BEST DRUM PERFORMANCE
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Topic: BEST DRUM PERFORMANCE
Posted By: YtseJammer
Subject: BEST DRUM PERFORMANCE
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 03:21
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I guess everything from MIKE PORTNOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 03:32
That's a bit harsh, isn't it?  ------------- 
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
YtseJammer wrote:Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 03:59
On topic: Best (or rather my fav) performance ever? Probably Elvin Jones on "A Love Supreme". In prog that would be Danny Carey on "Lateralus" or Richard Christie on Death's "The Sound of Perseverance". ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 04:03
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Neil Peart: Bravado. Anyone on this site who believes they can play it accurately is kidding themselves. |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 04:18
Jon Thedore is incredible on L'via L'via viaquez, Take the veil cerpin taxt and this apperatus must be unearthed  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 04:21
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All the best drum performances I've ever heard have come from Neil Peart. Notably, YYZ from ESL, La Villa, Freewill (instrumental section). Predictable I know, but Peart plays with the most precision and is the best at bringing excitement to the music. Phil Collins is another superb drummer, but he plays with a much different style; far more jazz and laid back than NP, so they are difficult to compare. Mike Portnoy is technically supeb, and very powerful, but to me the feel that comes from his playing is that of any 'good' techno metal drummer. He does, in this respect lack originality and diversity. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 04:21
Elvin Jones is a tremendous drummer.As it's listed on this site, I'd plump for Billy Cobham's work with the Mahavishnu Orchestra in particular the album Birds of Fire. And I like Bill Bruford's first album "Feels Good to Me", an album by a drummer without a single drum solo! |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 04:21
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Re Portnoy - he doesn't like to solo in the first place and this is why he's so bad at it (although there's a really cool solo by him on http://www.drummerworld.com - http://www.drummerworld.com ) ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 04:51
------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Jeremy Bender
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 05:18
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Best Drum Performances: Bill Bruford: Heart Of The Sunrise, Close To The Edge, The Great Deceiver, Fracture, In The Dead Of Night/By The Light Of Day/Presto Vivace And Reprise, Neurotica John Bonham: Dazed & Confused, Immigrant Song, Stairway To Heaven, Kashmir, Nobody's Fault But Mine Marco Vrolijk: Memories Are New, A Girl Named You, Energy, Pudding & Gisteren(title track), WOW Nick Mason: Atom Heart Mother Suite, Echoes, Dogs, Pigs, Sheep Carl Palmer: The Barbarian, Tank, Tarkus(Welcome Back Version), Jerusalem, Toccata, Concerto For Percussion, The Enemy God Dances With The Black Spirits, Food For Your Soul, Bullfrog, Fanfare For The Common Man, Time Again Mike Portnoy: 6:00, Erotomania, Scarred, A Change Of Seasons Suite, Lines In The Sand, The Dance Of Eternity, The Great Debate Terry Bozzio: The Only Thing She Needs, Carrying No Cross Nicholas Barker: Blessings Upon The Throne Of Tyranny, Kings Of The Carnival Creation, IHybrid Stigmata / The Apostasy IndoctriNation, Progenies Of The Great Apocalypse, Allehelgens Død I Helveds Rike, Cataclysm Children
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 05:20
Neil Pearts trademark is his precision and his complexity. He does tend to re-produce his drum parts exactly live, with a few minor changes here and there. Whether or not this is a good thing depends on whether or not you favour improvisation over close re-production. I like some improvisation in music, but I have always admired bands that can play as well live as they can in the studio. Some of Neil Pearts fills are incredible, and where some drummers may cut corners live, he will play those fills beat perfect. There is no doubting the mans skill, but it comes down to what you personally want to hear in a drummer. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: M. B. Zapelini
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 05:27
