venezuela’s politics knowledge

In my country it is developing a new political situation, that can be potentially dangerous for the whole latinamerica region. I'm interest about knowing the grade of awareness of the rest of the world of this particular state of things. 

This is a little piece of our beloved president's madness:

Racist and Sexist Sunday Sermon: The World According to Hugo Chavez January 23 - On Sunday, only days after Senator Christopher Dodd and Senator Lincoln Chaffee grilled National Security Advisor Condoleeza Rice for her critical views of the Chavez government during a hearing before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez mocked Dr. Rice on state television. Minutes before his comments, a presenter on a Venezuelan government television program had joked that Dr. Rice “wants it badly or is in love with Chavez.” When President Chavez heard the comment, he screamed that he was going to ask “Condolence” for marriage. When the audience screamed, “No”, he yelled: ”too bad she doesn’t know what she’s missing.” As an American citizen, I am deeply offended by President Chavez’s comments. They are not only a mockery of the United States, but of a struggle which has cost many, many lives. Less than half a century ago, a Black woman couldn’t even sit on a bus if a White person was standing. In fact, it was another courageous Black woman, Rosa Parks, who sparked the civil rights movement in the United States. In 1955, a public bus in the state of Alabama was divided in three sections. The seats in the front were reserved for Whites, the seats in the middle for Blacks, and the space in the back for standing was also occupied by Blacks, when the seats were taken. However, if the seats for Blacks were taken, and a White person boarded the bus, then a seated Black person would have to give up their seat for the White person. When Rosa Parks refused to stand and give up her seat, she was arrested. Almost fifty years later, a Black woman is poised to become Secretary of State of the United States. Dr. Condoleeza Rice is a historical figure, and deserves respect as a scholar, a concert pianist, and a woman who has reached the apex of political success. While I do not agree with her government’s foreign policy, I am awed by her strength and courage to sit before the world and defend her views and actions. Unlike President Bush, Dr. Rice is willing to admit that her government has made mistakes, and is willing to make amends. Unlike her predecessor, Dr. Rice seems determined to confront and solve international problems. In the past, President Chavez referred to Dr. Rice as “ignorant and illiterate.” While the Chavez government touts itself as a defender of women, Blacks, and Native Americans, President Chavez on Sunday demonstrated once again that he is both a racist and a sexist. Far from upholding the ideals of the TransAfrica Forum, Danny Glover, Toni Morrison, and others he has enlisted for support, President Chavez only has one goal: to remain in power and undermine the United States in Latin America and everywhere else. Since Venezuela’s new Social Responsibility for Media Content Law does not include the president’s social responsibility towards women and minorities, Venezuela’s children will continue to be taught by the country’s leader to denigrate women. As long as women and minorities are reviled and oppressed anywhere, whether that be in Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, or even the United States, no country will be able to call itself truly free. The US government needs to wake up. President Chavez cannot be allowed to mock Dr. Rice in order to garner internal support, as Senator Dodd would have us believe. If President Chavez wants “sovereignty”, as he constantly demands, then it is time that he start behaving like a president. To support Rosa Parks, the Black community in Alabama organized a bus boycott which eventually led to the desegregation of public transportation. Many people walked miles to work every day, and others volunteered their time to drive people to work. Perhaps it is time to rethink whether Venezuelan oil is worth the cost of insults, and even lives. When principled decisions are taken for the improvement of a nation, miraculous events occur, such as the nomination of Dr. Condoleeza Rice. Alexandra Beech

whats venuzuela??

I live in Perú and we had our own Chavez, his name was Juan Velazco Alvarado, a communist military who started to flirt with Fidel Castro, made an Agrarian Reform that was the end of our agriculture, prohibited to teach English in schools, expropriated all media, banned Rock & Roll, almost caused a war with Chile (They had Pinochet who wasn't an easy guy either) and his wife stole 50% of the country.

He also closed the banks and took all the money, prohibited the dollar, cancelled most passports, etc.

Before his Government we were the N° 1 Country in the world in industrial fishing, even over Japan, he took us to the 98 place. He spent 76' % of the resources of our country in weapons.

Of course he used stupid cliché phrases, like “The land is for those who work it”; "Oppressed people, the rich men would never eat again from your poverty", “It’s the fault of the imperialist Yankees”, “I did it for the poor”, etc. But as every dictator his days ended after a murder attempt where he lost the leg.

