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RUM26 
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Posted: July 11 2005 at 02:16 |
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whats good or bad about dire straights
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Cluster One
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Posted: July 11 2005 at 02:23 |
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Good: The music
Bad: How you spelled Straits
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Marmalade...I like marmalade.
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RUM26
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Posted: July 11 2005 at 02:28 |
LOL!!
i forgot the straits was different to the normal straight.
but about the music, whats your favourite album
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: July 11 2005 at 02:39 |
"Love over gold".
Should this thread be in non-prog music? 
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Snow Dog
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Posted: July 11 2005 at 02:39 |
Straits is as much the normal Straits as Straights! 
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richardh
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Posted: July 11 2005 at 02:41 |
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Boring AOR.Should be in the forum for 'Crap eighties bands'.
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Dragon Phoenix
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Posted: July 11 2005 at 03:00 |
Good: Excellent music, leaning towards prog in some albums. One of my all-time favourite bands. Best album: Love over gold, best song: Private investigations.
Bad: they ran out of steam, should have stopped after the Brothers in Arms album.
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barbs
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Posted: July 11 2005 at 03:13 |
 Eetu Pellonpää wrote:
"Love over gold".
Should this thread be in non-prog music?
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That's my fav album of DS to.
Telegraph road and Private Investigations have a special quality about them in the Dire Straits catalogue IMO.
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Eternity
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Bilek
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Posted: July 11 2005 at 03:28 |
Dragon Phoenix wrote:
Good: Excellent music, leaning towards prog in some albums. One of my all-time favourite bands. Best album: Love over gold, best song: Private investigations.
Bad: they ran out of steam, should have stopped after the Brothers in Arms album.
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They did, indeed. They only released On every street as an original album afterwards, as far as I remember. After that I only heard that Knofpler released some solo albums (which is no different than JT-Ian Anderson relationship anyway), and I obscurely remember another live album in the early nineties. Nothing more.
What am I doing here by the way!?!?!? IMHO Dire Straits is one of those late '70's-early '80's bands, from whom a compilation album is enough for a collector of (prog) rock music. Well, we can add Sultans of Swing and Love over Gold albums as well, but that's it!
About leaning towards prog issue: DS is not the only band in this category, many are. Just think of Doors, Crosby Stills Nash (& Young), Magna Carta, Iron Butterfly, Grateful Dead, and Alice Cooper, Black Sabbath and Rainbow on the heavier side... Average proggers should seek their fortune somewhere else, IMHO
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Paco Fox
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Posted: July 11 2005 at 03:34 |
Dire Straits was the first band of which I really beacame a fan. It's maybe THE most dispised english band between the major rock best sellers (look how they made fun of them even in movies: Full Monty and Shaun of the Dead are two examples). Thanks god, they have a large following in Spain.
The have a couple of proggish records (at least, progger than what other prog groups were releasing around the same years): 'Making Movies' and the already mentioned 'Love Over Gold'. My favourite song is 'Telegraph Road', which incidentally was more or less the song that led me to prog, so it can't be all that bad : Several years ago, a friend asked me about my tastes, and I said Mike Oldfield and Dire Straits. He asked me which Straits song was my fave, and I answer that one. _He went on telliing me to buy 'Thick as a brick' and 'The Snow Goose'. The rest is history...
By the way, it is curious, at least in my country, that many Straits fans are also Oldfield fans (Spain is the country with the biggest Oldfield fanbase). Many of them also end up listening to Yes and so on...
About Mark Knopfler output, well... On Every Street, the follow up album to best seller 'Brothers in Arms' was a dissapointment, although I rather liked his next (solo) album 'Golden Heart'. After that, he has started to make some too american folk influenced records, what is not my cup of tea, although they have received some good reviews (you know: make it simple and gain reviewers recognition). Curiiously, his brother David has been doing the same kind of records from the early 90s, and I like them better.
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BiGi
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Posted: July 11 2005 at 03:55 |
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I completely dislike Mark Knopfler's singing and playing approach...he often sounds like an unsuccessful Bruce Springsteen replica.
And his guitar licks sound too "american country" to me...
(american friends don't get me wrong, but I really dislike country music...)
Last but not least, to me most of his compositions are dull.
Anyway some of their output are not so bad and could easily fit into the "prog" concept (I'm thinking about Telegraph Road, Private investigations and Money for nothing)
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A flower?
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Yurkspb
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Posted: July 11 2005 at 04:27 |
DS is one of my favorite non-prog bands.
I like all their 1978-1982 albums a lot, later works, including Knopfler solo efforts - a little less.
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mono
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Posted: July 11 2005 at 04:47 |
BiGi, I agree with you on the fact that Knofler has lame guitar playing and dull vocals, but his compositions can sometimes be amazing. Telegraph Road is an exceptionnal song, not prog at all, not complex, but original. And quite different from all the eighties crap.
Speaking of eighties crap... Richardh, I'm sure all you know of DS is that they grew in the 80's... I'd say Love over Gold is a 4 stars Album.
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felona
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Posted: July 11 2005 at 05:16 |
FOR WHAT ITS WORTH ... DIRE STRAITS PROVIDED THE SOUNDTRACK TO MY TEENS SO IT HAS A BIT OF A SPECIAL PLACE IN MY MUSICAL JOURNEY.
sorry - caps lock was on - didn't mean to shout at yer all! ... 
I think extended songs like Love over Gold & Private Investigations have some proggy characteristics but not sure if I would call DS a prog band ...
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I was never really sure what I was waiting for. When the moment came I was looking away ......
The Church "After Everything Now This"
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goose
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Posted: July 11 2005 at 05:34 |
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Romeo and Juliet is nice.
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Paco Fox
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Posted: July 11 2005 at 05:44 |
mono wrote:
BiGi, I agree with you on the fact that Knofler has lame guitar playing and dull vocals, |
Mmmm... the vocals are not great, but somehow pleasant to listen to. But I wouldn't say the playing is 'lame'. Knopfler's playing style is at least fairly peculiar and you can instantly recognize it. It's one of those guitarworks that are often cited in reviews. That doesn't mean he is the best player in the world (although I think is one of the best when he finger picks the electric guitar), but that he has a sound of his own, just like Mike Oldfield, David Gilmour, etc.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: July 11 2005 at 05:45 |
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Notable as a band that come out of the latterdays of the UK punk period - surprisingly treated as punk (why: perhaps initially the pundit's couldn't separate punk and pub rock - although neither comes close to pigeonholing DS); for instance, they were represented by a couple of tracks on that classic punk/pub-rock double Live At The Hope & Anchor LP. For some reason, Knopfler's sung line with guitar response, always reminded of Tony Joe White's approach to cajun rock.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: July 11 2005 at 05:49 |
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Mega famous band poular with the more mature age group. Very competent if a little dull and samey. Love Over Gold is a great album though and I hate Sultans Of Swing!
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barbs
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Posted: July 11 2005 at 06:48 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Mega famous band poular with the more mature age group.
Very competent if a little dull and samey. Love Over Gold is a great
album though and I hate Sultans Of Swing! |
Would you include yourself in the more mature age group, Snow Dog?
That usually means, 25kg overweight (to much spotted dick) and losing it on top. 
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Eternity
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Dick Heath
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Posted: July 11 2005 at 06:52 |
barbs wrote:
That usually means, 25kg overweight (to much spotted dick)
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Leave me out of this!!!
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