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Jon Hiseman's "Time Machine" - 8+ minutes of pure drums pleasure. Also, anything by the sadly missed Pierre Moerlen. ------------- "He's a man of the past and one of the present" PETER HAMMILL |
Posted By: antibiotic
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 05:40
How can you possibly consider a fully triggered kit and later
touched up on computer a good performance? If this is what you consider
a good drum performance, then I am easily as good as Barker. I
don't even play drums, but I could make a recording that sounds as good
as he does given the same recording eithic. You probably like Opeth
too? (He is a good drummer, I agree, but his recorded work can't really
be rated as a performance. All of what you are hearing is quantized and
artificially made to sound as clean and precise as it is.) |
Posted By: misiu
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 06:09
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Of course that everything by Neil Peart goes in the fisrt place ... I would like to also mention a very underrated drummer here, namely Phil Ehart from Kansas. Just listen to the drum solo from the track "Incomudro - Hymn to the Atman", the best Kansas song ever ... Very good drummers, although a bit more heavy metal oriented, are also the Appice brothers (Carmine and Vinnie) and Cozy Powell ... |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 06:10
| Joe Morello, one of those major unsung influences on progressive drummers - check out his work on Dave Brubeck Quartet Live At Carnegie Hall, especially the deliberately shifting time signatures of his solo Castillian Drums. |
Posted By: Jeremy Bender
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 06:21
Yes, you're right. Thanks for remembering me.... I saw a DVD from Dimmu and he played as fast and precise as on the cd recordings. But hey, maybe it wasn't Nicholas who played but a robot.... |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 06:24
Do you know any drummers that play in 29/16 time signature...i can only think of one  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: krusty
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 06:36
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^^Joe Morello is truely an excellent drummer, it amazes me how using a
fairly simple kit, accents and time changes how interesting he can his
work sound. I would say one of the best drummers I have seen would be Neil Peart, I'm not normally a fan of live drum solos but I make a definite exception with Neil Peart  ------------- http://www.humanism.org.uk/site/cms/contentChapterView.asp?chapter=309" rel="nofollow - Humanism |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 06:45
Precisely. If it can be reproduced accurately enough live, then it is a good performance. Antibiotic, you might as well have complained about the vast majority of the songs on your CDs not being first and only takes. Following up on that - Blackword, I wasn't trying to question Peart's skill. He obviously has plenty of it if he can reproduce those parts nearly perfectly live. But does that also mean that he (and Lee and Lifeson with him) don't do any live jamming at all?
------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 06:56
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Have a listen to Steve Gadd's playing on Steely Dan's 'Aja' - he makes most prog drummers seem lame. His touch, feel and creativity are awesome. He was also responsible for that wonderful shuffle on Paul Simon's '50 Ways to Leave Your Lover'. Awesome drummer. In prog terms - I'll take Bruford and Peart. Very different but both superb players (if only Peart would stop soloing). I've always though Phil Ehart of Kansas is underrated too and I'm glad to see someone mention Phil Collins - his reputation has been cruelly damaged by his later career. He was a phenomenal drummer, with a really deft touch. Other standouts from other realms - Jeff Porcaro, Manu Katche and for someone always regarded as the loudest and proudest, John Bonham had a real sensivity in his playing. His timing is awesome and his playing on something like 'Rain Song' is wonderfully subtle. |
Posted By: Cygnus
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 07:50
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Peart is my fav drummer so anything from him would be on my list especialy O Baterista which is the best performance ever heard. Also one of myfavorites is Mark zONDER from fates warning with his unique style... Just listen the Pleasent Shade of Gray album. |
Posted By: ColonelClaypool
