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    Posted: July 16 2007 at 15:56
It makes me sad and furious Angry, that some noise makers, like lacrimosa, are in progarchives!!!!!! I think this page was made for us, the prog lovers, not the gothic punks!!!! this is very disapointing, that noise makers do not belong here!!!!!! how they could....?? Cry this was my favorite page, but now I dont know if i can find good prog in this pages, because I realize that is plagued with those noise makers.... Cry 
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As a noise maker, I resent that. Wink 
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Uh dude there are at least 2000 other bands in the database. If you don't like one band don't let it ruin your ProgArchives experience...look at something else.

I'm pretty sure everyone is unhappy about one band or another being in the archives.


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yep, i agree, but I feel sad than progarchives accepted those kind of noise makers
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Speaking of noise-making - it's threads like these that screw up Progarchives' signal-to-noise ratio.
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It's only your opinion that they are "noise makers". The fact that you don't like them doesn't make them any less prog, either
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Points: 21319 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2007 at 16:19
For the record: I also don't think that Lacrimosa fit in here ... but then again I haven't heard all of their (numerous) albums. I guess that objectively they did have a few ambitious symphonic albums.
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Points: 31169 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2007 at 16:25
Originally posted by Visitor13 Visitor13 wrote:

Speaking of noise-making - it's threads like these that screw up Progarchives' signal-to-noise ratio.


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yep but symphonic is different from symphonyc prog. each have things that difference each other, I remain thinking that they don´t fit here
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One listener's noise is another's symphony.  Approve
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Just a couple of general observations using this thread as an example.
 
A well considered and appropriate thread title can make all the difference to the success of a thread. People will often remember a thread a few weeks after it has disappeared from view. When they search for it, they will expect to find certain key words such as the band name in the title. In this case, the thread title is weak and give no indication of the topic being raised.
 
Secondly, the initial post in a thread will often set the mood for the discuussion. In this case, the post is confrontational and is bound to upset those who think the band mentioned has a place here. Often, it ain't what you say, it's the way you say it.
 
No rules have been broken here, the points made above are intended only to show how thread such as this could be more successful and less likely to end in closure.
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Originally posted by Visitor13 Visitor13 wrote:

Speaking of noise-making - it's threads like these that screw up Progarchives' signal-to-noise ratio.
 
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I was just thinking the same thing!
 
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I'd not heard of Lacrimosa before and having heard a few tracks on MyMusic I can safely say that this band is not really my cup of tea. There are many other bands of this type (Gothic?) I personally prefer such as Autumn, Sirenia and Leaves Eye. But then we are probably into a new category here. I've no problem with listing them as it brings more variety to the site and I've discovered some great albums by accident almost.
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Points: 4079 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2007 at 17:03
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Just a couple of general observations using this thread as an example.
 
A well considered and appropriate thread title can make all the difference to the success of a thread. People will often remember a thread a few weeks after it has disappeared from view. When they search for it, they will expect to find certain key words such as the band name in the title. In this case, the thread title is weak and give no indication of the topic being raised.
 
Secondly, the initial post in a thread will often set the mood for the discuussion. In this case, the post is confrontational and is bound to upset those who think the band mentioned has a place here. Often, it ain't what you say, it's the way you say it.
 
No rules have been broken here, the points made above are intended only to show how thread such as this could be more successful and less likely to end in closure.
 
What chapter of Dale Carnegie's book was that from? Wink LOL
 
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Originally posted by twilight_mage twilight_mage wrote:

It makes me sad and furious Angry, that some noise makers, like lacrimosa, are in progarchives!!!!!! I think this page was made for us, the prog lovers, not the gothic punks!!!! this is very disapointing, that noise makers do not belong here!!!!!! how they could....?? Cry this was my favorite page, but now I dont know if i can find good prog in this pages, because I realize that is plagued with those noise makers.... Cry 
Could you explain how Lacrimosa are "noise makers"?
 
I cannot see how that phrase can apply to them: there is no discordancy their music - its not as if they are playing symphonic black metal or grindcore. The music they make is symphonic to a degree in that they make heavy use of string arrangements and programming, but it is also melodic, ethereal, complex and multilayered. Although they are considerably less 'metal' than many of the Progressive-metal bands listed here, when they do hit-metal they rock with more orignality than most (some of the guitar solos are the sweetest ever recorded - pure bliss IMHO) and it is still Progressive Metal by the accepted definition (and not just another Dream Theater clone).
 
Tilo Wolff's vocals are about the only gothic sounding element about them, and to be fair, he is not that different to some of the Krautrock vocalists in style, but you cannot argue with the beauty of Anne Nurmi's vocals surely.
 
If you are going to be negative, you have to be more specific - what is it exactly that you do not like about Lacrimosa that makes them unworthy of a listing in the PA?
  
(I'm also struggling with the phrase "gothic punks", but that's another issue) Evil%20Smile
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I think you'll prefer the Japanese RIO/Avant-Prog band Lacrymosa. Wink
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Points: 27802 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2007 at 19:39
Lacrimosa were added by the founder of this site,and if he wants them here,here they will remain.


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Points: 881 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2007 at 19:44
Keep it up and Merzbow is next. ;)
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Or Boris or Lightning Bolt. Wink
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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2007 at 20:12
Originally posted by twilight_mage twilight_mage wrote:

It makes me sad and furious Angry, that some noise makers, like lacrimosa, are in progarchives!!!!!! I think this page was made for us, the prog lovers, not the gothic punks!!!! this is very disapointing, that noise makers do not belong here!!!!!! how they could....?? Cry this was my favorite page, but now I dont know if i can find good prog in this pages, because I realize that is plagued with those noise makers.... Cry 


pffff..... easy.... quit listening and caring about that modern sh*t and tune into thisLOL

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36487

plenty of great prog in these pages...


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