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oliverstoned
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Posted: May 06 2004 at 07:18 |
"but cha don't have to give up hope and ya don't have to give up dope (until you do) and ya don't have to change your ways you just have to be what you are my friends today ... "
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Posted: May 06 2004 at 07:40 |
Not only "spacerock", (a la Gong, Hawkwind, Brain Ticket etc.) is "enhanced" by a state of herbally enduced happiness. Notably,an appreciation of good reggae is particularly improved by the heady atmospere of sweet blue smoke.
This in mind, and harking back to my earlier "prog-friendly non-prog" thread, try "Reggae Fi Dadda", from Linton Kwesi Johnson's brilliant album "Making History".
Tokin' Prog fans who find themselves in Amsterdam should check out Coffee Shop "Pink Floyd" for great sounds to chill out to.
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Posted: May 06 2004 at 07:42 |
oliverstoned wrote:
"but cha don't have to give up hope and ya don't have to give up dope (until you do) and ya don't have to change your ways you just have to be what you are my friends today ... " |
Just listened to that in the car not half an hour ago!!! After the Gong, the Bong!
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Posted: May 06 2004 at 08:18 |
Quote:
" One of my buddies used to make it in the chem lab when we were at university"
Not in the UK either.
After Operation Julie, which busted former Reading University graduates who devised a way of getting higher yields of LSD, UK police by law have to monitor solvent uses in the local university laboratories and other labs - a considerable amount over and above that a PhD chemist's normally needs were used by those guys.
Never felt a need of those drugs - good music always got me high. Arthur Lee & Love managed that 18 months ago reenacting "Forever Changes" live in Leicester, probably the best rock gig I've ever seen - previously held by Beck Boggart & Appice with Flash as support, in the early 70's at Loughborough Uni., (also the last ever venue of the Bonzo Dog Do Dah Band). As a fringe weekend hippy, I watch friends who were paid up proper weekend hippies (i.e. folks who did the weekend happenings, but had a proper day job the rest of the week - but they would get to see early Floyd or Softs), get doped up on a bottle of cough medicine with morphine as the active ingredient, and off to the London underground clubs they would go - and be just about sober at 9am the following Monday. They alway came back with great albums (discovered Touch that way) - but moonlighting in record shop on Saturdays was my passport to underground and the new progressive music.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: May 06 2004 at 09:30 |
raggy wrote:
Not only "spacerock", (a la Gong, Hawkwind, Brain Ticket etc.) is "enhanced" by a state of herbally enduced happiness. Notably,an appreciation of good reggae is particularly improved by the heady atmospere of sweet blue smoke.
This in mind, and harking back to my earlier "prog-friendly non-prog" thread, try "Reggae Fi Dadda", from Linton Kwesi Johnson's brilliant album "Making History".
Tokin' Prog fans who find themselves in Amsterdam should check out Coffee Shop "Pink Floyd" for great sounds to chill out to.
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For me all music are enhanced by "vegetal", even classical
i remember having a great trip on ravel under mushrooms!
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Posted: May 06 2004 at 09:35 |
To Raggy
To pass beyond the countless worlds The eternal wheel The ceaseless tides of selves Ever passing away before your eyes...
All life's light that I've seen... Here before me. . .
Hare hare supermarket ! Hare hare supermarket ! Hare hare hare supermarket ! Hare hare London bus ! Hare hare ladies' lavatory... Hare hare hare hare hare hare... ![mandala](http://www.planetgong.co.uk/framed/mandalas/mandblack.jpg)
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Posted: May 07 2004 at 15:01 |
Yas, indeed! Dub Reggae is the ideal accompaniment to that bag o' sensie... ![](http://members.aol.com/browrob549/emo/cool10.gif)
Watch out for those druggy Gong lyrics, though;
Don't you remember why you came to Everywhere?... The piece of mind that you came to find has disappeared ... For all that you could take was piece of cake and wine ... And now you'll have to wait another time ...
Maybe you're here for the giggle Maybe you're into the puzzle Maybe you're blowing the bubble Maybe you're all in a muddle
The more you know The more you know You don't know what you know...