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 08:39
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Prog drummers I'd say Neil Peart and Chris Maitland from PT. Metal drummers includes Danny Carey, Cato Bekkevold (Enslaved) and Ed Warby(Ayreon). Gene Hoglan does some amazing work on "Terria" by Devin Townsend as well. One of, if not the best, metal drummers is Hellhammer (Or Jan Axel Blomberg, as his name is) from Mayhem, Arcturus and several other bands. ------------- With magic, you can turn a frog into a prince. With science, you can turn a frog into a Ph.D. and you still have the frog you started with. |
Posted By: Genesisprog
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 08:51
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My favorite drummers are Neil Peart,Phil Collins,Bill Bruford,Carl Palmer,Nick Mason The best ever ------------- Frank Zappa,Pink Floyd,Yes,Genesis,Rush,King Crimson,Jethro Tull,E.L.P,Rick Wakeman -They have one similarity- I Love Them all ! |
Posted By: Xymphony
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 08:57
Terry Bozzio is freak. He is awesome 
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Posted By: Genesisprog
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 09:15
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Terry Bozzio is freak. He is awesome
He is freak and - he is awsome Man youre funny !! ------------- Frank Zappa,Pink Floyd,Yes,Genesis,Rush,King Crimson,Jethro Tull,E.L.P,Rick Wakeman -They have one similarity- I Love Them all ! |
Posted By: Garbs
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 09:35
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3 drumming performances spring to mind instantly :- Bill Bruford - excellent work with King Crimson - especially on Discipline. Phil Collins - check out Three Sides Live (albeit with Chester Thompson) - In The Cage is awesome Neil Peart - basically all this guy's drumming is phenomenal ------------- So here I am once more |
Posted By: bartok
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 09:40
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Pierre Moerlen (Gong) - "Master Builder" Jaki Liebezeit (Can) - "Bel Air"
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 09:42
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As prog drummers, Bruford and Peart - but let's not forget Ian Paice! |
Posted By: Zawinul
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 09:49
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bill bruford and carl palmer are the best in art rock
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 09:50
No not really. I've heard them mess about a bit, but by and large they just play the songs. A lot of their songs started off as studio jams but once laid down in studio they're pretty much set in stone. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 10:11
I'd have to go with Mike Portnoy --- I especially like his work with Neal Morse. 
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Posted By: Persona
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 14:09
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Kirk Covington (Tribal Tech) is greaat!!
------------- Le pregunte, y su sonrisa se desprendio desgarrando al aire. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 14:12
That's a shame about Rush. They do tend to replicate the studio versions and Peart particularly plays the same drum fills. When they do jam a bit (such as on Closer To The Heart - one of the live versions has a great "funky" bit on the end) they're really good. They should do it more. Oh, and my favourite drum performance is probably Heart of the sunrise. |
Posted By: zabriskiepoint
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 15:17
| Dazed and Confused, Stairway to heaven, Bonzo. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 15:19
Mr Bonham - good call, my favourite (non-prog) performances would be In my time of dying and When the levee breaks. |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 15:24
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Let's see performances by the late, great Pierre Moerlen, John
Marshall, Robert Wyatt, Phil Collins, Bill Bruford, and Pip Pyle are
all noteworthy. I am sure there are tons more, but those are the only ones I can think of right now.
------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: BleedingGum
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 15:27
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Collins... Bruford......and.. Bonzo Bonham.... guys.. don't forget: GINGER BAKER !!
