Boston/Journey

salmacis wrote: No, I don't think these bands should be here at all- the bands like Heep, Styx and Queen tended to be more complex and interesting musically than Boston or Journey. There are exceptions- for example, 'Foreplay' by Boston- but on the whole, it's melodic rock/AOR with little progressive in their catalogues. Not that I don't like these bands- they are great- but I personally find, say, Styx's early A & M albums, Queen's first few albums or Uriah Heep's albums until around 'Firefly' to be as progressive as Genesis in their own right. With Boston and Journey and Foreigner as well, it's mainly straight ahead rock on their albums with perhaps one progressive track.

Well said!

But the first albums (without that awful singer Steve Perry) from Journey are definitely proggier than the AOR radio-friendly late70's and 80's stuff.

They did have Schon and Rollie from the early Santana group and the great Ainsley Dunbar on drums> but I would rather not see them included!

Ok guys, when will we stop asking to include each and every AOR and Alternative band?

People in other forums talk about us as a serious place, but adding Boston and Journey, not to say Foreigner is dangerous for our reputation.

Some people think that being considered Prog is almost an award and feel insulted if we don't add their favorite bands, well being Prog' is not an award it's almost a stigma for 90% of music listeners, and there's a lot of great music in other genres.

I won't go to a POP forum and ask to include Gentle Giant because I like their music, they don't belong there, well Boston, Journey and Foreigner don't belong here.

So keep the bands where they belong.

Sorry if I was rude.

Iván

To Stonebeard, Ivan and Miracle ...

I agree with your general views, because I don't think Journey's overall output belongs here either (and I too think a lot of it sucks, as you can see from my earlier post) ... but I'm just wondering if your views incorporate the excellence of Journey's first album, which was a powerful work of prog

so my basic question is ... have you heard Journey's first album? Of A Lifetime, Kohoutek, Topaz, Mystery Mountain are all songs that would appeal to people who like American style prog (ie early Styx and Kansas' first five albums) ...

If you haven't heard it then you are already way off, because it really is a different band ... and this begs the age-old question ... 

What happens if a band makes a fine progressive rock album and then changes members and goes on to make a large majority of non-prog rubbish but under the same name ...

(the other example I can think of is Australia's Blackfeather ... whoss At The Mountain of Madness was THE first Aussie prog album in 1971, but by 1972, they'd changed almost all their members and played boogie-woogie bar rock and had chart-topping hits) ... (btw, if you're going to reply, please address this point, cos no-one has ever given me a satisfactory answer

here's what AMG said about the Journey one ... btw

Review by Stephen Thomas Erlewine
On its eponymous debut album, Journey was still trying to find its signature sound. They relied too much on prog rock, filling the album with meandering jazz-rock instrumentals that never quite catch fire. Furthermore, their pop songs are ill-formed and lack hooks — in short, they are too mainstream for the progressive audience and too unfocused for the pop audience.

This is a rhetorical question because indeed Prog Archives has already added bands like Uriah Heep, Kansas, Queen, etc. to the site.

Uriah Heep is at least one of the ancestors of Prog-Metal, so they belong here, albums as Look At Yourself (Tears in my Eyes, July Morning, etc), Demons & Wizards or The Magician's Birthday are very prog'.

Kansas are evidently a Prog' band so there's no need to explain them.

Queen: Well I have my doubts.

But even if there are bands that don't belong here, it doesn't make the place better adding more, two mistakes don't make a correct option.

If you step on dog's crap you dont put your other foot on it to make it even, you try to clean the mess or leave it like this until you can solve the problem (I'm not saying Journey or Boston are Dog's crap, it's only an example).

Iván

Trotsky wrote: To Stonebeard, Ivan and Miracle ... I agree with your general views, because I don't think Journey's overall output belongs here either (and I too think a lot of it sucks, as you can see from my earlier post) ... but I'm just wondering if your views incorporate the excellence of Journey's first album, which was a powerful work of prog.

I am basing my opinion (concerning Journey) on the songs "Don't Stop Believin'" and "Lights" alone. I just couldn't bring myself to look further into their catelogue after that.

Not Boston and Journey!!!!!!!!!!! What next, Foreigner???

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