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Posted: May 07 2004 at 15:45 |
There's a hole in the morning,
It's the holiday you're born in,
and the old man is yaw-aw-awnin'!
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Posted: May 07 2004 at 22:24 |
Jim Garten wrote:
Peter Rideout wrote:
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Gotcha - long have I dreamed of discovering a Peter Rideout spelling mistake; they said it couldn't be done, they said I was mad, they said I was on a fool's errand.
Well here it is, guys - IN YOUR FACE!!
Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha,Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha
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(Adopts Bugs bunny voice) Ugh! Ya got me, pal. It's, it's... gettin' dark -- the lights are going out! I feel... kind of cold! Hold me! I'm scared! I'm too young to die!... Mother!![Dead](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif)
Cue "Death March," then Loony Toons theme.
It must have been Storm's herbs that clouded my mind, oh Lyme of Slyme....
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Posted: May 08 2004 at 00:51 |
The first psychedelic/proto prog' band of Perú Traffic Sound had very druggy lyrics, their music was inspired by Pink Floyd and other psyche bands, but as in the song I copy, they had to hide the lyrics and leave a positive message at the end because in the late 60's we had a Military Government that almost banned Rock with the excuse that it perverted the mind of the young.
Suzette is a cake which is often baked with marihuana.
TIBET' S SUZETTES (You can' t appreciate a gift from God)
Feeling' lonely to starve in Tibet? No, I will not go and let you die. Cease all your pleas and eat my suzettes Gently, guaranteed to get you high.
Feeling' lonely to fly in Tibet? No, I will not go and let you cry. Take all my friends and ten more suzettes, If you need more wings, I will spare a dime.
Feeling' lonely to fight on Tibet? Now I think I will go and let you die. Eat what you kill but no more suzettes, You can' t appreciate a gift from God!
Their earlier lyrics were more evident (like in Meshkalina) because in those years there was a democratic government.
Iván
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Posted: May 14 2004 at 07:30 |
It's the world of illusions and Zero the Hero is up to his ears in the mysteries ... No solution to speak of ... round & round & round & round & round that's Zero going round again ... And maybe you come and maybe you're gone and maybe you're right and maybe you're wrong maybe you're a one and maybe you two and maybe you're free and dunno what for just as long as you're alive it's all the same it's all in the name it's all in the sky and it doesn't really matter if you make it so long as you try So it's back on the path beside the road to everywhere gonna jump my horses over the weeks to everywhere and with you we will share your sack of cares ... and if things don't change for better or worse well man you must be dead but cha don't have to give up hope and ya don't have to give up dope (until you do) and ya don't have to change your ways you just have to be what you are my friends today ... that's what the Octave Doctor says ...
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Posted: May 14 2004 at 09:03 |
Mirror mirror on the wall, who´s the biggest fool of all
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Posted: June 20 2004 at 15:26 |
Just a few venting rants to settle me down :)
1. I have done a lot of things- quite a bit of hallucinogens when I was younger, for instance, and it does tend to make you more receptive emotionally and able to be more observant to subtle details in music. Marijuana can have a lot of effects; I find that it doesn't really increase my enjoyment of good music (any more than it lets me laugh at bad comedians, anyway) but it does often allow me to focus on the music (i.e., "get into it") rather than get distracted by other things. Both ecstasy and alcohol tended to make me less inhibited and thereby much more likely to attempt to dance in my own sad way :)
2. Alcohol is quite a bit worse than marijuana, for your body and for society. This is not pro-pot propaganda, this is statistical and medical fact. Hallucinogens are very dangerous, especially mentally, but when treated with respect they're generally still less dangerous than alcohol! I stay far away from the extreme stimulants (meth, coke, etc) and the extreme depressants (heroin and the other opiates) and I do not encourage or recommend anything to anyone- I can't be responsible, for one thing, and there are honestly a lot of morons out there who can ruin a good thing pretty quickly. LSD and MDMA were once legal here in the US, you know.
