Tool, Muse and Radiohead are alreaday in crossover prog (except Tool is in Prog-Metal), and I think Deerhoof might be a good addition.
Dont know why Soundgarden is on that list, but whatever.
Other bands from this genre include, Oceansize and Mew.
I think they fit just fine where we already have them on PA
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 18:14 |
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I can understand why people put bands like Soundgarden on these lists ... they had an experimental phase (Superunknown). But while I would agree that this album is very interesting musically and even a bit avant-garde, I wouldn't call it "prog".
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Time Signature
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 18:16 |
 MikeEnRegalia wrote:
I can understand why people put bands like Soundgarden on these lists ... they had an experimental phase (Superunknown). But while I would agree that this album is very interesting musically and even a bit avant-garde, I wouldn't call it "prog".
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Perhaps I should mention that "Superunknown" is the album mentioned in this category.
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 18:25 |
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From what I know. Deerhoof is a Noise Rock band and Chavez was one of the leading bands in the Math Rock genre. Both genres can be seen as part of the Prog umbrella one way or another, but I wouldn't call them Alternative Prog.
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 18:29 |
Time Signature wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
I can understand why people put bands like Soundgarden on these lists ... they had an experimental phase (Superunknown). But while I would agree that this album is very interesting musically and even a bit avant-garde, I wouldn't call it "prog".
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Perhaps I should mention that "Superunknown" is the album mentioned in this category. |
I love that album ... not just the "hits" (Spoon Man, Black Hole Sun) but also weird stuff like 4th of July, Limo Wreck, Fresh Tendrils ... 
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 18:33 |
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The names don't really matter, but I used to refer to certain things as progressive alternative. King Crimson's '80s albums would be a good example, as well as the other other bands mentioned.
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 18:33 |
GoldenSpiral wrote:
Other bands from this genre include, Oceansize and Mew.
I think they fit just fine where we already have them on PA
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Is Mew in PA now?
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 18:36 |
bhikkhu wrote:
The names don't really matter, but I used to refer to certain things as progressive alternative. King Crimson's '80s albums would be a good example, as well as the other other bands mentioned. |
The word "alternative" has a special connotation though ... 90s, Eddie Vedder. The short Grunge movement sparked a whole generation of bands and artists who were desperately trying to be different from the mainstream ... and inadvertently they managed to create a genre of their own, the thing they were trying to avoid. 
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 18:39 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
bhikkhu wrote:
The names don't really matter, but I used to refer to certain things as progressive alternative. King Crimson's '80s albums would be a good example, as well as the other other bands mentioned. |
The word "alternative" has a special connotation though ... 90s, Eddie Vedder. The short Grunge movement sparked a whole generation of bands and artists who were desperately trying to be different from the mainstream ... and inadvertently they managed to create a genre of their own, the thing they were trying to avoid.
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Interesting. I've often found that the three main representatives of grunge music (Nirvana, Soundgarden and Pearl Jam) had absolutely nothing in common other than connections with Seattle.
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 18:43 |
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^ There are some connections between Soundgarden and Pearl Jam ... check out the amazing project Temple of the Dog, both Vedder and Cornell perform on it.
But I rather meant that the bands which followed this early phase of Grunge (the whole alternative movement) eventually formed genre structures pretty much like mainstream music did too ...
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 18:46 |
I thin that would be cool to actually one day have a prog alt genre, but the problems are:
a) There arent enough bands yet
b) People would complain about another genre
I personally dont care how amny genres we have, in fact, the more genres we have the more bands get noticed. But thats how I think.
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 18:47 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ There are some connections between Soundgarden and Pearl Jam ... check out the amazing project Temple of the Dog, both Vedder and Cornell perform on it.
But I rather meant that the bands which followed this early phase of Grunge (the whole alternative movement) eventually formed genre structures pretty much like mainstream music did too ...
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RE: Temple of the Dog - yeah, that's right... I've heard some of their songs. A bandmate of mine had the record. It's a long time ago since I heard it.
RE: Alternative/grunge genre - yeah, you're right. Having experienced that stuff first hand, being a teen at the time, I agree with you.
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 18:48 |
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b) People would complain about another genre
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 18:50 |
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I'd say most of my favorite bands are progressive alternative or something like that. Usually these bands are prog linked to the alt world or alt linked through the prog world through fanbases, different eras, or having a happy medium in their music between progressive and indie/alt rock.
Example: The Decemberists are going on tour playing 2 nights in each city. The first night they'll play the longer, more progressive music and the second night they'll play the shorter, more alternative based music.
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 19:10 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
I can understand why people put bands like Soundgarden on these lists ... they had an experimental phase (Superunknown). But while I would agree that this album is very interesting musically and even a bit avant-garde, I wouldn't call it "prog".
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Some of the earlier stuff sometimes veered into "noise" rock with the use of atonal solos or riffs. Indeed, their original bassist left because they seemed headed into a more mainstream direction after Louder than Love. But prog would be a stretch, as at the time, before grunge, they were lumped with metal.
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 19:18 |
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Progressive alternative sounds like a nice sub-genre, we don't have it though AHAHAHAHAH.
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 19:30 |
Prog alternative sounds to me like another name for post rock, so I don't think we really need anything like that here. There are already so many new subgenres!
Categories don't really matter to me, though.
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 19:38 |
GoldenSpiral wrote:
We have some of these bands here already.
Primus,
Tool, Muse and Radiohead are alreaday in crossover prog (except Tool is
in Prog-Metal), and I think Deerhoof might be a good addition.
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HAH... since when is Primus in Xover....
Raff and I moved them out of AR a ways back......with extreme prejudice....
isn't Tool... PM
Radiohead is Xover
and Muse . are PR... for now.. but thinking about them for Xover.
Edited by micky - September 26 2007 at 19:40
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 20:34 |
micky wrote:
GoldenSpiral wrote:
We have some of these bands here already.
Primus,
Tool, Muse and Radiohead are alreaday in crossover prog (except Tool is
in Prog-Metal), and I think Deerhoof might be a good addition.
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HAH... since when is Primus in Xover....
Raff and I moved them out of AR a ways back......with extreme prejudice....
isn't Tool... PM
Radiohead is Xover
and Muse . are PR... for now.. but thinking about them for Xover.
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Ah, thanks for the corrections. I didn't feel like looking them all up, but my main point was that some of them are already here, and they already have genres that they fit into respectively. And as far as Soundgarden, Superunknown was one of the first CDs I ever bought when I was a wee lad. I still love that album. I used to think '4th of July' was the heaviest song ever created!
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