70's French
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Topic: 70's French
Posted By: DallasBryan
Subject: 70's French
Date Posted: March 17 2007 at 12:03
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Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: March 17 2007 at 12:36
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So, I have 23 albums out of 76 listed above, heard about half of the rest, so I guess it's plenty for me to explore in this particular scene, except I do not like Jean-Michel Jarre... ------------- carefulwiththataxe |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: March 17 2007 at 12:50
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Good list... Some rarities: Jacques thollot/ Quand le son devient aigu, jeter la girafe a la mer (futura 1971) Avant garde jazz prog in Wyatt vein, especially the vocals. 
Nino Ferrer/ Métronomie (1971) 
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Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: March 17 2007 at 12:55
thanks for those olly, i have the Jacques Thollot, will search out the Metronomie
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oliverstoned wrote:Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: March 17 2007 at 12:56
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Clearlight/Forever blowing bubbles (1975) Cosmic rock masterpiece 
Heldon/It's always rock'n'roll (1974) Techically their best IMO 
Alain Markusfeld/Le son tombé du ciel (1971) early spacerock 
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: March 17 2007 at 12:58
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Available here: http://www.amazon.com/Metronomie-Veritables-Varietes-Nino-Ferrer/dp/B000007WWN/ref=sr_1_1/104-2724150-8954355?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1174150641&sr=8-1 - http://www.amazon.com/Metronomie-Veritables-Varietes-Nino-Ferrer/dp/B000007WWN/ref=sr_1_1/104-2724150-8954355?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1174150641&sr=8-1 |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: March 17 2007 at 13:43
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Beautiful list. Got ca. 50 of these. Love pretty much all of them. (Malicorne and Atoll is not up my alley). I'll add some favorites of mine:   http://filbeypop.free.fr/VINYLDISCOG/flvm%20records%20label.html - Kha-Ym: 10″ G.M.T . [MIO 013] A super rarity, Kha-Ym was a duo that released their only album in 1979, a fantastic, accessible avant-prog record that never reached the audience it deserved. After the death of drummer Jacky Michaud, the multi-instrumentalist Alain Gerber put down his instruments and abandoned his musical career. The music shares similarities with Ange, Houppin/Torgue, Dan ar Bras, Carpe Deim, Grime, and Gwendal but is VERY unique and very original. Highly recommended! Avant Music News   Eider Stellaire  Rahmann   Jean Cohen-Solal  Laurent Thibault  Brigitte Fontaine  http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/george_jinda - George Jinda  Artcane  http://www.groovecollector.com/item/1/0-1112-1201-1-0/110332786/roland-bocquet-paradia.html - Roland Bocquet ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: March 17 2007 at 13:47
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I didn't realise there was more than one Potemkine record. excellent list with some stuff I'm yet to hear
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: March 17 2007 at 13:53
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We also have a lot of underground bands such as "Ame son", Cheval fou, Coeur magique, Most of you know "Ma banlieue flasque", Le grand nébuleux, Crium delirium, Chêne noir, not to name them all.
