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Wes_Powell
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Topic: Genesis: Better without Gabriel? Posted: February 03 2005 at 15:29 |
I was looking back over my collection the other night and played a few tunes off Selling England by the Pound and Invisible Touch and I had to admit that I liked the stuff with Phil singing more.Also The 80's production really strikes a chord with me and takes me back to my 80's heyday playing in Cock Rock bands.
Any other Phil>Gabriel believers here?
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Smooth Jazz. It's like real Jazz but better!
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Azrael2112
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 15:30 |
you're joking right? cock-rock?
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Wes_Powell
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 15:34 |
I was in a band called Dame back in the 80's. We mixed some aspects of cock rock with elements of King Crimson and Floyd.
Basically what it meant was that we got to play the complicated worthy music we loved whilst getting to bang smokin hot groupies in hotel Jacuzzi's.
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Azrael2112
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 15:36 |
that brings up an interesting topic, do prog rockers have much of a
"smokin hot groupie" following?
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Wes_Powell
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 15:39 |
Exactly!
Not being the best looking of guys I had to get some tail somehow!
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mirco
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 15:39 |
I can't wait for Ivan's reaction...
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Wes_Powell
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 15:49 |
I think Phil gets an unfair rap myself. His drumming is what made the band in the first place.
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Rob The Plant
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 16:07 |
Wes_Powell wrote:
I think Phil gets an unfair rap myself. His drumming is what made the band in the first place.
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I don't think that his drumming make the band. The Knife is awesome without him, and his voice can only closely mimick Gabriel's standard sining voice. Not to mention he and Rutherford wrote some of the worst lyrics I've ever heard once Hackett left.
Invisible Touch?
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Wes_Powell
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 16:23 |
Ahhh I know you guys are gonna jump on me for it but i just love the smooth 80's production.
I reckon Collins could give Portnoy a run for his money anyday.
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 16:28 |
Wes_Powell wrote:
I was looking back over my collection the other night and played a few tunes off Selling England by the Pound and Invisible Touch and I had to admit that I liked the stuff with Phil singing more.Also The 80's production really strikes a chord with me and takes me back to my 80's heyday playing in Cock Rock bands.
Any other Phil>Gabriel believers here?
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Admit it - you're Patrick Bateman aren't you?
For what it's worth, I think post Gabriel Genesis was pretty good, and Trick of the Tail is probably their strongest studio album (although not my personal favourite).
Post Hackett Genesis was .
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K00l Prog Guruz
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 16:32 |
Post hackett was
PEople like you cant accept change, as COllins says himself:
"YOu don't wear the same clothing everyday"
IT IS A"METAPHOR" FOR THE BAND DOING THE SAME OLD THING ALL THE TIME INCASE YOU HAD NOT NOwn
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"The world is in your hands, now use it." Good'ol Phil
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 16:34 |
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 16:34 |
I can't wait for Ivan's reaction... |
You asked for it Mirco, but it's calmed, because this is not a matter of taste, it's artistic music vs POP SOFT BLAND BALLADS, that have no place in a progressoive Rock forum.
I understand (even when I absolutely disagree) if someone in a progressive rock forum says he likes more ATOTT or W&W because Phil sings better the progressive stuff, or even that¨Phil Collins sings better the Gabriel stuff because this opinion would be only a matter of taste.
But anyone who comes to a progressive rock forum and says Invisible Touch, Illegal Alien or Who Dunnit (Because that's what Wes_Powell is saying) is better than Dancing with The Moonlit Knight, Supper's Ready or The Musical Box, is entitled to his taste, but he would feel more comfortable in a POP forum, like The Phil Collins Paradise or maybe even joining the in the Duran Duran or Michael Jackson's fan club where this opinions are very common.
Iván
PS: Hey Wes_Powell aren't you related to a guy who uses the nick kOOl Prog Guruz?
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 16:56 |
think Phil gets an unfair rap myself. His drumming is what made the band in the first place |
Wow, this one is great, Phil Collins was only a drummer, a good one but nothing else, Peter’ Gabriel’s voice and lyrics, Steve Hackett’s unique guitar and Tony Banks compositions is what made Genesis one of the best prog bands (Sorry for Mike but IMO the bassist could have been almost any one).
Trespass IMHO is a much better album than ant post Gabriel album (Yes, for me it’s better than ATOTT, W&W and even than Selling England), and Phil Collins wasn’t there. I heard the drum parts in Trespass and must say that Genesis would not have changed very much without Collins except for his backing vocals.
Seems that someone is trying to flame or do a bit of trolling.
YOu don't wear the same clothing everyday" |
If Phil Collins compares his music with a simple set of clothes, this gives us an idea how important is the music for him, maybe as vital as a suit or a T-Shirt, whatever provides him more money.
Iván
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 16:59 |
Ivan, like they say in my country: "No fue commigo y me dolió" (it wasn't against me, but hurts me")
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 17:03 |
¿Por que mi amigo? Solo dije lo que pensaba acerca de la comparación entre Invisible Toiuch y SEBTP, sin siquiera alterarme.
Why my friend? I only said what I thought aboutthe comparison between I.T. and SEBP, without even gettinga altered.
Peace
Iván
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 17:08 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
If Phil Collins compares his music with a simple set of clothes, this gives us an idea how important is the music for him, maybe as vital as a suit or a T-Shirt, whatever provides him more money.
Iván |
I meant this quote, lapidary IMHO (and I subscribe it until the last comma!)
Peace to you too, amigo mio...
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 17:08 |
Syzygy wrote:
Wes_Powell wrote:
I was looking back over my collection the other night and played a few tunes off Selling England by the Pound and Invisible Touch and I had to admit that I liked the stuff with Phil singing more.Also The 80's production really strikes a chord with me and takes me back to my 80's heyday playing in Cock Rock bands.
Any other Phil>Gabriel believers here?
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Admit it - you're Patrick Bateman aren't you?
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Sweetnighter
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 17:22 |
What the hell is cock-rock? Do I even want to know?
About post Gabriel Genesis, I have to say that my favorite Genesis
lineup was hackett-banks-rutherford-collins, the lineup that recorded
Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering. But I will go with the
general consensus and say that post-Hackett genesis was very .
I mean for pop, albums like Duke and Abacab aren't bad, but everything
else was garbage, and even judging those albums as prog rock albums,
they suck. So although the quartet was my favorite lineup, the
Gabriel-era genesis material is far better than most of the Collins-era
material.
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 17:27 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
I can't wait for Ivan's reaction... |
You asked for it Mirco, but it's calmed, because this is not a matter of taste, it's artistic music vs POP SOFT BLAND BALLADS, that have no place in a progressoive Rock forum.
I understand (even when I absolutely disagree) if someone in a progressive rock forum says he likes more ATOTT or W&W because Phil sings better the progressive stuff, or even that¨Phil Collins sings better the Gabriel stuff because this opinion would be only a matter of taste.
But anyone who comes to a progressive rock forum and says Invisible Touch, Illegal Alien or Who Dunnit (Because that's what Wes_Powell is saying) is better than Dancing with The Moonlit Knight, Supper's Ready or The Musical Box, is entitled to his taste, but he would feel more comfortable in a POP forum, like The Phil Collins Paradise or maybe even joining the in the Duran Duran or Michael Jackson's fan club where this opinions are very common.
Iván
PS: Hey Wes_Powell aren't you related to a guy who uses the nick kOOl Prog Guruz?
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I need to bookmark this.Thanks for giving me my greatest laugh today Ivan.(And I thought it was only Brits who could do really good patroninsing and condascending put downs).
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