The names change but al dictators are the same.

Iván

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Sean Trane wrote: I hope Chavez holds on and wins because venezuela must get out of the US sphere of interest for the sake of the country - being a puppet state of the US is not about to bring decent lifestyle to the vast majority of the citizens. Right now only 3% of the population is filthy rich and 90% filthy poor (nothing to do with Hygiene though).

Chavez 's intention is to make a new soviet state in South America. He is supporting all the leftish sublevations in Bolivia, Ecuador and Perú. He is a Fidel Castro puppet. And right now is about to start a fight with Colombia because Venezuela is a Farc's paradise (FARC are the narc-guerrilla army forces of Colombia). And the saddest thing is that USA don't give a dawn as far as it get oil from Venezuela, and Chavez, despite of his revolutionary speech, is willing to give to Bush all the oil he wants. 

Ivan & Mirco,

Don't get me wrong , I am not a communist sympathyser at all , and I have gone thru South America as a big trip after high school (I was leaving in Canada at the time) back in the early 80's just before the Lightning Path. I started in Caracas and finished in Santiago de Chile so as you can see , I saw a whole bunch of countries and dictatorship (as a tourist not really wanting to meddle in the political side , I thought that the country best run on the continent was Chile under this ugly Pinochet, but I would've not really appreciated living there under that system - I think it should be much better now). If Chavez is forced towards Castro , it is the fault of the US meddling into Venezuela supporting the oligarchy.

Everywhere were happened a revolution beit socialist or communist , it was because people (small but rich) oppressed the vast majority, so in Europe, we think that sharing the wealth makes things better and also improves the economy since the poor are less poor , manage to spend a bit of money and become less of a danger to the wealthy because if not grateful , they have a bit to loose. All the conservateurs (no offence intended if both of you happen to be part of the establishment of your country but I speak in general terms) want is not to lose their position at the top of the pyramid , so they lie , cheat , steal but also kill (or hire to kill) the guys ready to pass them by. Some rich guy in Colombia said that it was the law of nature - hpefully Mankind can change that or else let's go back to the caves.

 

PS : Ivan: I always think your point is very valuable and like reading your reviews.

Behind this surname hides on the most active reviewer but on of the least active Forumer

I put 'no idea', despite knowing something about the situation. On the one hand it appears that Chavez, whatever you may say about him, is the democratic choice of the people of Venezuela. He may not be the best choice, but that much vaunted word freedom includes the freedom not to choose a U.S. style of neo conservative, consumer capitalism driven style of government.

On the other hand, in my day to day work here in London I am involved with the education of (mainly) asylum seekers and refugees. There are some Latin American students in my classes (not seeking asylum, btw) including Venezuelans, and I've yet to meet a Venezuelan with a good word to say about Chavez (or even a printable word, come to that). Frankly, I'm a bit confused by all this - any good links to non patisan articles that could throw some light on it all?

put 'no idea', despite knowing something about the situation. On the one hand it appears that Chavez, whatever you may say about him, is the democratic choice of the people of Venezuela.

Please SZYGY, you live happy and comfortable in a Monarchy with a Parliamentary system that works perfectly, you know nothing about South American reality.

Here  it's easy for a General to take the power by the force and then after they silence all the free media and get absolute control of all the democratic institutions to call a referendum  to vote Yes or No, especially when all the media passes the Yes option advertisement 24 hours a day (with the tax money from the Citizens) and say it's a democratic election. Of course that moron called Jimmy Carter supports all this fake elections.

In this referendums (Which I saw many), TV passes advertisement like this:

1. You're against poverty?.........YES
2. You want social justice?.......YES
3. You want free houses?...........YES
4. You want to have work?.........YES
5. You want Progress?...............YES

THEN VOTE YES

They don’t tell you you're voting for a dictator to perpetuate in the power, they only tell you Say YES for progress. And poor people is taken in trucks to vote in exchange for a sandwich and a coke.

 

In Perú the used some of the more frightening images from The Wall to represent the NO option.

 

THIS IS BULL SH!T

 

By the way, thanks for your good wishes SIGOD, but at least in Perú we have a democratic President and Shinning Path is almost a memory of the past, but there were days in which we said goodbye to our families when going to work, because no one knew if some #revolutionary fighter" will blow the building where you worked.