I'm also very interested in Clivage: 
"Gnosis: Mike McLatchey 24-April-2001 overview Andre Fertier's Clivage is one of the most impressive, unheralded, French ensembles. Finding themselves in no-man's land betwixt Indian music, jazz, drone and progressive rock styles, the ensemble created three fascinating albums well worth the attention of those who seek music that falls in the cracks between genres. The group's debut album is probably their signature statement. Featuring four long tracks, Regina Astris sets the stage for this ensemble's mesmerizing music. Instrumentally, the rhythm section is based on Armand Lemal's perucssion and Patricio Villaruel's tablas, upon which Fertier (guitar and keys), Jean Pierre de Barba (sax), Claude Duhaut (bass), and Mahmoud Tabrizizadeh (violin) weave a spellbinding tapestry, a sound that is reminiscent of Shakti, Archimedes Badkar, Oriental Wind, Aktuala and other similar groups where jazz meets the east. The drone stylings of the raga-esque music give the overall feel a trancy atmosphere where a drone is set up, and over the course of each piece, a build up slowly emerges where the instrumentalists improvise over the rhythms, continuing to advance the intensity of each piece. It ends up being over all too quickly, a virtual delight transcending several genres that should appeal to fans of east-meets-west music. The group's second album, Mixtus Orbis, continues from the first while expanding the line-up to incorporate a much wider instrumental palate. Jean Querlier joins on oboe, sax and flute, as well as two string bass players, two celloists, second tabla player Michel Delaporte, drummer Claude Salmieri and soprano Brigitte Toulson. The large ensemble infused a more classical symphonic feel to the music which, strangely enough, reminds me of Gil Evans work with (and without) Miles Davis merged with Visions of the Emerald Beyond/Apocalypse-era Mahavishnu Orchestra. The move away from the trance/drone states of Regina Astris is, perhaps, less transcendant and absorbing than the prior effort, but, at the same time, it is good to see Fertier move the music into completely new directions. But, for Side 2, and the three-part suite "Fatoum Astris," familiar territories are once again visited with a return to the tabla-impelled trance structures. The finale, "Youssoufia," combines chanting, vocals and virtuoso oboe to point at the ensemble's final release. Clivage's third album was recorded about five years after the group's second album and by this time, they had moved to shorter pieces and a smaller ensemble of Fertier, Quelier, Tabrizizadeh, Villaroel and bassist Christian Gentet. They still show the penchant for bringing in multi-ethnic influences, although there is a strong move towards concise and jazzy structure, and while the tablas are still involved, they seem less of a driving impetus. There are some vocals, singing and chanting, and quite often the band reaches the peaks of Regina Astris, although not as consistently. The greater presence of fretless bass adds a different timbral presence, especially close to the middle of the album's nine tracks. It is perhaps the album's instrumental diversity that is its strength, as the long, trancy compostions of the early years have been totally refined here. While Regina Astris remains the band's finest moment, all three albums are worth checking out. The different variations of the east meets west mosaic on these is a pleasure to behold. " Read carefully this one: "Discography Regina Astris (77) Mixtus Orbis (79) Kassiopee (85) Reviews The band Clivage released three albums in the late seventies. Some of the most fascinating progressive music defies description, and Regina Astris is certainly one of those. Clivage's music fits into the same mold as artists such as Third Ear Band, Between, Alain Markusfeld and Aktuala. The music is very Eastern influenced and holds much in common with those bands due to the raga like atmosphere. The instrumentation is quite diverse with violin, tablas (and related percussion), acoustic guitar, sax, and string synthesizer (not often common in similar musics.) Symphonic fans may not care too much about this, and it could easily be written off as being "new age," but this is far more innovative and unusual. The bands mentioned before are a pretty good pointer, chances are if you like them you'll like this. Excellent."  
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: March 17 2007 at 14:04
Indeed, i prefer Tim Blake over JMJ (in the same style). |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: March 17 2007 at 14:07
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Coeur magique - Never heard of these. Clivage's two first are exceptional! Their third is also good. Very good overview text. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: March 17 2007 at 14:08
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exhaustive list but you should avoid mentionning JM Jarre, this guy makes mediocre music for TV commercials and supermarket, that's all! I've included him in prog related rather than progressive electronic but I would prefer to eject his page from the site ------------- 
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: March 17 2007 at 14:15
Another band missing on PA... |
Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: March 17 2007 at 16:54
equinoxe and oxygene are part of the cornerstones to french electronic scene, kosmiche muzik and progressive electronic rock as a awhole. SORRY, THE FRENCH HAVE AS MANY HANG UPS AS THE ENGLISH AND AMERICANS. hey, i dont like rush and i think canterbury is WAY over-hyped, but we live with it. i understand the french dislike for jarre, but internationally he represents the genre as an entry point. lighten up its not a big deal!
 yes. phil collins put out alot of commercial trash, as well as many others, check out elp's love beach! steely dan is supermarket music in the usa, i understand your pain.
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Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: March 17 2007 at 17:02
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Also Bise de Buse should be mentionned here - their album "Joue sa Musique" is excellent example of chamber prog.
