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    Posted: January 22 2006 at 17:36

Over the past while i've been listening to these two albums and I love them both, they are excellent. I can't say which I like more, probably Drama.

I was seriously put off from these two albums as there is so much, er, Drama surrounding them. I had always loved Owner of a Lonely Heart but I never felt the need to dig up the record and give it a good listen. I'm glad I did!

All those bad reviews are SO undeserved. 90125 is not as "prog" as most Yes albums but the strength of the songs and the members of the band make that irrelevant, even the short instrumental "Cinema" is fantastic.

I urge people to open their minds and give these albums fair listens.

Does anyone feel the same way?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2006 at 17:41
I've never had a problem with Drama, though it is a little odd considering the line-up. I've never liked "Owner of a Lonely Heart," and I've sampled some other stuff on that album, and I didn't like it a bit.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2006 at 17:44
I like 90125... so there!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2006 at 17:46

Originally posted by troy troy wrote:

I like 90125... so there!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2006 at 18:37
Drama, I find 90245 a bit too poppy, but both are very good
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2006 at 18:59

I do agree with you, people on this site

Are so preoccupied with hating these

Albums (other albums as well) that they

Never Really respect them as being different.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2006 at 19:29
90125 is a great album.  Nice to see Yes trying something new and fresh.  They couldn't remake CTTE forever.  Drama is also very good.

I don't hate pop by prog bands as much as most, I'm happy when these bands get the commercial due they deserved (Genesis)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2006 at 19:38
90125 is a great album - I love it - I love Drama a bit less though
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2006 at 20:15
one of the great things about Yes....

people talk about not doing album after album of say ... Close to the Edge pt.  2, 3,  or 4.  Yes was always changing album to album, another mark of how great a group Yes were.

After TFTO, which was much like CttE.  You had Relayer, GFTO, Tormato, Drama, and 90125.  People talk about Relayer being an abnormality in Yes's catalog, how about the change,  the evolution over the mid 70's to the mid 80's.  Every one of those albums was completely different from each other, and only GFTO was a throw back of sorts to a previous album.

Both Drama and 90125 are great albums, taken on their own merits. Compare them to CttE and sure they come up short, but what doesn't.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2006 at 20:18

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

one of the great things about Yes....

people talk about not doing album after album of say ... Close to the Edge pt.  2, 3,  or 4.  Yes was always changing album to album, another mark of how great a group Yes were.

After TFTO, which was much like CttE.  You had Relayer, GFTO, Tormato, Drama, and 90125.  People talk about Relayer being an abnormality in Yes's catalog, how about the change,  the evolution over the mid 70's to the mid 80's.  Every one of those albums was completely different from each other, and only GFTO was a throw back of sorts to a previous album.

Both Drama and 90125 are great albums, taken on their own merits. Compare them to CttE and sure they come up short, but what doesn't.

 

  Excellent points. 90.. is a great album and Owner saved Yes from oblivion

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2006 at 20:20

I don't like a single note of 90125, it's not even good POP, it's a hybrid and absolutely mediocre IMO.

If I want to listen good POP I buy Fleetwood Mac, if I wanto get Prog' music I buy Yes. Sounds totally artificial, it's not the music that Yes plays better, you won't ask Duran Duran to play Gates of Delirium because it will suck. I don't ask Yes to play Owner of a Lonely Heart without Steve Howe, because that's not what they do better.

On the other hand Drama is an excellent album, I don't see it like a 100% Yes album, but it's excellent, much better than Going for the One and Tormato if you ask me.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2006 at 20:25
Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

I don't like a single note of Drama, it's not even good POP, it's a hybrid and absolutely mediocre IMO.

You mean 90245

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2006 at 20:32
Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

I don't like a single note of Drama, it's not even good POP, it's a hybrid and absolutely mediocre IMO.

You mean 90245

You mean 90210....sorry 90125, but cheesy TV show and cheesy album, so not a problem if I mix both numbers.

It was a stupid lapsus, sorry, already edited my post.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2006 at 20:33
Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

I don't like a single note of 90125, it's not even good POP, it's a hybrid and absolutely mediocre IMO.

If I want to listen good POP I buy Fleetwood Mac, if I wanto get Prog' music I buy Yes. Sounds totally artificial, it's not the music that Yes plays better, you won't ask Duran Duran to play Gates of Delirium because it will suck. I don't ask Yes to play Owner of a Lonely Heart without Steve Howe, because that's not what they do better.

On the other hand Drama is an excellent album, I don't see it like a 100% Yes album, but it's excellent, much better than Going for the One and Tormato if you ask me.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2006 at 21:36
I do like both, although I much prefer Drama. (Although I do miss Jon) There's a few songs on 90125 that are a bit too much on the poppy side, but Cinema makes up for that!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2006 at 00:42
Drama's decent...


90125 is absolutely horrible...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2006 at 01:07

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Drama's decent...


90125 is absolutely horrible...

Drama is excellent, 90125 is absolutely horrible as you well say but Big Generator is even worst.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2006 at 01:19

track 6 on 90125 is awesome. everything else leaves me cold.

Drama is solid.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2006 at 02:13
I like 90125 and actually, when it first came out, it was refreshing to see Yes actually finding something to do after Tormato and Drama.  I can admit I saw these tours. Drama was the last in the round and it was painful watching that Buggles guy, was it Trevor Rabin, trying to sing through the Yes catalogue.  Actually, 90125 was a good tour. It was good to have Jon Anderson back.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2006 at 05:16

I think they're both great albums, with Drama just coming out on top for me.

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