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    Posted: November 08 2005 at 03:21

I guess everything from MIKE PORTNOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 03:32
Originally posted by YtseJammer YtseJammer wrote:

I guess everything from MIKE PORTNOY IS TOTALLY DERIVATIVE, DEVOID OF SUBTELTY ACCURATE BUT COLD AND HIS SOLOS ARE ABOUT AS INTERESTING AS WATCHING PAINT DRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



That's a bit harsh, isn't it?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 03:59
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by YtseJammer YtseJammer wrote:

I guess everything from MIKE PORTNOY IS TOTALLY DERIVATIVE, DEVOID OF SUBTELTY ACCURATE BUT COLD AND HIS SOLOS ARE ABOUT AS INTERESTING AS WATCHING PAINT DRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



That's a bit harsh, isn't it?

On topic: Best (or rather my fav) performance ever? Probably Elvin Jones on "A Love Supreme".

In prog that would be Danny Carey on "Lateralus" or Richard Christie on Death's "The Sound of Perseverance".

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 04:03

Neil Peart: Bravado.

Anyone on this site who believes they can play it accurately is kidding themselves.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 04:18
Jon Thedore is incredible on  L'via L'via viaquez, Take the veil cerpin taxt and this apperatus must be unearthed
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 04:21

All the best drum performances I've ever heard have come from Neil Peart. Notably, YYZ from ESL, La Villa, Freewill (instrumental section). Predictable I know, but Peart plays with the most precision and is the best at bringing excitement to the music.

Phil Collins is another superb drummer, but he plays with a much different style; far more jazz and laid back than NP, so they are difficult to compare. 

Mike Portnoy is technically supeb, and very powerful, but to me the feel that comes from his playing is that of any 'good' techno metal drummer. He does, in this respect lack originality and diversity.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 04:21
Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

On topic: Best (or rather my fav) performance ever? Probably Elvin Jones on "A Love Supreme".



Elvin Jones is a tremendous drummer.

As it's listed on this site, I'd plump for Billy Cobham's work with the Mahavishnu Orchestra in particular the album Birds of Fire.

And I like Bill Bruford's first album "Feels Good to Me", an album by a drummer without a single drum solo!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 04:21

Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

Jon Thedore is incredible on  L'via L'via viaquez, Take the veil cerpin taxt and this apperatus must be unearthed

Re Portnoy - he doesn't like to solo in the first place and this is why he's so bad at it (although there's a really cool solo by him on http://www.drummerworld.com )

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 04:51
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

All the best drum performances I've ever heard have come from Neil Peart. Notably, YYZ from ESL, La Villa, Freewill (instrumental section). Predictable I know, but Peart plays with the most precision and is the best at bringing excitement to the music.

I heard there's no difference between his drum parts on the albums and live - he plays everything note for note nearly all the time. Could anyone confirm this?

Phil Collins is another superb drummer, but he plays with a much different style; far more jazz and laid back than NP, so they are difficult to compare. 

Beautiful, very 'spatious' playing.

Mike Portnoy is technically supeb, and very powerful, but to me the feel that comes from his playing is that of any 'good' techno metal drummer. He does, in this respect lack originality and diversity.

Well... even of you take bands similar to DT, such as Ark, for example, the difference in drumming styles is quite significant... Explorers' Club (Terry Bozzio on drums) is an even better example, IMO... not to mention Tool and the more extreme tech metal bands - I've already mentioned Death, and none of the band's numerous drummers was anything like Portnoy. Sean Reinert, Gene Hoglan, Richard Christie (yeah, especially Christie) - very different approaches. So it's not like Portnoy has no room to play in a more interesting way because of the genre he chose...  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 05:18

Best Drum Performances:

Bill Bruford: Heart Of The Sunrise, Close To The Edge, The Great Deceiver, Fracture, In The Dead Of Night/By The Light Of Day/Presto Vivace And Reprise, Neurotica 

John Bonham: Dazed & Confused, Immigrant Song, Stairway To Heaven, Kashmir, Nobody's Fault But Mine

