So why do so many of you hate ELP?

I was here loving ELP for a very long time before all this hoopla started.  The reason for the many ELP threads.. or all the ELP bashing and ELP praising came because someone likes to pick on me... and somebody new didn't realize the process and decided to defend ELP and me.  This started a verbal war... and a bunch of over the top messages by a lot of you who decided to join in... because as many of you have said... you just had fun joining in the bashing... but then that led to more praising...

SO otherwise... all of you as usual, created your own hell....

I could care less whether you love or hate ELP.  ELP have proven themselves in history, they have their larels, they support themselves very well... and they will retire as heroes to many, if not any of you.  They don't need your approval, they don't need to "not let you down"...it doesn't matter if you're into keyboards or guitars, or whether you like Greg's voice or Jon Anderson's voice... its all your opinion anyway.. and everyone else will have some agreements or disagreements... its just nature.

And since you all seem to want to know...Do I think ELP are perfect... well maybe sometimes I do... but logically I know they aren't.  I understand their technique more than most of you obviously, I do think that Keith is a keyboard genius, whether or not Cert thinks he's grade whatever, its his compostion that has always appealed to me.  I listen to the piano on Trilogy or Take a Pebble and it literally makes me melt... no classical music does that for me.  Its my opinion... and its my feelings..

Is there stuff by them I don't like... well I didn't like any of the ragtime piano stuff in the beginning, altho I have since become very fond of Jeremy Bender and Benny... still not too big on the Sheriff or Are You Ready, Eddy...  I don't like the Gambler or Love Beach from Love Beach and I'm not to thrilled with Hallowed it be thy Name. Only like BSS, Watching Over You and Father Christmas from Works 2, maybe Tiger in a Spotlight a little... Unlike Richard, I do like all of ELPowell, and I love Black Moon except maybe Paper Blood.. I even like some of In the Hot Seat, even tho that makes most ELP fans cringe...

But I love when people can talk about them bad or good without attacking each other... so thank you Richard for the civilized ELP thread... most appreciative!!

We could always go back to bashing Radiohead, because Radiohead fans have such a better since of humor....

threefates wrote:

I was here loving ELP for a very long time before all this hoopla started.  The reason for the many ELP threads.. or all the ELP bashing and ELP praising came because someone likes to pick on me... and somebody new didn't realize the process and decided to defend ELP and me.  This started a verbal war... and a bunch of over the top messages by a lot of you who decided to join in... because as many of you have said... you just had fun joining in the bashing... but then that led to more praising...

SO otherwise... all of you as usual, created your own hell....

I could care less whether you love or hate ELP.  ELP have proven themselves in history, they have their larels, they support themselves very well... and they will retire as heroes to many, if not any of you.  They don't need your approval, they don't need to "not let you down"...it doesn't matter if you're into keyboards or guitars, or whether you like Greg's voice or Jon Anderson's voice... its all your opinion anyway.. and everyone else will have some agreements or disagreements... its just nature.

And since you all seem to want to know...Do I think ELP are perfect... well maybe sometimes I do... but logically I know they aren't.  I understand their technique more than most of you obviously, I do think that Keith is a keyboard genius, whether or not Cert thinks he's grade whatever, its his compostion that has always appealed to me.  I listen to the piano on Trilogy or Take a Pebble and it literally makes me melt... no classical music does that for me.  Its my opinion... and its my feelings..

Is there stuff by them I don't like... well I didn't like any of the ragtime piano stuff in the beginning, altho I have since become very fond of Jeremy Bender and Benny... still not too big on the Sheriff or Are You Ready, Eddy...  I don't like the Gambler or Love Beach from Love Beach and I'm not to thrilled with Hallowed it be thy Name. Only like BSS, Watching Over You and Father Christmas from Works 2, maybe Tiger in a Spotlight a little... Unlike Richard, I do like all of ELPowell, and I love Black Moon except maybe Paper Blood.. I even like some of In the Hot Seat, even tho that makes most ELP fans cringe...

But I love when people can talk about them bad or good without attacking each other... so thank you Richard for the civilized ELP thread... most appreciative!!

 

 

Good on you Linda Nice to see you proven to people your not fond of certain parts of ELP but don't dislike them completely..I was a bit worried that you might have slammed me in an earlier threat when i said i did'nt like aspects of later ELP & the members as solo artists.You see were not obsessives or we would think absolutly everything ELP related was perfect.

Reed stop picking on Linda you naughty boy

 

Reed Lover wrote: threefates wrote: I was here loving ELP for a very long time before all this hoopla started.  The reason for the many ELP threads.. or all the ELP bashing and ELP praising came because someone likes to pick on me... and somebody new didn't realize the process and decided to defend ELP and me.  Do you genuinely believe I am "picking on you"? Or am I giving you as much as I would anybody else, ie male,on this forum.I rattle your cage and you give as much back.You always come back and I reply,then you go off on one and the cycle continues.But I am NOT targetting you,as such.This is not some male/female thing and it is frustrating because how do I prove it is not.......? I think it is unfair to suggest that I am picking on you,although if you genuinely believe it,then I will stop................ I await your honest reply...........

