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DallasBryan
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Topic: 70's French Posted: March 17 2007 at 12:03 |
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So, I have 23 albums out of 76 listed above, heard about half of the rest, so I guess it's plenty for me to explore in this particular scene, except I do not like Jean-Michel Jarre...
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Good list... Some rarities: Jacques thollot/ Quand le son devient aigu, jeter la girafe a la mer (futura 1971) Avant garde jazz prog in Wyatt vein, especially the vocals. Nino Ferrer/ Métronomie (1971) |
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DallasBryan
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thanks for those olly, i have the Jacques Thollot, will search out the Metronomie
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oliverstoned
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Clearlight/Forever blowing bubbles (1975) Cosmic rock masterpiece Heldon/It's always rock'n'roll (1974) Techically their best IMO Alain Markusfeld/Le son tombé du ciel (1971) early spacerock Edited by oliverstoned - March 17 2007 at 14:09 |
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oliverstoned
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Available here: http://www.amazon.com/Metronomie-Veritables-Varietes-Nino-Ferrer/dp/B000007WWN/ref=sr_1_1/104-2724150-8954355?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1174150641&sr=8-1 Edited by oliverstoned - March 17 2007 at 12:58 |
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Beautiful list. Got ca. 50 of these. Love pretty much all of them. (Malicorne and Atoll is not up my alley).
I'll add some favorites of mine: Kha-Ym: 10″ G.M.T. [MIO 013] A super rarity, Kha-Ym was a duo that released their only album in 1979, a fantastic, accessible avant-prog record that never reached the audience it deserved. After the death of drummer Jacky Michaud, the multi-instrumentalist Alain Gerber put down his instruments and abandoned his musical career. The music shares similarities with Ange, Houppin/Torgue, Dan ar Bras, Carpe Deim, Grime, and Gwendal but is VERY unique and very original. Highly recommended! Avant Music News Eider Stellaire Rahmann Jean Cohen-Solal Laurent Thibault Brigitte Fontaine George Jinda Artcane Roland Bocquet Edited by Rocktopus - March 17 2007 at 13:49 |
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
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I didn't realise there was more than one Potemkine record. excellent list with some stuff I'm yet to hear
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oliverstoned
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We also have a lot of underground bands such as "Ame son", Cheval fou, Coeur magique, Most of you know "Ma banlieue flasque", Le grand nébuleux, Crium delirium, Chêne noir, not to name them all.
I'm also very interested in Clivage: "Gnosis: Mike McLatchey 24-April-2001 overview Andre Fertier's Clivage is one of the most impressive, unheralded, French ensembles. Finding themselves in no-man's land betwixt Indian music, jazz, drone and progressive rock styles, the ensemble created three fascinating albums well worth the attention of those who seek music that falls in the cracks between genres. The group's debut album is probably their signature statement. Featuring four long tracks, Regina Astris sets the stage for this ensemble's mesmerizing music. Instrumentally, the rhythm section is based on Armand Lemal's perucssion and Patricio Villaruel's tablas, upon which Fertier (guitar and keys), Jean Pierre de Barba (sax), Claude Duhaut (bass), and Mahmoud Tabrizizadeh (violin) weave a spellbinding tapestry, a sound that is reminiscent of Shakti, Archimedes Badkar, Oriental Wind, Aktuala and other similar groups where jazz meets the east. The drone stylings of the raga-esque music give the overall feel a trancy atmosphere where a drone is set up, and over the course of each piece, a build up slowly emerges where the instrumentalists improvise over the rhythms, continuing to advance the intensity of each piece. It ends up being over all too quickly, a virtual delight transcending several genres that should appeal to fans of east-meets-west music. The group's second album, Mixtus Orbis, continues from the first while expanding the line-up to incorporate a much wider instrumental palate. Jean Querlier joins on oboe, sax and flute, as well as two string bass players, two celloists, second tabla player Michel Delaporte, drummer Claude Salmieri and soprano Brigitte Toulson. The large ensemble