Marco Vrolijk: Memories Are New, A Girl Named You, Energy, Pudding & Gisteren(title track), WOW

Nick Mason: Atom Heart Mother Suite, Echoes, Dogs, Pigs, Sheep

Carl Palmer: The Barbarian, Tank, Tarkus(Welcome Back Version), Jerusalem, Toccata, Concerto For Percussion, The Enemy God Dances With The Black Spirits, Food For Your Soul, Bullfrog, Fanfare For The Common Man, Time Again

Mike Portnoy: 6:00, Erotomania, Scarred, A Change Of Seasons Suite, Lines In The Sand, The Dance Of Eternity, The Great Debate

Terry Bozzio: The Only Thing She Needs, Carrying No Cross

Nicholas Barker: Blessings Upon The Throne Of Tyranny, Kings Of The Carnival Creation, IHybrid Stigmata / The Apostasy IndoctriNation, Progenies Of The Great Apocalypse, Allehelgens Død I Helveds Rike, Cataclysm Children

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 05:20
Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

All the best drum performances I've ever heard have come from Neil Peart. Notably, YYZ from ESL, La Villa, Freewill (instrumental section). Predictable I know, but Peart plays with the most precision and is the best at bringing excitement to the music.

I heard there's no difference between his drum parts on the albums and live - he plays everything note for note nearly all the time. Could anyone confirm this?

Phil Collins is another superb drummer, but he plays with a much different style; far more jazz and laid back than NP, so they are difficult to compare. 

Beautiful, very 'spatious' playing.

Mike Portnoy is technically supeb, and very powerful, but to me the feel that comes from his playing is that of any 'good' techno metal drummer. He does, in this respect lack originality and diversity.

Well... even of you take bands similar to DT, such as Ark, for example, the difference in drumming styles is quite significant... Explorers' Club (Terry Bozzio on drums) is an even better example, IMO... not to mention Tool and the more extreme tech metal bands - I've already mentioned Death, and none of the band's numerous drummers was anything like Portnoy. Sean Reinert, Gene Hoglan, Richard Christie (yeah, especially Christie) - very different approaches. So it's not like Portnoy has no room to play in a more interesting way because of the genre he chose...  

Neil Pearts trademark is his precision and his complexity. He does tend to re-produce his drum parts exactly live, with a few minor changes here and there. Whether or not this is a good thing depends on whether or not you favour improvisation over close re-production. I like some improvisation in music, but I have always admired bands that can play as well live as they can in the studio. Some of Neil Pearts fills are incredible, and where some drummers may cut corners live, he will play those fills beat perfect.

There is no doubting the mans skill, but it comes down to what you personally want to hear in a drummer.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 05:27

Jon Hiseman's "Time Machine" - 8+ minutes of pure drums pleasure. Also, anything by the sadly missed Pierre Moerlen.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 05:40
Originally posted by Jeremy Bender Jeremy Bender wrote:

Nicholas Barker: Blessings Upon The Throne Of Tyranny, Kings Of The Carnival Creation, IHybrid Stigmata / The Apostasy IndoctriNation, Progenies Of The Great Apocalypse, Allehelgens Død I Helveds Rike, Cataclysm Children


How can you possibly consider a fully triggered kit and later touched up on computer a good performance? If this is what you consider a good drum performance, then I am easily as good as Barker.  I don't even play drums, but I could make a recording that sounds as good as he does given the same recording eithic. You probably like Opeth too?

(He is a good drummer, I agree, but his recorded work can't really be rated as a performance. All of what you are hearing is quantized and artificially made to sound as clean and precise as it is.)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 06:09

Of course that everything by Neil Peart goes in the fisrt place ... 

I would like to also mention a very underrated drummer here, namely Phil Ehart from Kansas. Just listen to the drum solo from the track "Incomudro - Hymn to the Atman", the best Kansas song ever ...

