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Peto 
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 Topic: Sgt. Pepper- Overrated
Posted: August 06 2007 at 13:50 |
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This is not an anti-Beatles entry. I just think that Sgt. Pepper is horrendously overrated. Look at the albums that came before and after it - Revolver and Magical mystery tour. Both are much better in terms of songwriting, plus Magoical mystery tour is even more experimental than Sgt.
Revolver and Magical mystery tour should definitely be praised much more than that one as a whole.
What do you think?
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Dirk
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Posted: August 06 2007 at 13:54 |
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Horrendously overrated is an overstatement but indeed i like Abbey road a lot better.
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el böthy
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Posted: August 06 2007 at 13:55 |
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Wow, this thread sure will help us! No one ever thought of an overrated "this or that" thread!
And no, I dont think it´s overrated
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Proletariat
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Posted: August 06 2007 at 13:56 |
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disagree, Sgt. Peppers was the pioneering album, while Abbey Road is a good listen it didn't try as many new techniques and while Magical Mistery Tour used the ideas better it wasn't the first to try them.
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who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob
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Evans
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Posted: August 06 2007 at 13:56 |
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I dunno. I don't like it as much as the general majority, but i have heard that there are people that think "Horses" and "Rumours" are overrated albums as well, which leads me to believe that taste is very personal, after all.. :)
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thellama73
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Posted: August 06 2007 at 14:00 |
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I don't like Sargent Pepper's as much as Abbey Road or some of the other Beatles albums, but it did make a HUGE impact on popular music. It even caused Brian Wilson to have a nervous breakdown.
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Progrock105
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Posted: August 06 2007 at 14:02 |
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Sargent Pepper worse than Magical Mystery Tour? Come on! Maybe you should give both albums another listen...
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Padraic
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Posted: August 06 2007 at 14:12 |
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As to the importance of Sgt. Pepper in the history of modern music, it is absolutely not overrated. That said, I am among those that personally prefer Abbey Road as my favorite Beatles album, but I don't find that Sgt. Pepper is overrated in terms of sheer musical content, either.
Finally, as you are new here, I think you'll come to find that "overrated" is a term with next to no value. Its use often boils down to someone expressing their opinion that they do not look favorably upon of a piece of work that is highly praised by many others. Art does not have a fundamental and absolute value - it is of course highly subjective.
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Posted: August 06 2007 at 16:19 |
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I would agree that Revolver is a better and more focused album than Sgt Pepper but MMT was really only an EP originally. It just had some singles from the same period tacked on to make an album, so it's effectively a compilation (albeit a very good one).
And don't forget, two of the best tracks on the MMT album (Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane) were intended for Sgt Pepper but released as a single before hand due to the record company being after another single.
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The T
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 14:51 |
I'm always ready to agree with any post saying that an album I don't like as much as others do is overrated.... 
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febus
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 21:16 |
 Peto wrote:
This is not an anti-Beatles entry. I just think that Sgt. Pepper is horrendously overrated. Look at the albums that came before and after it - Revolver and Magical mystery tour. Both are much better in terms of songwriting, plus Magoical mystery tour is even more experimental than Sgt.
Revolver and Magical mystery tour should definitely be praised much more than that one as a whole.
What do you think? |
In the middle ages , people were sent to burn for such heretic comments!! 
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Atavachron
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 21:29 |
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unlike Revolver (a great collection of songs) and Abbey Road (great but quite the pop album), Sgt. Peppers was as much an experience as a record, rivaled in atmosphere and texture that year only by Smiley Smile
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keith_emerson
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 21:53 |
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wow..Sgt Pepper, such exciting and revolutionary. IMO, not overrated at all.
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sircosick
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 22:11 |
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Non overrated, in any sense. A masterpiece of prog and non-prog music, and Beatles' best together with Abbey Road.
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Dim
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Posted: August 08 2007 at 02:41 |
Magical Mystery is awesome, but i dont know why you say splhcb is non experimental. Lets see... Within Without you? The first three songs? Mr. Kite? There is more to expirimentalism than just music, they were the first grpup to write lyrics like this, and an entire song of sitar is pretty expirimental, i should say sooo. 
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Posted: August 08 2007 at 07:43 |
schizoid_man77 wrote:
Magical Mystery is awesome, but i dont know why you say splhcb is non experimental. Lets see... Within Without you? The first three songs? Mr. Kite? There is more to expirimentalism than just music, they were the first grpup to write lyrics like this, and an entire song of sitar is pretty expirimental, i should say sooo. |
To be fair, he didn't say Sgt Pepper was "non experimental", he said MMT was more experimental. With "I am the Walrus" and "Strawberry Fields" he may have a point, but the two albums were recorded at pretty much the same time and there's little to choose between the two.
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Dim
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 01:02 |
If you want me to be completely honest, I was havig a friend over, and he saw this thread and immedietly took the keyboard and ranted.
I for one am only interested in abbey road. 
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The Whistler
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 02:14 |
In hindsight, that didn't sound too much like you Schizo.
As for my opinion, I can give none. I've never heard Pepper in its completion; but I'm still betting that Stand Up is a better album. At least "Fat Man" is way catchier than whatever the Harrison sitar exercise on the second side was (and "Fat Man" doesn't even have a sitar! HA!).
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Dim
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 02:19 |
The Whistler wrote:
In hindsight, that didn't sound too much like you Schizo.
As for my opinion, I can give none. I've never heard Pepper in its completion; but I'm still betting that Stand Up is a better album. At least "Fat Man" is way catchier than whatever the Harrison sitar exercise on the second side was (and "Fat Man" doesn't even have a sitar! HA!). |
I agree, stand up is a great album, Tulls blues age was great!! Better than peppers? Debatable!
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 02:27 |
I don't like any Beatles album pre Abbey Road (Obviously I only like two Beatles albums).
But what kind of arrogant would I be to say that the album is overrated?
If a huge number of persons that know about music like it and I believe it's overrated then there are two posibilities:
1.- I'm wrong and the album is a masterpiece.
2.- All the rest of the peopke are diots that believe this album is great when as a fact i say it's overrated crap.
But most likely......I have a different taste than the vast majority of people, not better, not worst only different
But if the albun got recognition by people who I know have knowledge of music, then I can't dare to say it's overrated, they must have found on it something I'm not capable of finding.
Please, stiop using the term overrated, this is one of the reasons why people believe we're arrogant a$$holes, because we believe out taste is better than the one of the rest of the world.
Iván
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