Forum Home Forum Home > Progressive Music Lounges > Prog Music Lounge
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - a way oot
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Topic Closeda way oot

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 2345>
Author
Message
Fragile View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: June 27 2004
Location: Scotland
Status: Offline
Points: 1125
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2005 at 04:27

 

             ............... My ass goodbye

Back to Top
arcer View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: September 01 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 1239
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2005 at 06:29

A final word on wallace and his pecular dialectic (of both prog and diction)

A surfeit of knowledge is only useful if one has the good grace to impart that knowledge with goodwill, understanding and the will to inform and enlighten. Using that knowledge as a stick to beat others with, or as some kind of pointed weapon of oneupmanship is 1. rude and 2. churlish.

Wallace's posts on the forum have by and large been a better educated version  of the some of the reviews other have complained about so vociferously, coming straight from the school of 'your band is sh*te. Why? because I don't like them.' Only in Wallace's case the put downs were also wrapped in a self-satisfied superiority complex - 'your band's sh*te. Why? Because I don't like them and I'm right because I know a lot.'

There are many, many musically well -informed members of the forum who regularly post and offer insight, advice and have a great store of knowledge to draw from - Dick Heath being one but there are others who have given me an education in some of the more obscure corners of prog.

Most of these members impart their knowledge in a friendly, clear, helpful manner. Wallace by contrast chose to set himself up as above all that and simply visited as the great arbiter of taste and one with a particularly obtuse and wayward grasp of Scottish slang.

He might know a lot but if you alienate those who might be seeking some knowledge then all the wise words in the world may as well be screaming in a vaccuum.

He should come back when he's learned some humility and gained a sense of humour - and a grasp of written English

Back to Top
Guests View Drop Down
Forum Guest Group
Forum Guest Group
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2005 at 06:32
arcer - that is the most articulate riposte I have ever read on this site. here here!!

Edited by mandrake
Back to Top
Syzygy View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: December 16 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 7003
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2005 at 06:42
The really objectionable thing about Wallace's sub Irvine Welsh routine, aside from the bizarre mix of dialects and shaky grasp of phonetics, was his failure to grasp that the contributors to this board are international and several of our most prolific posters and reviewers do not have English as a first language. Wallace's posts were heavy going for us native speakers, and from the responses he got I'd guess they were incomprehensible to everyone else. This was pointed out to him by some of the individuals concerned, but he chose to ignore them. If he'd simply been posting stupid jokes on the Mariah Carey thread, fair enough; humour is notoriously difficult to translate. Choosing to post in this deliberately obscure manner in the main discussions was both arrogant and ignorant.
'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'

Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom


Back to Top
Manunkind View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: February 02 2005
Location: Poland
Status: Offline
Points: 2373
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2005 at 06:51

Originally posted by Fragile Fragile wrote:

Aqualung my friend,this guy knows his stuff and can contribute to this forum.Why certain people decided to be rude and nasty towards him is beyond me.

Does he really know his stuff? I know that I applauded his knowledge a page or two ago, and I haven't read all of his posts, but since then I've had my doubts. Throwing around a few obscure names and titles doesn't make you an expert on anything. I can name five great Polish hard/prog - bands of the 70s and 80s that aren't in the archives now (Czeslaw Niemen, Dzamble, Breakout, early Budka Suflera, Exodus) and can recall more if I have the time, but does that make me and expert on them? No way, I've listened to some of their music, but I can't say I know the stuff.

I can list you the names of nearly all Egyptian pharaohs. Does that make me an Egyptologyst? No, I've simply got good books around here and can find a reference within ten minutes.

When I suggested a Devil Doll album as a candidate for his list, he referred to the spiritus movens of that great band as "Doctor Doctor" . It's MISTER Doctor. Sure, he could've been just playing with words, but he didn't use a comma. "He th'Mon", he wrote. If he really th'Mon, then why didn't Wallace remember his name? I think that he only listened to the band once or twice, grew tired of it, but then learned that the name Devil Doll opens many secret doors within the prog community. So he pretended to know 150% about the band and flaunted his "knowledge". He then probably confused Mister Doctor with Major Major (a character from "Catch 22"), another name that serves as a key within some circles. I don't really know.

Besides, contrary to the widespread belief, "obscure" does not have to equal "great". It's not like every band that failed to record an album is THE HOLY GRAIL THAT WILL BRING THE PROG BACK TO PROG. Many of them are simply not worth listening to. 

To end this confusing, overlong (prog ) post, I just want to say that Wallace's "fare-unwell" post has more than a hint of his condescending attitude towards us, thankfully drowned out by his pretentious, artificial language (don't the Irish, not the Scotsmen say "fecking"? Correct me if I'm wrong here). So, sorry, Fragile, Aqualung, but in my opinion the guy half-deserved the hate-posts he got. He alienated the people who don't use English as their first language and most of those who do, too. Luckily, whatever he wrote can be used against him, but I'm not going to be the one to kick a departed horse. 

But what do I know? I'm just a hopelessly lost newbie . 

"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
Back to Top
Manunkind View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: February 02 2005
Location: Poland
Status: Offline
Points: 2373
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2005 at 06:54

Arcer, Mandrake, Syzygy - I missed your posts while writing my behemoth. All of you, well spoken.