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Posted By: Apsalar
Date Posted: March 17 2007 at 17:29
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Anyone else been listening to this one much. I was listening to it quite heavily a few weeks ago. Review might be a little shifty as it has been translated from German:
Anyone know how close the ties between Komintern and these guys are? Pleasure to see Urban Sax on the list 
Red Noise - Sarcelles - Lochères 
Talk Noise developed in May 1968 in the midst of student unrests in Paris. Their first concert gave those to volume in the Sorbonne occupied by the students and usually was events polarizing strongly the appearances of the group with their radical and aggressive mixture from psychedelischem skirt, agitativen texts and Free jazz (skirt), which were usually terminated by the police. Two years later, in the meantime had been exchanged saxophonist and Schlagzeuger, the volume down had somewhat calmed and their musical material had refined. With the guest musicians John Livengood (organ - see also Spacecraft) and Austine Blue (Perkussion) played talk Noise 1970 their first and only album, which belongs reliably to the most interesting LPs of the early French Progs. “Sarcelles - Locheres” consists of two very different halves. The former first side of the LP (TRACK 1-11) offers shorter numbers, which between strange Liedchen, to psychedelischen Songs à la Syd bar-save, to relaxed jazz skirt, sounding and Tonbandkollagen, informal rem experimenting, Scherzgeklampfe, free and “normal” jazz and driving Psychedelikrock and varies (every now and then also within a piece). The second LP side took against it the long “Sarcelles c'est l'avenir”, a rather wild jazzig rockig psychedelischer Jam, in which guitar, bass, Schlagzeug, organ, Sax and flute complex durcheinanderpurzeln, intensively voranrocken, freely there-improvises and nearly cosmic krautig dahinmäandern. Indeed the piece e.g. reminds the Frenchmen still another trace of some contemporaneous productions from Germany, of Xhol caravan, Annexus Quam or the early embryos, but is more violent and diagonal to course. Madly! Who estimates Psychedeli, the sound experiments of the late 60's and early 70's, Krautiges and jazz (skirt), which should borrow “Sarcelles - Locheres” once its ear! The LP appeared 2002 also on CD. In connection with “Sarcelles - Locheres” are mentioned still two further albums. Once is there 1971 published “Le bal you advice mort” the formation Komintern, which has to offer quite similar sounds. Komintern became of Serge Catalano (Schlagzeug) and Francis Lemonnier (Sax) based, to first occupation about talk Noise belonged, the group however 1970 left. For it Jean Claude Cenci and Philip Barry came too talk Noise. The second album is busy the only solo album talk Noise guitarist Patrick Vian - “Bruits et temps analogues” (1976) - on that the Frenchman in quite interesting and varied way with electronic sound producers. Unfortunately both disks (as far as I know) did not appear so far on CD. |
Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: March 17 2007 at 20:43
| Komintern is alittle more late 60's Zappa-ish, psychedelic gypsies but both are in the same ballpark. if you like Red Noise, which has more angular hornplay you will like Komintern. two good examples of early french psychedelic avant garde jazz. both contain influences of zappa, and some soft machine and gong school also hinting at krautrock bizarreness, but overall stand on their own for original composition. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 17 2007 at 21:04
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A good list from my particular favourite prog-producing country.
------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 17 2007 at 23:10
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I'm a big fan of Ange (which has given some people ammunition in serving my head back to me on a platter when I've commented on this national scene), so I was surprised to see a solo album by Francis Decamps. Can you tell me how it compares to Ange's work from that time ? One thing I find unfortunate, but not in a bad way, is that with such a varied scene, one cannot go around from one group to another in comparisons such as is possible with the 70s Italian Symph Prog Scene. But then, in a country where one band invented a genre & its' own language, it should be expected that many different strands or subgenres would surface instead of a monolithic scene ( again example - Italian Symph Prog, but that's not to say that Italian groups did not put out music of other prog genres) |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 03:54
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Do you know the very first Ange, "Caricatures" (1972)? The opener piece is pure KC! 