3. Stop bashing the Dead! They made some great music and some not-so-good music, but they're not just a hippie drug band. For one thing, the lyrics of Robert Hunter are some of the most vivid and moving narratives ever utilized in modern music. Through the years the Dead managed to combine blues, R&B, psychedelic rock, American folk and bluegrass traditions, experimental free-jazz, and other influences into one of the most distinctive sounds ever. And they stayed pretty true to their ideals throughout their career, which is much more than can be said for some of the greats of the prog genre. You can like 'em or not as you please, but they definitely deserve more general respect.
Ok, I'm done ranting. All this talk has made me nostalgic for my trippy days :/
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Posted: June 20 2004 at 16:02 |
Everyone's in bed now so this just goes to show how sad I am. Ill come back tomorrow but I doubt anyone will be here.
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Posted: June 20 2004 at 16:02 |
James Lee wrote:
2. Alcohol is quite a bit worse than marijuana, for your body and for society.
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Don't underestimate the danger of marijuana... it has been discovered that you can get schizophrenic from smoking a lot of pot...
(not that I'm against marijuana )
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Posted: June 20 2004 at 16:14 |
Yay people!
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Posted: June 20 2004 at 16:15 |
Is Frank smoking dope in that picture?
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Posted: June 20 2004 at 17:12 |
any music recommendations for music during first time mushrooms?
...it's for a friend...
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Posted: June 20 2004 at 17:18 |
James Lee wrote:
2. Alcohol is quite a bit worse than marijuana, for your body and for society.
Very true.
This is not pro-pot propaganda, this is statistical and medical fact. Hallucinogens can be very dangerous, especially mentally, (NOT are - it depends entirely on YOUR mental state, which is something you probably are less aware of than you think, so taking a hallucinogen is like playing Russian roulette with your mind - you MAY find that you are perfectly OK once you've come down, then again, you MAY not. I did a lot of research into them when I experimented with them - there's no way I would eat anything I knew nothing about intentionally! Note that this is not advocay, although our ancestors used mushrooms, cacti and toads over many millenia...) but when treated with respect they're generally still less dangerous than alcohol!
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Posted: June 20 2004 at 19:35 |
Joren:
Schizophrenia is a quantifiable, defined medical condition: it cannot be "caused" by the ingestion of any substance. Perhaps traits "suggestive" of schizophrenia can be caused by various drugs, but drugs don't cause schizophrenia.
5 minute solo:
Is Frank ever not smoking pot? ![](smileys/smiley36.gif)
Goose:
Re mushrooms, I can recommend quite a few groups, not all of them prog. Of the prog groups, early Genesis and early Tull work well. So does Brian Eno's "Ambient" period. For "heavier" music (though you need to gauge yourself here...), try Hendrix, Zep, any classic 60s (Joplin, etc.).
Certif1ed:
Right you are: the reaction of a particular person to the ingestion of any particular "drug" is dependent entirely upon individual metabolism, and one's general psycho-emotional (and, I would argue, spiritual) state. You are also only the second person I know (other than me) who actually researched things before doing them. Except for pot and hash, I researched every drug I took, so I knew how it would affect me biochemically, and what it could and might do - at least to the degree that it is possible to know that from whatever was published at the time.
Most drugs affect the transfer of serotonin between the axons of the brain, which is why it "enhances" the senses. Indeed, the reason that some people who use LSD "smell" colors and "see" sounds, etc., is because the LSD is messing with the sensory signals that are controlled by the serotonin. And because LSD also affects the cerebral cortex and optic centers, this is why many people see "trails" and other visual effects, including auditory and visual hallucinations.
Ultimately, the use of drugs for "recreational," "educational" or other "benign" purposes is, as you suggest, a "crapshoot." One may feel/believe that they will be able to handle the effects of hallucinogens; however, unless one has a very good "sense of themselves" - i.e., honest self-appraisal, humility (yup), and self-awareness vis-a-vis one's psycho-emotional make-up - I would not recommend the use of anything stronger than pot and hash.
Peace.
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