Very good drummers, although a bit more heavy metal oriented, are also the Appice brothers (Carmine and Vinnie) and Cozy Powell ...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 06:10
Joe Morello, one of those major unsung influences on progressive drummers - check out his work on  Dave Brubeck Quartet Live At Carnegie Hall, especially the deliberately shifting time signatures of his solo Castillian Drums.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 06:21
Originally posted by antibiotic antibiotic wrote:

Originally posted by Jeremy Bender Jeremy Bender wrote:

Nicholas Barker: Blessings Upon The Throne Of Tyranny, Kings Of The Carnival Creation, IHybrid Stigmata / The Apostasy IndoctriNation, Progenies Of The Great Apocalypse, Allehelgens Død I Helveds Rike, Cataclysm Children


How can you possibly consider a fully triggered kit and later touched up on computer a good performance? If this is what you consider a good drum performance, then I am easily as good as Barker.  I don't even play drums, but I could make a recording that sounds as good as he does given the same recording eithic. You probably like Opeth too?

(He is a good drummer, I agree, but his recorded work can't really be rated as a performance. All of what you are hearing is quantized and artificially made to sound as clean and precise as it is.)

Yes, you're right. Thanks for remembering me....

I saw a DVD from Dimmu and he played as fast and precise as on the cd recordings. But hey, maybe it wasn't Nicholas who played but a robot....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 06:24
Do you know any drummers that play in 29/16 time signature...i can only think of one
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 06:36
^^Joe Morello is truely an excellent drummer, it amazes me how using a fairly simple kit, accents and time changes how interesting he can his work sound.

I would say one of the best drummers I have seen would be Neil Peart, I'm not normally a fan of live drum solos but I make a definite exception with Neil Peart





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 06:45
Originally posted by Jeremy Bender Jeremy Bender wrote:

Originally posted by antibiotic antibiotic wrote:

Originally posted by Jeremy Bender Jeremy Bender wrote:

Nicholas Barker: Blessings Upon The Throne Of Tyranny, Kings Of The Carnival Creation, IHybrid Stigmata / The Apostasy IndoctriNation, Progenies Of The Great Apocalypse, Allehelgens Død I Helveds Rike, Cataclysm Children


How can you possibly consider a fully triggered kit and later touched up on computer a good performance? If this is what you consider a good drum performance, then I am easily as good as Barker.  I don't even play drums, but I could make a recording that sounds as good as he does given the same recording eithic. You probably like Opeth too?

(He is a good drummer, I agree, but his recorded work can't really be rated as a performance. All of what you are hearing is quantized and artificially made to sound as clean and precise as it is.)

Yes, you're right. Thanks for remembering me....

I saw a DVD from Dimmu and he played as fast and precise as on the cd recordings. But hey, maybe it wasn't Nicholas who played but a robot....

Precisely. If it can be reproduced accurately enough live, then it is a good performance. Antibiotic, you might as well have complained about the vast majority of the songs on your CDs not being first and only takes.

Following up on that - Blackword, I wasn't trying to question Peart's skill. He obviously has plenty of it if he can reproduce those parts nearly perfectly live. But does that also mean that he (and Lee and Lifeson with him) don't do any live jamming at all?

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 06:56

Have a listen to Steve Gadd's playing on Steely Dan's 'Aja' - he makes most prog drummers seem lame. His touch, feel and creativity are awesome. He was also responsible for that wonderful shuffle on Paul Simon's '50 Ways to Leave Your Lover'. Awesome drummer.

In prog terms - I'll take Bruford and Peart. Very different but both superb players (if only Peart would stop soloing).

I've always though Phil Ehart of Kansas is underrated too and I'm glad to see someone mention Phil Collins - his reputation has been cruelly damaged by his later career. He was a phenomenal drummer, with a really deft touch.

Other standouts from other realms - Jeff Porcaro, Manu Katche and for someone always regarded as the loudest and proudest, John Bonham had a real sensivity in his playing. His timing is awesome and his playing on something like 'Rain Song' is wonderfully subtle.



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