Komintern, Red noise, Barricade represent a peculiar stream among the french scene. These bands were at the extreme-left politically speaking and it's obvious through the textual dimension. They were also products of May 68 events. In a similar musical vein, there's also "Camizole", "Etron fou leloublan" in the RIO genre, inspired by SM and Zappa. 
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 09:42
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Various records... Melmoth/La devanture des ivresses (Grand prix de l'académie Charles Cros 1969) Dashiell Hedayat 
Wapassou (1974) 
Crium delirium Live 1972/1975 "Power to the carottes" 
Alain Markusfeld Le désert noir(1977) 
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 14:15
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Transit Express is another obscure band. They were working for mainstream pop progressive singer Yves Simon. They did 3 jazzrock prog records, with "Opus progressif" in 1976. Excellent musicians. 
You can hear extracts here: This is quite close to Mahavisnu at times. http://www.121music.com/pages/cd12/transit_express.html - http://www.121music.com/pages/cd12/transit_express.html |
Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 16:03
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great thread. Like always learning great new things - Thanks all for the info, learned about several new bands.
My list would include many of those you already mentioned and some others:
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2846 - ALPES & CATHERINE RIBEIRO* , http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1558 - ALPHA CENTAURY , http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2571 - AME SON , http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=595 - ANGE , http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1142 - ANOXIE (not that good, but if this thread has become inclusive then why not mention them?), http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=900 - APHÉLANDRA , http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=771 - ARACHNOÏD , http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1098 - ARCHAÏA (again, I don't particularly like them, but I know several who regard this highly)., http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=858 - ART ZOYD , http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1514 - ARTCANE , http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=528 - ASIA MINOR (their first was in 79, no?), http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=580 - ATOLL , http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2766 - BESOMBES, PHILIPPE , http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=843 - CARPE DIEM , http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2626 - CATHARSIS (really nice psych act), http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2844 - CHÊNE NOIR (I added them recently, still active today), http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=62 - CLEARLIGHT , http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=671 - DÜN (nevermind the album release date, they were active in the 70's), http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1519 - EDITION SPÉCIALE , http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1089 - ESKATON (again the first one is from the late 70's), http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=999 - ETRON FOU LELOUBLAN , http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2736 - FLAMEN DIALIS (not too amazing, but still worth a mention), http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1302 - HELDON ,
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2836 - HORDE CATALYTIQUE POUR LA FIN (again, not something I am too keen of), http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1669 - HONEYELK , http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2813 - KOMINTERN (I recently added them and wrote a review, love those guys), http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1603 - LARD FREE , http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2482 - MARKUSFELD, ALAIN (know him thanks to Dallas), http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2733 - MEMORIANCE (suggested them to the symphonic team, very nice two albums), http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1889 - METABOLISME (not a terribly impressive album, but good nonetheless).,
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=249 - MONA LISA , http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2749 - MOSAÏC (another addition, like them quite a lot), http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1469 - MOVING GELATINE PLATES (thanks to Alucard for this one), http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2738 - PATAPHONIE (another addition, thanks to Yuko for this one), http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1993 - PINHAS, RICHARD , http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2094 - PONTY, JEAN-LUC , http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1203 - POTEMKINE (love the reissues with all their output). http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=291 - PULSAR (for some reason I like them less than other people), http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=992 - RAHMANN (thanks to Rocktopus), http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=970 - RIPAILLE (it's a very nice record, but I don't agree with some glaring reviews of this I read), http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=741 - SANDROSE (Micky loves this one as well), http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=798 - SHYLOCK , http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2487 - PACECRAFT , http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1946 - TRAVELLING (this is lovely music), http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1311 - TRIODE (another one being always mentioned as benig derivative, but I like it nonethelss), http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2770 - VERTO (pretty weird, but still a nice "ride"), http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2745 - VORTEX (what a great release is their two albums in one case), http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2544 - WAPASSOU (thanks to Hugues for this one), http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1090 - ZAO (oh and Magma...)
