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    Posted: June 06 2007 at 17:03
Just saw an interview with Lemmy. He was talking about Hawkwind and when asked who he would like to collaborate with if he had a choice he said Jeff Beck before his twiddling days. He also referred to other jazz and prog rock guitarists as twiddlers. I looked up the definition in the Oxford dictionary and it defined twiddling as ..."Playing in a nervous or purposeless way. Rapid or intricate series of musical notes. " I think he`s right in a way if he really knows the definition of twiddling. Is he?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2007 at 17:08
By the sound of it he just doesn't like the style of music that they now choose to play.

Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2007 at 17:11
thing is, Jeff Beck still rocks, twiddler or not. You go see him today or five years from now and he'll be rippin the blues, rock, fusion, whatever he feels like, and like no one else.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2007 at 19:03
So you think he`s a twiddler nonetheless. Maybe John McLaughlin is a twiddler as well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2007 at 03:48
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

So you think he`s a twiddler nonetheless. Maybe John McLaughlin is a twiddler as well.


On "The Inner Mounting Flame" he sure is.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2007 at 04:49
As much as I like Lemmy, Hawkwind and Motorhead, I'm sure if he had the ablity to 'twiddle' his attitude would be different..

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2007 at 10:55
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

As much as I like Lemmy, Hawkwind and Motorhead, I'm sure if he had the ablity to 'twiddle' his attitude would be different..

That's a good one. Dave Brock sure can't twiddle!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2007 at 11:12
I`ve heard short bursts of twiddling from Brock on some live Hawkwind recordings but nothing appraoching the twiddling skill of guys like McLaughlin or Malmsteen. I`ve got a Motorhead compilation and I checked for twiddling but couldn`t find any . In another interview some time ago Lemmy even drew comparisons between Motorhead`s music to that of the Beatles.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2007 at 11:19
I love the Hawk, but Brock's command of the fretboard has never been stellar.

Nice echoplex effects though.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2007 at 14:32
Brock has even admitted that  he was no guitar hero. Lemmy also said he was very easy to work with musically. His synth work is also simple but freaky. Malmsteen has to be the king of twiddling. My wife is a music teacher and has her doctorate and from time to time I get her to evaluate some of the crap that I listen to ( she even wrote a review here once) and she says that  Ywinge just hits the notes. She demonstrated the difference between twiddling and music to me on our piano with a piece of classical music. She played the passage as it should be played and then she played it as fast and hard as she could to demonstrate twiddling. It`s weird I liked the twiddling better.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2007 at 14:38
^ play her some Vai ... something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbAi7fa2yZo Approve
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2007 at 15:07
Reminds me of Nigel`s guitar solo in  the first Spinal Tap MovieLOL I think this is exactly what Lemmy means by "twiddling". But I wonder what he would think of a more traditional "twiddler" such as Wes Montgomery or Joe Pass?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2007 at 01:18
John McLaughlin is THE twiddler

then Petrucci
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2007 at 02:43
I call it w**kery.
 
And even though Mclaughlin is a twiddler, he's good at it.Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2007 at 03:21
^ there are few things people can say about music that disgust me ... this is one of them. IMO people saying that aren't worthy of listening to good music, as they are instrumental in destroying music itself.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2007 at 03:58
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ there are few things people can say about music that disgust me ... this is one of them. IMO people saying that aren't worthy of listening to good music, as they are instrumental in destroying music itself.
 
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Back the truck up! By definition, w**kery is not good music. It is gratuitous use of excessive playing for the satisfaction of the player. Note that I never accused anyone of this, although I did call Mclaughlin a twiddler, but not in a perjorative sense (because I love the guy's work).
 
So before you tell me I'm "not worthy of listening to good music" and am "instrumental in destroying music itself", I will say that anyone who encourages unneccessary use of meandering, unmelodic, excessive "w**kery" is doing exactly that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2007 at 04:13
This is what I call w**kery: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-4keLWn_VM
Mindless use of hackneyed techniques played fast in order to look better than you are. Sure, some people are great at improv. but most aren't.
 
BTW, I don't consider most of the stuff on this site "w**kery", bar some Prog. Metal and Jazz Fusion -and those are some of my favourite genres.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2007 at 04:23
^ even if you think that the music is mindless, pointless, stupid or dull ... still no reason to call the musician a w**ker.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2007 at 04:28
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ even if you think that the music is mindless, pointless, stupid or dull ... still no reason to call the musician a w**ker.
 
Well actually I didn't. To exhibit stupidity does not mean you are neccesarily stupid.
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