Progressive Alternative?
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Topic: Progressive Alternative?
Posted By: Time Signature
Subject: Progressive Alternative?
Date Posted: September 26 2007 at 18:06
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In the October issue of Modern Drummer, I came across the label 'progressive alternative' as a subgenre within progressive rock. In the article in question, acts such as Primus, Soundgarden, Tool, Radiohead and Deerhoof are listed under ProgAlt, and the MD webpage additionally lists Muse, Chavez and Shudder to Think among others. Have any of you guys come across this genre before? Would it be useful to PA? I know, I'm not a fan of having a lot of genres, but maybe it could be useful to PA... I don't know.
Anyhow, I'm not really sure what defines this genre, so could somebody perhaps describe it? What makes it progressive alternative rather than just alternative?
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: September 26 2007 at 18:09
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We have some of these bands here already. Primus, Tool, Muse and Radiohead are alreaday in crossover prog (except Tool is in Prog-Metal), and I think Deerhoof might be a good addition. Dont know why Soundgarden is on that list, but whatever. Other bands from this genre include, Oceansize and Mew. I think they fit just fine where we already have them on PA ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 26 2007 at 18:14
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I can understand why people put bands like Soundgarden on these lists ... they had an experimental phase (Superunknown). But while I would agree that this album is very interesting musically and even a bit avant-garde, I wouldn't call it "prog". ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: September 26 2007 at 18:16
Perhaps I should mention that "Superunknown" is the album mentioned in this category.
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MikeEnRegalia wrote:Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: September 26 2007 at 18:25
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From what I know. Deerhoof is a Noise Rock band and Chavez was one of the leading bands in the Math Rock genre. Both genres can be seen as part of the Prog umbrella one way or another, but I wouldn't call them Alternative Prog. ------------- 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 26 2007 at 18:29
I love that album ... not just the "hits" (Spoon Man, Black Hole Sun) but also weird stuff like 4th of July, Limo Wreck, Fresh Tendrils ...  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: September 26 2007 at 18:33
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The names don't really matter, but I used to refer to certain things as progressive alternative. King Crimson's '80s albums would be a good example, as well as the other other bands mentioned. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: September 26 2007 at 18:33
Is Mew in PA now?
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 26 2007 at 18:36
The word "alternative" has a special connotation though ... 90s, Eddie Vedder. The short Grunge movement sparked a whole generation of bands and artists who were desperately trying to be different from the mainstream ... and inadvertently they managed to create a genre of their own, the thing they were trying to avoid.  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: September 26 2007 at 18:39
Interesting. I've often found that the three main representatives of grunge music (Nirvana, Soundgarden and Pearl Jam) had absolutely nothing in common other than connections with Seattle.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 26 2007 at 18:43
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^ There are some connections between Soundgarden and Pearl Jam ... check out the amazing project Temple of the Dog, both Vedder and Cornell perform on it. But I rather meant that the bands which followed this early phase of Grunge (the whole alternative movement) eventually formed genre structures pretty much like mainstream music did too ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: September 26 2007 at 18:46
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I thin that would be cool to actually one day have a prog alt genre, but the problems are:
a) There arent enough bands yet
b) People would complain about another genre
I personally dont care how amny genres we have, in fact, the more genres we have the more bands get noticed. But thats how I think. ------------- 
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Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: September 26 2007 at 18:47
RE: Temple of the Dog - yeah, that's right... I've heard some of their songs. A bandmate of mine had the record. It's a long time ago since I heard it.
RE: Alternative/grunge genre - yeah, you're right. Having experienced that stuff first hand, being a teen at the time, I agree with you.
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Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: September 26 2007 at 18:48
I promise, I won't complain
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Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: September 26 2007 at 18:50
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I'd say most of my favorite bands are progressive alternative or something like that. Usually these bands are prog linked to the alt world or alt linked through the prog world through fanbases, different eras, or having a happy medium in their music between progressive and indie/alt rock. Example: The Decemberists are going on tour playing 2 nights in each city. The first night they'll play the longer, more progressive music and the second night they'll play the shorter, more alternative based music. -------------  <font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR] |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: September 26 2007 at 19:10
Some of the earlier stuff sometimes veered into "noise" rock with the use of atonal solos or riffs. Indeed, their original bassist left because they seemed headed into a more mainstream direction after Louder than Love. But prog would be a stretch, as at the time, before grunge, they were lumped with metal. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: September 26 2007 at 19:18
| Progressive alternative sounds like a nice sub-genre, we don't have it though AHAHAHAHAH. |
Posted By: ShipOfFools
Date Posted: September 26 2007 at 19:30
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Prog alternative sounds to me like another name for post rock, so I don't think we really need anything like that here. There are already so many new subgenres! Categories don't really matter to me, though. ------------- 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 26 2007 at 19:38
HAH... since when is Primus in Xover.... Raff and I moved them out of AR a ways back......with extreme prejudice.... isn't Tool... PM Radiohead is Xover and Muse . are PR... for now.. but thinking about them for Xover. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: September 26 2007 at 20:34
Ah, thanks for the corrections. I didn't feel like looking them all up, but my main point was that some of them are already here, and they already have genres that they fit into respectively. And as far as Soundgarden, Superunknown was one of the first CDs I ever bought when I was a wee lad. I still love that album. I used to think '4th of July' was the heaviest song ever created! ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 26 2007 at 22:29
I too loved that album. Then in college someone stole my copy!  |
Posted By: asimplemistake
Date Posted: September 26 2007 at 23:45
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I read an issue once in a guitar magazine about Punk-Prog bands (cant remember any of the names at the moment, but I remember one that took big influence from KC). I dont really know what other point my post has besides saying that.... |
Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 03:01
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i've always felt that grudge was a term regarding a certain philosophy.. in that case, generation X of Seattle in the early '90s.. you might say that bands like Nirvana and Pearl Jam were/are grudge but Alice In Chains and Soundgarden just happened to be nearby.. in a ny other way, they were pure heavy rock.. just like Zeps and Sabs taught it... anywho, i agree with the term prog alt, otherwise bands like Muse just don't fit in here... ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 11:00
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I guess the recent moving of this thread into the non-prog section reflects somebody's opinion that Progressive Alternative doesn't have anything to do with Progressive music. |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 11:04
That's odd, considering at least some of the bands mentioned are already in the Archives. 
to clarify what I was saying before, I think that there is alternative rock that is influenced by progressive rock, and in fact is itself progressive rock with alt-rock style... but there really isn't a genre you could call prog-alternative.
Another PA band that would fit this description is dredg. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 13:25
| Oh, by the way, it's "Badmotorfinger" and not "Superunknown" that's on the list. |
Posted By: jimidom
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 13:51
IMHO, although Badmotorfinger a heavy album album with some monster riffs and standout tracks like "Slaves and Bulldozers" and "Rusty Cage", Superunknown would have been the better choice because it is a more interesting and experimental album. ------------- "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." - HST |
Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 14:47
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¿Isn't that redundant? ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 17:24
| Isn't what redundant? |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 17:32
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I agree with this whole "Progressive Alternative" thing, it undeniably exists. But I dislike the name. A lot. I prefer ProgJester's suggestion: Modern Prog (I've also seen the term Prog Moderne used elsewhere). |