As for other non-PA bands:
Nemo (the 70's one), Crium Delirium, Red Noise, Camizole, Barricade, and maybe Urban Sax, Ma Banlieu Flasque (thanks to Martin), Mahogany Brain, Maajun/Mahjun, Speed Limit (super group), Ometaxalia et Bucchi, Oniris, Troisieme Rive (nice folky/rock tunes), Ocarinah, Semool (although, this is a very diversive album, some see it as a masterpiece/ahead of its time while others as a joke), Booz, Francois Breant, Kha Ym (thanks to Rocktopus), Cohen-Solal, Clivage and there are probably more...
For French speaking people, this site is quite nice and informative - http://neospheres.free.fr/rockfr/index.htm - http://neospheres.free.fr/rockfr/index.htm
So, DB, now that you see others mentioning the same bands that I talk about and want to add, would you mind telling us which Meaningless bands I am flooding PA with?
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 22:10
Actually, the responses to this thread are very helpful in guiding a person who is just beginning to explore such a diverse scene. The short reviews posted make it a great starting point, where one can then delve further on PA if an artist catches your eye. Hopefully, further posts will expand on the bands you too have listed above. I find it easier to learn about something new, if I can have access to several viewpoints at the beginning. That's the beauty of community, one can see what others think, and use it as one chooses for guidance. That's how I accumulated what little knowledge I have about computers, by having two friends participate in a friendly debates on the merits of software, hardware, ISPs etc. P.S. I actually am starting to recognize a few more groups that you are mentioning, with Heldon, Clearlight, Lard Free recently being added to my collection. Having finished trying very hard (but unsuccessfully) to get into VDGG, I have a little bit more listening time now available to finally get into them in depth. Mind you, one compliment to Dallasbryan, the inclusion of album artwork does help in piquing my curiosity about certain groups.  |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 05:44
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Le château d'Hérouville : a mythical place 
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 15:32
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Even Grateful dead played at the Château (in 1971) 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 15:36
I think DB would be wise to take a chill sort of speak...... and I'll second that Assaf... that Sandrose album is still one of favorites of the French 70's scene. Love it.... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 15:39
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...especially the long piece "Underground session chorea...", the most progressive. |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: March 20 2007 at 03:54
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Other ultra rare underground bands: "Alan jack civilization", "Alice", "Laghonia", "Manu Lannhuel",
"Horde catalytique pour la fin". 
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: March 20 2007 at 05:32
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More obscure bands... LE SYSTEME CRAPOUTCHIK EPTA EGREGIE ALEPH EDEN ROSE MAYA NATO TRIPTYQUE VOYAGE BERENICE CHECKERS JEAN COHEN-SOLAL CRISTAL KISS FRANCOIS WERTHEIMER IRIS MELODY MAKERS OPHIUCUS SUBSTANCE GROUPEMENT CULTUREL RENAULT SOLUTION ATHENA ORION CRYSTAL EYES ZEUGMA METABOLISME Eden rose (1970), featuring JP Alarcen 
"Tracklist: On The Way To Eden (5:09), Faster And Faster (3:05), Sad Dream (4:09), Obsession (4:24), Feeling In The Living (4:19), Travelling (3:26), Walking In The Sea (5:29), Reinyet Number (4:34), Under The Sun (2:30) (Bonus Track) Under The Sun was not featured on the original album but was the B-side to the single Travelling Musicians: Jean-Pierre Alarcen (guitar), Henri Garella (keyboards), Michel Jullien (drums), Christian Clairefond (bass)) All tracks were composed by Henri Garella. The album was recorded in Paris (Seine, France) at the studio located at 10 Washington Street in March 1970. Produced by Katema Artistic direction by Richard Gachner For starters one should stress the fact that On the Way To Eden is an instrumental album which has its main focal point the Hammond organ which immediately gives away the period when this album was recorded. Bands termed as proto-progressive such as Procol Harum had pushed this unmistakeable sound forward and Eden Rose, though not very similar to Procol Harum could be coined as such a band. However, they seem to do away with complexities and go straight for the jugular delivering their various tunes in short sharp pieces. At times the music sounds too cliche and almost kitsch-like in nature - yet most of the times it works. The pieces are well executed, so much so that at times one tends to feel that he has heard some of the tunes beforehand. However, one could split the tracks into two distinctive sections. There are those pieces that have a languid feel with the key tune being played out over and over again - literally ramming it down your throat. These are the pieces, such as the opener On the Way To Eden and Walking In The