infused a more classical symphonic feel to the music which, strangely enough, reminds me of Gil Evans work with (and without) Miles Davis merged with Visions of the Emerald Beyond/Apocalypse-era Mahavishnu Orchestra. The move away from the trance/drone states of Regina Astris is, perhaps, less transcendant and absorbing than the prior effort, but, at the same time, it is good to see Fertier move the music into completely new directions. But, for Side 2, and the three-part suite "Fatoum Astris," familiar territories are once again visited with a return to the tabla-impelled trance structures. The finale, "Youssoufia," combines chanting, vocals and virtuoso oboe to point at the ensemble's final release. Clivage's third album was recorded about five years after the group's second album and by this time, they had moved to shorter pieces and a smaller ensemble of Fertier, Quelier, Tabrizizadeh, Villaroel and bassist Christian Gentet. They still show the penchant for bringing in multi-ethnic influences, although there is a strong move towards concise and jazzy structure, and while the tablas are still involved, they seem less of a driving impetus. There are some vocals, singing and chanting, and quite often the band reaches the peaks of Regina Astris, although not as consistently. The greater presence of fretless bass adds a different timbral presence, especially close to the middle of the album's nine tracks. It is perhaps the album's instrumental diversity that is its strength, as the long, trancy compostions of the early years have been totally refined here. While Regina Astris remains the band's finest moment, all three albums are worth checking out. The different variations of the east meets west mosaic on these is a pleasure to behold. " Read carefully this one: "Discography Regina Astris (77) Mixtus Orbis (79) Kassiopee (85) Reviews The band Clivage released three albums in the late seventies. Some of the most fascinating progressive music defies description, and Regina Astris is certainly one of those. Clivage's music fits into the same mold as artists such as Third Ear Band, Between, Alain Markusfeld and Aktuala. The music is very Eastern influenced and holds much in common with those bands due to the raga like atmosphere. The instrumentation is quite diverse with violin, tablas (and related percussion), acoustic guitar, sax, and string synthesizer (not often common in similar musics.) Symphonic fans may not care too much about this, and it could easily be written off as being "new age," but this is far more innovative and unusual. The bands mentioned before are a pretty good pointer, chances are if you like them you'll like this. Excellent." Edited by oliverstoned - March 17 2007 at 14:13 |
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oliverstoned
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Indeed, i prefer Tim Blake over JMJ (in the same style). Edited by oliverstoned - March 17 2007 at 14:05 |
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Rocktopus
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Coeur magique - Never heard of these.
Clivage's two first are exceptional! Their third is also good. Very good overview text. |
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Over land and under ashes
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exhaustive list but you should avoid mentionning JM Jarre, this guy makes mediocre music for TV commercials and supermarket, that's all! I've included him in prog related rather than progressive electronic but I would prefer to eject his page from the site |
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oliverstoned
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Another band missing on PA... |
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DallasBryan
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equinoxe and oxygene are part of the cornerstones to french electronic scene, kosmiche muzik and progressive electronic rock as a awhole. SORRY, THE FRENCH HAVE AS MANY HANG UPS AS THE ENGLISH AND AMERICANS. hey, i dont like rush and i think canterbury is WAY over-hyped, but we live with it. i understand the french dislike for jarre, but internationally he represents the genre as an entry point. lighten up its not a big deal!
yes. phil collins put out alot of commercial trash, as well as many others, check out elp's love beach! steely dan is supermarket music in the usa, i understand your pain. Edited by DallasBryan - March 17 2007 at 16:57 |
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Also Bise de Buse should be mentionned here - their album "Joue sa Musique" is excellent example of chamber prog.