 

I Know our President is an a$$hole but at least democracy works and he's going to be out in a year.

 

Shane Trane wrote:

Don't get me wrong , I am not a communist sympathyser at all , and I have gone thru South America as a big trip after high school (I was leaving in Canada at the time) back in the early 80's just before the Lightning Path. I started in Caracas and finished in Santiago de Chile so as you can see , I saw a whole bunch of countries and dictatorship (as a tourist not really wanting to meddle in the political side , I thought that the country best run on the continent was Chile under this ugly Pinochet, but I would've not really appreciated living there under that system - I think it should be much better now). If Chavez is forced towards Castro , it is the fault of the US meddling into Venezuela supporting the oligarchy. Everywhere were happened a revolution beit socialist or communist , it was because people (small but rich) oppressed the vast majority, so in Europe, we think that sharing the wealth makes things better and also improves the economy since the poor are less poor , manage to spend a bit of money and become less of a danger to the wealthy because if not grateful , they have a bit to loose. All the conservateurs (no offence intended if both of you happen to be part of the establishment of your country but I speak in general terms) want is not to lose their position at the top of the pyramid , so they lie , cheat , steal but also kill (or hire to kill) the guys ready to pass them by. Some rich guy in Colombia said that it was the law of nature - hpefully Mankind can change that or else let's go back to the caves.

 

Sean, I went to Tibet once but I don't understand Buddhism, a trip through South America doesn't give you enough experience and knowledge to understand our complex political system.

1.- You live in Belgium, where Militaries (If there are) study to defend the country in case of war, in South America all Militaries study how to be President, if they don't like the Government, they simply take the Power, Velazco in Perú, Pinochet in Chile, Stroessner in Paraguay, etc. That's a fact.

 

2.- There is no Oligarchy in South America any more, there are rich and Poor as in any country in the world.

 

3.- I don't work for the establishment, as a matter of fact I'm working for my own because I was asked to resign because I refused to do some illegal movements to fire 500 employees.

 

4.- Communism is not the sharing of wealth, it's the sharing of poverty. Communism failed in almost every country by it's own contradictions.

 

5.- Chavez doesn't have the right to support terrorism in other countries as Fidel Castro did, Shinning Path was trained in Cuba and some Middle East countries.

 

So Please, don’t believe in fairy stories, it’s all dark obscure, sinister politics, nothing more and a good system of propaganda.

 

Thanks for your kind words at the end of your post Sean.

Iván

-The supreme court has raised his member to 32, and 22 of them are loyal to Chavez.

Another classical movement of a Dictator.

In Perú, Alberto Fujimori Fujimori, the Japanese citizen elected President of our country and who closed the Congress (Illegal in our Constitution) and then changed the Constitution to legalize his office and to be re elected once. He was reelected with fraud twice (The loyal Congress made an interpretation saying that he was only elected once with the new Constitution so he could be President once more).

Knowing that the Supreme or Constitutional Court could invalidate this, he added twice the number of Superior Judges with his party members using special powers and promoted them to the Supreme Court and accused two Constitutional Judges of false crimes, so this court couldn'thave a valid session because the Congress (Loyal to Fujimori) never elected those two members.

When the fraud was too evident he took the Presidential plane to Japan and resigned by fax, now the Japanese Government won't give extradition because he's officially Japanese, and the Mother Fu**er has a web page where he announces he's going to be candidate in the next elections, even when he is not Peruvian and when INTERPOL has a warrant in all the world (Except Japan of course) for crimes against humanity.

Our third world is Fantasy Land, anything can happen.

Iván

PS: Hey Mirco, never saw a referendum where the vote in favour of the Dictator  was the NO, was the question a complex formula?

ivan_2068 wrote: PS: Hey Mirco, never saw a referendum where the vote in favour of the Dictator  was the NO, was the question a complex formula?

That was the only thing the opposition achieved, and that because the constitution talks about a revocatory referendum, and the question asked to the voters should be in positive for the remotion of the president and in negative for him to stay. The question was something like: "do you agree with the revocatory of the president, who was elected in fair elections for a period of 6 years?" so yes was for the removal option.