------------- ...this is called....BleedingGum ... ! |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 17:17
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Carl Palmer - Toccata (ELP) Alan White - Ann Of Cleves (Rick Wakeman) Bill Ward - Never Say Die (Sabbath) Keith Moon - Baba O'Riley (The Who) Paul Cook - Widows Peak (IQ) Bill Bruford - Red (Crimson) Jon Hiseman - Valentyne Suite (Colosseum) Neil Peart - Tom Sawyer (Rush) Terry Bozzio - Carrying No Cross (UK) John Bonham - Achilles Last Stand (Led Zep) Cozy Powell - Stargazer (Rainbow) Ian Paice - Burn (Purple) Phil Collins - Dukes Travels/End (Genesis) Chester Thompson and Phil Collins - Los Endos (Live) (Genesis) Danny Carey - Schism (Tool) Vangelis - To The Unknown Man Brian Davison - Rondo (The Nice) Corky Laing - Nantucket Seighride (Mountain) Phil Taylor - Overkill (Motorhead)
...wot no Mike Portnoy? |
Posted By: drumsandbass
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 17:32
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Bruford (close to the edge, heart of the sunrise)
Palmer (Tank, Toccata) Paice (Fireball, some others...) Cobham (just about anything off of inner mounting flame!) Bozzio (not sure of any songs but saw an incredible video of him on drummerworld.com) Portnoy ()verture 1928 and Dance Of Eternity) |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 17:34
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Chris Maitland was a good drummer but surely you are referring to Gavin Harrison... http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Gavin_Harrison.html - http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Gavin_Harrison.html
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 17:45
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Carl Palmer's a great drummer, he made Asia's albums after their first half decent ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: Catholic Flame
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 17:59
I agree that Pierre Moerlen was a great drummer. Also, as others have mentioned, Neil Peart. Another great drummer is Paul Motian. He is a jazz drummer but he has done recordings (working in a trio of bass, drum and sax) where he has been the harmonic instrument. With his drums he provided the cord material for the other two instruments to improvise on. So he can not only drive the rhythm he can drive the harmony as well. Of course there is always Ron Bushy. In-a-gadda-da-vida babies.
------------- “Great things are not accomplished by those who yield to trends and fads and popular opinion.” ~Jack Kerouac |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 18:04
ive seen him live 4 times- i can agree with that!!!!!! |
Posted By: ColonelClaypool
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 18:16
I'll stick with Chris Maitland, as I prefer PTs earlier stuff over In Absentia and Deadwing. ------------- With magic, you can turn a frog into a prince. With science, you can turn a frog into a Ph.D. and you still have the frog you started with. |
Posted By: hcnoer
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 19:59
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Bill Bruford: Heart Of The Sunrise ------------- " Jon Anderson is the only man I know who tries to save this planet while living on another" - Rick Wakeman |
Posted By: romanm
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 20:48
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I heard a guy named Fer from a mexican group called Mana , he`s the best drummer ever.
------------- ohh can you feel our souls ignite....... |
Posted By: KeyserSoze
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 21:30
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Paul Craddick on Enchant's A Blueprint Of The World Jon Theodore on The Mars Volta's Frances The Mute |
Posted By: roaryg
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 21:49
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I cant believe this thread got this far without a mention of Billy Cobham.
Original Mahavishnu Orchestra, plus his 70s solo albums which were jazz- rock-prog kind of fusion. ------------- Tim FM, Nash the Slash, Camel |
Posted By: Arteum
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 22:43
| You guys never heard Michi Dei Rossi's performance in LE ORME's 'Sospesi Nell Íncredibile' (first track of "Felona E Sorona")? |
Posted By: ulver982
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 23:27
Good call, Barker is an excellent drummer. Let's not forget Hellhammer! He's awesome on Arcturus' new album. ------------- Improvement makes straight roads, but the crooked roads without improvement, are roads of genius. Silence is the music of the future. |
Posted By: Runaway
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 00:00
Big fav of mine, saw Mana live , awesome. Lets not forget Nick D'Virgilo, Zultan Zsorcz, Lenny White, Stewart Copeland, Chris Maitland, Virgil Donati and...
Dave Weckl!!!! |
Posted By: ulver982
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 00:31
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Drrr, ya I did forget Nick, Zoltan, and Maitland. Maitland so good on Coma Divine, I could jizz my pants just thinking about it! ------------- Improvement makes straight roads, but the crooked roads without improvement, are roads of genius. Silence is the music of the future. |
Posted By: walrus
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 01:00
. They make crap music, believe me, i'm mexican and i know this band since their early days.------------- you and whose army? |
Posted By: Xymphony
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 01:46
Hey Nick Barker is my favourite metal drummer. He is the drum-god. I sometimes can't believe a human can play so PERFECT!!! |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 07:32
Sorry, Tony, I'm with the Colonel on this one - I much prefer Chris Maitland's work with PT; the live album 'Coma Divine' perfectly showcases his percussion work. Pierre Moelin (RIP) - fantastic drummer, especially on 'Gazeuse'. And has anyone mentioned this chap yet?: 
Aaah - bless! Neil Peart at his first drum kit (and apparently in his pyjamas....) 
