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Oh Roger, Roger, Roger. When will you learn? |
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JD ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 07 2009 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18446 |
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wiz_d_kidd ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 13 2018 Location: EllicottCityMD Status: Offline Points: 1462 |
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I lost all respect for Roger Waters when he couldn't refrain from allowing his acerbic political and social viewpoints infiltrate his music. It destroyed Pink Floyd, at least for me, beginning with Animals.
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lazland ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13804 |
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Interesting. I am not a fan of censorship. No matter what we think of Waters, he has a right to his opinion and there is far too much cancelling of people because the establishment don't agree with certain views. Having said all of that, my opinion on the matter is one of great shame. As a young man, Animals, The Wall, and The Final Cut were a huge influence on me, the former especially setting my personal political journey agenda for many years. Regrettably, I just feel that he has grown into an old tit, and this is regrettable.
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18149 |
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Hi, Roger has the right to say it ... but he has become totally senseless when it comes to making sense and knowing what to say and where. His bit about Ukraine, is in a lot of ways not cool at all, and simply shows someone who is no longer in tune with the pulse of the world out there ... that his own politics are now somewhat sided with those of commercial dictators in search for mor money and loot ... and for this, I have not bought much of anything of his and the last was the disappointing CA IRA, which badly needed a guitar, and some better instrumentation, instead of the fake classical style and totally ... off the mark lyrics ... ! He fights for "freedom in one piece and then turns around in another! It just seems hypocritical to me, and completely out of touch!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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jamesbaldwin ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 25 2015 Location: Milano Status: Offline Points: 6052 |
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I love the ethics that Roger Waters has put into his craft as a musician - the fact that his musical inspiration has waned does not depend on his political views but on the fact that it is physiological as he ages. I especially appreciate Waters' (and Brian Eno's) commitment to the BDS campaign against Israeli settlements. About Syria, Waters has, as always, quite right the criticisms to be made of the West, but probably, according to my information, he has underrated the Syrian and Russian crimes. And even in the case of this war against Ukraine, Waters, unsurprisingly, tends to focus on criticism of the West rather than criticism of Russia.
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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gents ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: December 30 2010 Location: Croatia Status: Offline Points: 89 |
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Reading all that I like more and more Waters and I think we need more people like that specially if someone is right. And I must tell you people that Waters is very right. And who doesn't see that as well, there is no hope for him. That's why he is not playing in Poland. Because of truth.....and thats what people are afraid of.....truth
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suitkees ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 19 2020 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 9050 |
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^ Someone who uses the word "truth" to vent an opinion can never be trusted.
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Hercules ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Near York UK Status: Offline Points: 7024 |
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"And I must tell you people that Waters is very right". Really?? If you can tell me HOW he's right, I'd be very interested to know.
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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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The former USSR's main and only daily, PRAVDA seemingly still has an audience. FYI Pravda means Truth
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I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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He is not right, he is definitely left....and wealthy to boot.
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I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
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someone_else ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: May 02 2008 Location: Going Bananas Status: Offline Points: 24660 |
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And who knows which is which and who is who?
Rather appropriate in this context, methinks. Taken from Us and Them.
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20438 |
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The only time I have disagree with Ol'Rog in the XXIst C, is when he backed up the English fox hunts (Hanging on quiet desperation is the english way) He's absolutely right about NATO being a toxic affair But Putin is an idiot for having dived in head first in this blatant provocation. Boycotting Poland and Hungary is about as sane and safe there is, despite the latter being +/- less on Russia's side (Orban is about as idiotic as Erdogan). Wish that a Polexit and Hungarexit be organized ASAP. |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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It always hurts me to see fellow left wingers siding with somebody like Putin. WTF? There are good reasons to criticise NATO and the Americans, but it should be obvious that Putin is far worse according to what should be left values (and he's admired by fascists and authoritarians all over the world). Nothing of what the man stands for and what his country does should appeal to us. It seems quite clear to me that anti-American/NATO preconceptions lead to a one-sided view that isn't really interested in what goes on in Russia or what the Russians do elsewhere but focuses only on what seems to be wrong on the Western side, and whatever is done against NATO then seems to be justified, regardless of who does it and why, and what the consequences are. Sad! I do think by the way that Roger honestly stands for what he believes in, and this is his right. He should better analyse what is going on though.
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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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Why not focus now on Italy , soon to have unacceptable government ? Perhaps if there would be only Brussels ruling and no more elections, things would be better? sounds very reich-ish to me .....
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I don't know if Waters is necessarily right wing or left wing. At this stage I think he is just a cantankerous old bugger who is very upset that the world isn't the way he would want it to be, particularly after all the finger wagging he's done over the course of his recording career.
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^ I'm with Sean. Unfortunately today my Country has started following the path of Hungary and Poland. I'm undecided about migrating or taking a gun.
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20438 |
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You may want to do that yourself, instead of listening only to Western Nato-ized propaganda. Seriously analyzing what Waters says, rather than dismiss it as old-man-ramblings.
Who is on Putin's side?? ![]() ![]() The I'm just against the toxic side of an organization based in Brussels (I cross path with some of them militaries every day - at the supermarket, for ex) that is brewing trouble and creating enemies for the last two decades in order to survive and justify its existence.... It's very unwise to "attack" Russia (or bait it like NATO did), strategy-wise for the next few centuries, because of the permanent troubles that will be brewing from it but also an ecological and economical catastrophe in terms of the planet's survival. Ukraine is at least guilty of creating the problems in Crimea and Donbass, by doing everything to suppress and repress its Russian minorities since 2009 (look it up if you don't believe me). The worst part is that the same thing is Happening inside NATO and the EC, in Latvia, where the Russian almost-majority is being denied its culture and language. They're becoming second-class citizens in the country where they're born. Yet no-one in the west speaks of these problems, content to look the other way, not seeing these ethnic-cleansing (peacefully-done, though) matters. Furthermore, we should be very careful about how Russia could/will crumble down.... An Arsehole like Putin is necessary to keep it the way it was, even if we don't like it. The last thing we all want is for extreme-east Siberia (Kamchatka & Yakutia) to fall between the greedy paws of the Chinese, who are already invading it (immigration +/- 0.5M/year & colonization of the Russian arctic coast). Those mostly un-tapped natural reserves cannot fall into their grubby hands. Indeed, between the two Russian cities of Irkutsk and Vladivostok, there are hundred of "tribes" that would face extinction like the Ouďgours and Tibetans, under the Han regime (just like the Hans are dominating the Formosa original tribes in Taiwan). Not even mentioning the ores and wildlife of the vastly & mostly empty lands. If you ask a Yakut whether he prefers the Russians or the Hans, no doubt he will say the former. . |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20438 |
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![]() are you writing in small print because you know you're saying something relatively (let's stay polite and not say ![]() Orban is a near-fascist totalitarian: repressing opposition and sexual minorities and other liberties (like Erdogan in Turkey or like Poland is) and he's modified the country's constitution so he stays in power (like Putin & Erdogan or the Chinese communist party). Poland's regime is following suit. And so is Italy, since yesterday. ![]() And your stubborn relentlessness attacks on Verhofstad (a liberal-capitalist) is really weird ![]() ![]() The very same USA-dominated toxic NATO that is currently demolishing the European aeronautical industry by forcing onto Germany, Benelux and others the horrible F-35, a piece of crap that is still unable to fly without crashing. Planes that will be grounded by a satellite, if the US don't want them to be used. Wake-up dude!!! . . Edited by Sean Trane - September 26 2022 at 03:31 |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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