Sea, that somehow do not do it for me. However there are some cleverly crafted works on this album that definitely deserve a mention. Faster And Faster, as its name implies is a well paced piece that has the Hammond and guitar really jostling for the frontline, exchanging licks in between the occasional bass run. Sad Dream is the complete opposite of Faster And Faster. Opening with the theme to children's tune Frere Jacques, this piece is possibly the closest the band get to Procol Harum with the Hammond set to the background as the piano and guitar come forward with plaintive solos, giving the album one of the more dramatic pieces. You could see this piece placed in the soundtrack of one of those tear-jerker films! Pieces like Obsession, Feeling In the Living and the album single Travelling are the reasons why this album is indeed a gem of a release. Here the band seem to let loose playing in a controlled frenzy allowing the various members to express themselves within a concise time frame revolving round a clear melody line. The more I hear these pieces, the more I feel that should this band have had a quality vocalists, they could have gone places. Also featured on On The Way To Eden is the B-side of the only single released by Eden Rose, Under The Sun, which is one of the more psychedelic pieces on the album. Musea have managed (once again!) to unearth a true Forgotten Son. "On The Way To Eden" is not one of those masterpieces that is a must have for progressive rock fans and one has to admit that the music sounds very dated. On the other hand it is an interesting look into the way progressive rock evolved, and indeed how Sandrose came to be. Nigel Camilleri " |
Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: March 20 2007 at 07:19
| thanks olly I find your suggestions to be well researched and easy access in general. |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: March 20 2007 at 08:06
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That's a pleasure dear Bryan to share with you.
The "Eden rose" album is a big classic and is sold at very high price in vinyl conventions. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 20 2007 at 11:21
couldn't agree more ... that's the one that snapped me up from the first listen ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 20 2007 at 11:25
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intreresting write up oliver.... not sure if I can find here in Italy as I'm hitting every album shop I can find hahhaha.. but keeping my eyes open for it. Going to Milan next week where I here they have some great prog album shops.
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 21 2007 at 22:34
Kiss are obscure ??? How can a band sell that much merchandise & be obscure >/ |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 21 2007 at 22:37
Being from Canada, I did a double take when I saw Herouville. For a moment I thought you had missed the X at the end of Herou. As if that Quebec village wasn't already in the news enough lately  |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 08:30
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 10:25
Wonderful band. Wapassou's most beautiful masterpiece is their second: Messe en re Mineur imo:  And this one by Dashiell Hedayat:  ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 10:47
if ever get over my RPI fixation...this is where I'd be heading.. . Unfortunately we discover new bands for RPI all the time  . I love ...LOVE what I've heard of the 70's french stuff.
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 11:27
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70s france is poo...
Compared to 1981 france (Dun - Eros).
EDIT: Oh, wait, forgot about Magma... I'm actually well behind where I wish I was in the French prog scene of the 1970s... |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 26 2007 at 08:21
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The french 70s prog scene is poo......rly served by some of its' most vocal proponents here at PA. At times, it seems like a torrent or choices is offered to the neophyte, when a communally agreed "pantheon" would be better as a starting point. My most obvious examples would be the UK & Italian scenes, where 5 to 10 groups usually constitute the so-called "giants" of their scene, each representing a certain prog subgenre (folk, symph, art, RIO, symph etc...) Now mind you, one thing with the french scene is its' variety. No subgenre really had ever dominated, & apart from what some call "french theathrical rock", the french, while leaders in certain genres, are not usually referred to as inventors or originators. The exception - the singular Magma, which is an exotic & acquired taste. OK, now I'm sitting down to expect the apocolypse of artistic disagreement that I usually incite when making these overly broad generalisations. At least, I'm not denigrating french demi-gods such a Da Gall. But thankfully , I have an Ange looking over me. |
Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: March 26 2007 at 08:53
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I am not sure if I understand exactly what you mean, but why wouldn't you yourself serve it a bit better?