Who would have guessed this little boy would become the finest rock drummer of his generation? Best performances? Difficult to pick just one, but if I had to choose, I'd probably go for 'O Baterista' for best solo, and the album 'Moving Pictures' for best overall album. -------------
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 03:13
Geddy: "Nice pyjamas, Neil" Neil: "Sod off, big nose!" -------------
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: M. B. Zapelini
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 05:15
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Aren't we forgeting the great B. J. Wilson? He was Jimmy Page's second choice when Led Zeppelin was in formation, after Keith Moon & John Entwistle refused to quit The Who. Page and Wilson are both featured at the first Joe Cocker album, "With a Little Help form my Friends". As far as I know, Wilson did not want to quit Procol Harum and Plant suggested his old mate John Bonham (I have an early recording by The Band of Joy with Plant & Bonham together; Band of Joy's recordings at Plant's anthology "Sixty-Six to Timbuktu" do not feature Bonham). Listen to Wilson playing at the live version of "Conquistador" and see for yourselves how amazing this guy was behind a drum kit. To Jim Garten: nice pics! ------------- "He's a man of the past and one of the present" PETER HAMMILL |
Posted By: Korova
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 07:09
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Bill Bruford- Indiscipline (live) ------------- La Speranza della coscienza è forza La Speranza del sentimento è schiavitù La Speranza del corpo è malattia (G.I. Gurdjieff) |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 07:18
He's a really excellent drummer, check out The Devil's Danceschool , for example. |
Posted By: skarabrae
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 20:54
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I would't say Peart is the best, because at the top level of
playing, they are all the best ... Bruford, Portnoy, Cobham, Weckl, are all "the best". My favorite drummer to listen to ... Neil Peart. I love surgeon like style of playing. He is awesome to watch. I can't stop watching him work at a Rush show. A master. ------------- We who explore, willfully depart absolute reality for a time. |
Posted By: alan_pfeifer
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 21:56
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I find it hard to believe anybody who likes hevier Prog hasn't mentioned Chris Pienne from the Dillinger Escape Plan. Say what you will about the music, but to no recognize his talent is wrong IMO. Anyways, anything by Bruford and Collins, Peart, Cobham, Theodore and Soooo many more. and Elvin Jones is indeed amazing. If you haven't heard the 1st suite of A love Supreme yet, do so. One of the greatest grooves ever recorded. |
Posted By: ldlanberg
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 22:44
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I'd like to add to the performances mentioned for Bill Bruford: "Firth of Fifth" during the 1976 TOTT Tour. At the climax-end of Tony's syntheziser solo, Bill suddenly lets loose like a tightly compressed spring that has been released. (Phil doesn't join with Bruford until a few moments later when Steve begins his solo). It's really wild to listen to. Bruford showcases himself on that track.
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Posted By: Bt-Tor
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 02:21
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Neil Peart - Exit Stage Left; especially on La Villa Strangiato. Tight, crisp up-front recording. Phil Collins - Genesis Live; heavy and wild, especially intro to Hogweed. Mike Portnoy - 6:00 Danny Carey - The Grudge - nice crisp cymbals; like the china crash Ian Mosley - Incubus - nice cymbal work here. Mosley is a great, underrated drummer. Likes his China crash. Also, in Out of this World(One of Marillion's greatest songs) just as the solo kicks in we get so loud crisp hi-hat work, simple but brilliant and emotive!) Jeff Burrows - Any fans of The Tea Party? A really solid drummer. Anything from The Edges of Twilight. A great experimental Canadian rock band that unfortunately never really broke through anywhere else, except Austrialia. |