I geniunely think that you pick on me... and according to the pms I get... I'm not the only one.  Sometimes I enjoy it and I play back with you... sometimes you are downright cruel... and no, you do not do that to others male or female on this site.  Then sometimes you can be geniunely nice to me.  You are truly an enigma...  Thats really how I feel.

threefates wrote: Reed Lover wrote: threefates wrote: I was here loving ELP for a very long time before all this hoopla started.  The reason for the many ELP threads.. or all the ELP bashing and ELP praising came because someone likes to pick on me... and somebody new didn't realize the process and decided to defend ELP and me.  Do you genuinely believe I am "picking on you"? Or am I giving you as much as I would anybody else, ie male,on this forum.I rattle your cage and you give as much back.You always come back and I reply,then you go off on one and the cycle continues.But I am NOT targetting you,as such.This is not some male/female thing and it is frustrating because how do I prove it is not.......? I think it is unfair to suggest that I am picking on you,although if you genuinely believe it,then I will stop................ I await your honest reply........... I geniunely think that you pick on me... and according to the pms I get... I'm not the only one.  Sometimes I enjoy it and I play back with you... sometimes you are downright cruel... and no, you do not do that to others male or female on this site.  Then sometimes you can be geniunely nice to me.  You are truly an enigma...  Thats really how I feel.

Ok,so that basically means I have over done it.I have been very cruel,but so have you,especially as I am not the only one in my household or my extended family who uses/reads the forum.My current baiting is caused by your lack of condemnation of "you-know-who" and the lady who came on and basically said some untruths about the other female forum members.I can be nasty and manipulative in spades especially if I feel slighted and your ingratious reaction to an apology of mine,sparked off a vicious streak that normally abates in hours but has lasted 3 months.I guess it is time to ease off.
I have deliberately "bumped" these ELP threads to bring the Karnevil situation to a head one way or another,as I did with the Wallace "character".Whilst it is not my place to do this,nor the correct "modus operandum" I feel that someone has to. Of all the people to do this it would seem strange that it be me,given that over the last six months quite a few members would gladly have seen the back of me and some still would, nevertheless,that's the way it is.

gdub411 wrote: Pixel pirate will never be able to Read that Reedy!!

Many a truth spoken in jest..... 

Is it working yet?

Reed Lover wrote: Ok,so that basically means I have over done it.I have been very cruel,but so have you,especially as I am not the only one in my household or my extended family who uses/reads the forum.My current baiting is caused by your lack of condemnation of "you-know-who" and the lady who came on and basically said some untruths about the other female forum members.I can be nasty and manipulative in spades especially if I feel slighted and your ingratious reaction to an apology of mine,sparked off a vicious streak that normally abates in hours but has lasted 3 months.I guess it is time to ease off. I have deliberately "bumped" these ELP threads to bring the Karnevil situation to a head one way or another,as I did with the Wallace "character".Whilst it is not my place to do this,nor the correct "modus operandum" I feel that someone has to. Of all the people to do this it would seem strange that it be me,given that over the last six months quite a few members would gladly have seen the back of me and some still would, nevertheless,that's the way it is.

So your current baiting is caused by my lack of condemnation of Karny??  Why would you think I would do that anyway... I've never condemned anyone on this site, not Wallace.. not even you, so why would I start with an avid ELP fan who tries to protect me??  

And what lady came on and said untruths about other female forum members.  The only one I remember is the Khatru person who said she'd noticed that many of the female posters don't post here very often anymore... that seems sort of true to me..  and I don't doubt that that has a lot to do with the constant bickering here...

And you felt slighted by my ingratious reaction to your apology... for saying what you did about me when I was trying to get people to do something for the Tsunami Relief effort, well you admitted you were drunk... and very cruel without at that time, any provocation... to tell you the truth, I didn't know how to respond to you, it was very disconcerting and made me think a little about your stability... so I tried to just ignore the whole situation and resume some normalcy here.  I actually thought about giving a goodbye letter here myself, but I promised myself I wouldn't react like all the whiny guys here...

Also instead of dealing with most of these issues by PMs, you preferred to do it all in the forum. Another reason why I wasn't sure how to react....

And if other than that, I have been cruel to you, I apologize, because that is not in my nature.  and I am not vindictive or spiteful.  So I hope you can accept this as a truce, and please stop trying to hurt me...

Otherwise you'll have to go back to picking on GDub about his sex life or Eddy about his spelling...

Why so so many of you hate ELP?

because ELP hate so many of us!

they prove it by punishing us with their poor music!

hehe sorry Threefates, i am only messin around! i cudnt resist taking up the chance to let rip on ELP! i am still undecided about their debut, some of it was ridiculous and make my ears bleed, some of it was ok and listenable...

threefates wrote: Reed Lover wrote: Karnevil situation to a head one way or another,as I did with the Wallace "character".Whilst it is not my place to do this,nor the correct "modus operandum" I feel that someone has to. Of all the people to do this it would seem strange that it be me,given that over the last six months quite a few members would gladly have seen the back of me and some still would, nevertheless,that's the way it is. .  So I hope you can accept this as a truce, and please stop trying to hurt me... Otherwise you'll have to go back to picking on GDub about his sex life or Eddy about his spelling...

Not trying to hurt anyone.....that's not even the point.I think you are being disingenuous there.

East is East and West is West and never the twain shall meet.......

threefates wrote: I've never condemned anyone on this site, not Wallace.. not even you, so why would I start with an avid ELP fan who tries to protect me??

On the pretext of "defending" you he has sworn at about 25% of the regular contributors on this forum! That is why we would like to see some condemnation!!!

Sooooo,there you have it.I'm the big bad wolf and you are the injured party.
Returning to the "Tsunami" incident-as I have said before I have problems with people who take offence for entire nations.I apologised unreservedly and unless you genuinely feel that I am glad it happened and that thousands were killed your reaction to my apology was f**king disgraceful!

So there we have it.All done in public then any private words cant be twisted or sent without appropriate editing.I may be all the things everyone thinks I am,but at least i am honest.Too f**king honest.