"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
Back to Top
Velvetclown View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: February 13 2004
Status: Offline
Points: 8548
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2005 at 06:58
A Scotsman is working at a sewerage. It's a warm day, so he takes off his jacket and drapes it over a handrail - where it slips off into a vast tank of poo!
He's just about to dive in when his mate shouts "It's nae guid tae do that, the jacket's ruined"
He replies "Aye, ah ken, but ma sandwiches are in the pocket"
Back to Top
Syzygy View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: December 16 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 7003
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2005 at 07:02
'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'

Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom


Back to Top
Manunkind View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: February 02 2005
Location: Poland
Status: Offline
Points: 2373
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2005 at 07:03

Originally posted by Velvetclown Velvetclown wrote:

A Scotsman is working at a sewerage. It's a warm day, so he takes off his jacket and drapes it over a handrail - where it slips off into a vast tank of poo!
He's just about to dive in when his mate shouts "It's nae guid tae do that, the jacket's ruined"
He replies "Aye, ah ken, but ma sandwiches are in the pocket"

"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
Back to Top
Jim Garten View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Retired Admin & Razor Guru

Joined: February 02 2004
Location: South England
Status: Offline
Points: 14693
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2005 at 08:03
After all that - still nobody mentioned Porcupine Tree's 'Sleep Of No Dreaming'

Jon Lord 1941 - 2012
Back to Top
Reed Lover View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: July 16 2004
Location: Sao Tome and Pr
Status: Offline
Points: 5187
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2005 at 08:11

Originally posted by Fragile Fragile wrote:

Wallace you enjoy being on here,you obviously enjoy prog/rock music just change your broad use of the auld Scots language a little I'm pretty sure you will be understood.And Reed what are you all about telling the guy to go I thought you would have been above such nonesense.I agree with Wallace in that the list you provided I've hardly heard of any of these and I'd bet London to an orange that you haven't either.Wallace don't know how I forgot Come away Belinda from the Heep's first eponymous lp but tnx for pointing it out.One last point if you are going I'll remember you as the man, who ate the boiled ham raw.

He has warped your tiny, fragile mind !Wink

He offered to go if we could name 40 prog/metal/psyche songs about death.No one else suggested this (well actually that's not strictly true ie "a lie"LOL) He didnt know when to give up with the silly accent-it was funny for about 4.3 seconds or the time it takes to write "f**k off dickhead!Wink




Back to Top
Fragile View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: June 27 2004
Location: Scotland
Status: Offline
Points: 1125
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2005 at 15:29

Reed you can be downright hurtful nothing tiny or fragile about my mind.You all have differing opinions on this and I can both see and understand your reasons for your annoyance.

Back to Top
Reed Lover View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: July 16 2004
Location: Sao Tome and Pr
Status: Offline
Points: 5187
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2005 at 15:41
Originally posted by Fragile Fragile wrote:

Reed you can be downright hurtful nothing tiny or fragile about my mind.You all have differing opinions on this and I can both see and understand your reasons for your annoyance.

All that suggests to me is that you might be the man behind Wallace!Tongue

You do your countrymen a disservice with your hurt!WinkI thought you were all Sassanach Eating behemoths north of the border.You are obviously a half-breed or something!LOL

Its a quote from South Park The Movie BTWCool



Edited by Reed Lover



Back to Top
Velvetclown View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: February 13 2004
Status: Offline
Points: 8548
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2005 at 15:53
Fraggle : Go boil yer head 
Back to Top
Reed Lover View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: July 16 2004
Location: Sao Tome and Pr
Status: Offline
Points: 5187
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2005 at 16:03

Originally posted by Velvetclown Velvetclown wrote:

Fraggle : Go boil yer head 

Velvet speaks !!!!! LOL




Back to Top
Fragile View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: June 27 2004
Location: Scotland
Status: Offline
Points: 1125
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2005 at 18:13
Velvy away an get raffled
Back to Top
Fragile View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: June 27 2004
Location: Scotland
Status: Offline
Points: 1125
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2005 at 18:57

And you Reedy, everyone south of Aberfoyle are Sassenachs(Southern Scots and East coast tergiversators as well) who all joined in with you southerners to try and take our lands.Me, Wallace never, more like Robert the Bruce And another thing no French or Germans in our bloodlines in We Scots; not like you half baked anglofiles.

You bled for Wallace,now bleed for me.

                                                             The Bruce.

Back to Top
Metropolis View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: December 20 2004
Location: Scotland
Status: Offline
Points: 760
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2005 at 05:49
Originally posted by Fragile Fragile wrote:

 East coast tergiversators as well)




We Lost the Skyline............


Back to Top
ShrinkingViolet View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: April 11 2004
Location: Scotland
Status: Offline
Points: 433
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2005 at 05:54
Originally posted by Fragile Fragile wrote:

And you Reedy, everyone south of Aberfoyle are Sassenachs(Southern Scots and East coast tergiversators as well) who all joined in with you southerners to try and take our lands.Me, Wallace never, more like Robert the Bruce And another thing no French or Germans in our bloodlines in We Scots; not like you half baked anglofiles.

You bled for Wallace,now bleed for me.

                                                             The Bruce.

 

 well said fragile , dont ye just feel proud being a scot

I do hope Wallace returns

Back to Top
Reed Lover View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: July 16 2004
Location: Sao Tome and Pr
Status: Offline
Points: 5187
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2005 at 11:03
Originally posted by ShrinkingViolet ShrinkingViolet wrote:

Originally posted by Fragile Fragile wrote:

And you Reedy, everyone south of Aberfoyle are Sassenachs(Southern Scots and East coast tergiversators as well) who all joined in with you southerners to try and take our lands.Me, Wallace never, more like Robert the Bruce And another thing no French or Germans in our bloodlines in We Scots; not like you half baked anglofiles.

You bled for Wallace,now bleed for me.

                                                             The Bruce.

 

 well said fragile , dont ye just feel proud being a scot

I do hope Wallace returns

My grandfather was Scottish.Glasgow born and bred.Tongue

Wallace is about as Scottish as Jack Daniels..............I cant believe you cant see this.Confused




Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 2345>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.219 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.