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Anyone else been listening to this one much. I was listening to it quite heavily a few weeks ago. Review might be a little shifty as it has been translated from German:
Anyone know how close the ties between Komintern and these guys are? Pleasure to see Urban Sax on the list Red Noise - Sarcelles - Lochères Talk Noise developed in May 1968 in the midst of student unrests in Paris. Their first concert gave those to volume in the Sorbonne occupied by the students and usually was events polarizing strongly the appearances of the group with their radical and aggressive mixture from psychedelischem skirt, agitativen texts and Free jazz (skirt), which were usually terminated by the police. Two years later, in the meantime had been exchanged saxophonist and Schlagzeuger, the volume down had somewhat calmed and their musical material had refined. With the guest musicians John Livengood (organ - see also Spacecraft) and Austine Blue (Perkussion) played talk Noise 1970 their first and only album, which belongs reliably to the most interesting LPs of the early French Progs. “Sarcelles - Locheres” consists of two very different halves. The former first side of the LP (TRACK 1-11) offers shorter numbers, which between strange Liedchen, to psychedelischen Songs à la Syd bar-save, to relaxed jazz skirt, sounding and Tonbandkollagen, informal rem experimenting, Scherzgeklampfe, free and “normal” jazz and driving Psychedelikrock and varies (every now and then also within a piece). The second LP side took against it the long “Sarcelles c'est l'avenir”, a rather wild jazzig rockig psychedelischer Jam, in which guitar, bass, Schlagzeug, organ, Sax and flute complex durcheinanderpurzeln, intensively voranrocken, freely there-improvises and nearly cosmic krautig dahinmäandern. Indeed the piece e.g. reminds the Frenchmen still another trace of some contemporaneous productions from Germany, of Xhol caravan, Annexus Quam or the early embryos, but is more violent and diagonal to course. Madly! Who estimates Psychedeli, the sound experiments of the late 60's and early 70's, Krautiges and jazz (skirt), which should borrow “Sarcelles - Locheres” once its ear! The LP appeared 2002 also on CD. In connection with “Sarcelles - Locheres” are mentioned still two further albums. Once is there 1971 published “Le bal you advice mort” the formation Komintern, which has to offer quite similar sounds. Komintern became of Serge Catalano (Schlagzeug) and Francis Lemonnier (Sax) based, to first occupation about talk Noise belonged, the group however 1970 left. For it Jean Claude Cenci and Philip Barry came too talk Noise. The second album is busy the only solo album talk Noise guitarist Patrick Vian - “Bruits et temps analogues” (1976) - on that the Frenchman in quite interesting and varied way with electronic sound producers. Unfortunately both disks (as far as I know) did not appear so far on CD. |
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Komintern is alittle more late 60's Zappa-ish, psychedelic gypsies but both are in the same ballpark. if you like Red Noise, which has more angular hornplay you will like Komintern. two good examples of early french psychedelic avant garde jazz. both contain influences of zappa, and some soft machine and gong school also hinting at krautrock bizarreness, but overall stand on their own for original composition.
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A good list from my particular favourite prog-producing country.
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I'm a big fan of Ange (which has given some people ammunition in serving my head back to me on a platter when I've commented on this national scene), so I was surprised to see a solo album by Francis Decamps.
Can you tell me how it compares to Ange's work from that time ? One thing I find unfortunate, but not in a bad way, is that with such a varied scene, one cannot go around from one group to another in comparisons such as is possible with the 70s Italian Symph Prog Scene. But then, in a country where one band invented a genre & its' own language, it should be expected that many different strands or subgenres would surface instead of a monolithic scene ( again example - Italian Symph Prog, but that's not to say that Italian groups did not put out music of other prog genres) |
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Do you know the very first Ange, "Caricatures" (1972)? The opener piece is pure KC! Komintern, Red noise, Barricade represent a peculiar stream among the french scene. These bands were at the extreme-left politically speaking and it's obvious through the textual dimension. They were also products of May 68 events. In a similar musical vein, there's also "Camizole", "Etron fou leloublan" in the RIO genre, inspired by SM and Zappa. Edited by oliverstoned - March 18 2007 at 07:14 |
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