If you don't mind me asking - what is "communally agreed "pantheon" ??? and why it should be better as a starting point ???
I personally like what I know from 70's French scene, and keep exploring it and finding hidden treasures all the time with the help of this particular site.
Do you have any suggestion/recommendations apart from Ange, which I know and love already, or what is the purpose of your post?. ------------- carefulwiththataxe |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 26 2007 at 13:49
I think what I mean to say is that for a neophyte, the proverbial beginner looking to get his/her feet wet, that it is easier to start with more commonly accepted "leaders" or "stars" (I don't mean celebrities, just generally better known acts) in a scene. Most reviews, if they make comparisons, don't tend to compare one group to a more obscure band. For example in the RPI ( which I think means Rock Progressivo Italiano), you may see names like PFM, Le Orme, Banco often along with ELP as reference points. So from there, you may get into Loccando, Maxophone or Alphataurus. These may not be slavish imitators, heck ,they may be way off base comparison wise, but once you have some knowledge of some groups, you can start to explore lesser known groups who may share similarities with those you have started out with. & as you go along, you may stray into more eclectic or experimental genres, as your "connaissance" of comparisons increases. So if you come upon Area, & you see their name mentioned in other reviews, you likely stand a better chance of enjoying the new discovery, if you progress with a certain knowledge of musical kinship among the two artists (if you will). My point is not to say that we slavishly adore or stick to the "big" names, but a "newbie" may find it easier to understand a reference to, say Pink Floyd or King Crimson, than to Farthog Smellingsby (not an actual group), if only for the fact that they are more likely to have heard these groups before. And so, odds are better that they will "get" into that new group than if they simply go by reviews that fawn over the critic's favourite group, without being able to describe the music. WHich you can't do. An MP3 sample will give that info. Words are relatively ineffective. Comparisons, while limited, at least give you a hint, again starting point in helping determine what new treasure you want to explore. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 26 2007 at 15:14
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a chance for someone to show off their knowledge... what can anyone tell me about the group Alice... I guess I can look it up. I'd rather see who knows what, if you know what I mean.
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: March 26 2007 at 18:08
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I've got Alice Arretez Le Monde.From '72 Ìts pleasant, pastoral and not very complex. Prog for the whole family. Think Celeste, Cressida, Camel, PFM's debut and Harmonium. A solid album. Lots of flute. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: March 27 2007 at 04:46
All you are saying here is is perfectly understandable and agreeable with. However it does not explain why "The french 70s prog scene is poo......rly served by some of its' most vocal proponents here at PA" (?).
If you feel that French 70's scene is missing some group of "commonly accepted as being great" bands, you are free to make it up yourself, and it will be as right (or wrong) as any other Big 3, 5, or 7. People tend to make superficial competitions in every field, even in such a subjective and hardly measurable field as Art - they always need (for some resons) to establish for themselves a "champion" or a leading group.
Mind you, making a reference to someone "Big" can sometimes serve your purpose very wrongly. As an example - friend of mine was completely ignoring After Crying because of endless references to ELP (the band he hates) till I gave him a CD-R with "De Profundis" without any information about who it is on it. That's where my friend's great admiration of AC started all of a sudden.
As to the guide for the beginners (oh by the way I know what "neophyte" means) - I know there are plenty of them and I think none is necessary, because with these guides a beginner is heavily imposed to someone's opinion prior to music. In my opinion the best for a beginner would be "try-and-fail" method - at least that's what I do all the time - trying and failing
. Seriously the best guide for me is general opinion of a person, whose musical preferences are more or less known to me, but getting knowledge of someone else's musical tastes, although it happens naturally and hardly noticeably as time goes by, also can be time consuming and would not safeguarde you from mistakes. But it is good to make mistakes as long as you can learn from them.
------------- carefulwiththataxe |