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Posted: April 14 2004 at 10:45

A plague of Lighthouse-keepers by VDGG

Pantagruels Nativity by Gentle Giant

Gates Of Delerium by Yes

Seven Stones by Genesis

pure prog majesty

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Posted: April 14 2004 at 11:18

Hmmm... maybe 'Mental Medication' by U.K.

but I think that the ones named by Jim Garten are good ones...maybe we leave VdGG out because they don't use Guitars (O.k. Fripp appears here and there) and use a Saxophone instead, not really representative for Prog bands (IMO!!!)

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Posted: April 14 2004 at 11:26

Yeeeeeeeeeesssssss, but UK in later incarnations were without guitars (I think) with the lineup of Wetton/Bozzio/Jobson.

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Posted: April 14 2004 at 11:45

Jim Garten wrote:

Yeeeeeeeeeesssssss, but UK in later incarnations were without guitars (I think) with the lineup of Wetton/Bozzio/Jobson.

that's right...but 'Mental Medication' is with Holdsworth and that's why I love it

I meant the fact that VdGG uses the saxophone instead of the guitar and thats (IMO) unusual for symphonic prog and the symphonic is the most representative one I think...

but by the way, 'a plague of lighthouse keepers' is AWESOME!!!

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Posted: April 14 2004 at 12:41

Have to go with Money or I guess, the entire album of Dark Side. Either that, or WYWH, the actual song.

It's the same guy. Great minds think alike.

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Posted: April 14 2004 at 13:11

"The Knots" by GENTLE GIANT would probably scare him ... but as a technical point of view it is a GOOD representation of what PROG MUSIC is all about

I would go in a 5 steps progression (slowly but surely):

Symphonic Prog 70s (YES or GENESIS)
NEO PROG SYMPHONIC (MARILLION, IQ)
Symphonic Prog mid and late 70s (VAN DER GRAAF, Gentle Giant, UK)
Italian Prog (BANCO DEL MUTUO SOCCORSO, LOCANDA DELLE FATE)
Actual Prog (Anglagard, Dream Theater, Porcupine Tree)
maybe MAGMA

While listening, I would talk to him (or her) about the evolution of the genre !

What do you think ?

Prog On !

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Posted: April 14 2004 at 14:03

I tried to explain when music plays, but at the third minute (it doesn't matter Genesis, Yes, or any prog gem) the reaction is the same: "Nice, but I'm boring"

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Posted: April 14 2004 at 14:06

Marcelo wrote:

I tried to explain when music plays, but at the third minute (it doesn't matter Genesis, Yes, or any prog gem) the reaction is the same: "Nice, but I'm boring"

because they expect the song to be over it's not their beloved 'fast-food-music'

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Posted: April 14 2004 at 14:28

You could also try some more popular prog music. Like the poppy era from Genesis, Marillion, some Dream Theater (when the 'patient' or 'victim' likes metal)

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Posted: April 15 2004 at 01:32

I'll go along with this session for prog starters:

1.- In the Cage - Genesis

2.- Dogs - Pink Floyd

3.- Incubus - Marillion

4.- Otto Pankrock - Grobschnitt

5.- Cliche - Fish

and just that to get him/her hooked up on progressive rock music! haha

break the circle

reset my head

wake the sleepwalker

and i'll wake the dead

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Posted: April 15 2004 at 01:46

landberkdoten wrote:

I'll go along with this session for prog starters:

1.- In the Cage - Genesis

2.- Dogs - Pink Floyd

3.- Incubus - Marillion

4.- Otto Pankrock - Grobschnitt

5.- Cliche - Fish

and just that to get him/her hooked up on progressive rock music! haha

Welcome, Landberk! How is the weather in Mexico? Are you in Mexico City?

Good list -- Marillion and Fish are in good company there!

Bit of a fan, are you?

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Posted: April 15 2004 at 03:26

Marcelo wrote:

I tried to explain when music plays, but at the third minute (it doesn't matter Genesis, Yes, or any prog gem) the reaction is the same: "Nice, but I'm boring"

What I usually get is not 'when is his going to finish?'. I'm usually said: 'When is this going to start?' . The lenghth might put off people at first, but you can explain some themes in form of suite: I've done so with, for example, Tubular Bells: imagine there's a silence every time it seems to change the melody/style or so and that's it. But, when they came to really listening to this music, they really have no patience for it to develop, no patience for build up. It's as if they waited EVERY movie to start and develop as, let's say, Die Hard 3 (non-stop action and the main theme stablished from minute one).

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Posted: April 15 2004 at 12:46

Paco Fox wrote:

But, when they came to really listening to this music, they really have no patience for it to develop, no patience for build up. It's as if they waited EVERY movie to start and develop as, let's say, Die Hard 3 (non-stop action and the main theme stablished from minute one).

Unhappy I know what you mean, Paco. Thanks to the TV remote, and hundreds of channels, attention spans are getting shorter, and we are becoming ever more visually-oriented.

Plus, the arts of conversation, reading and letter writing are being eroded....

(For example, thanks to Internet chat-speak, lots of kids think that "you" is spelled "u"....)

People all over the English-speaking world are adopting the same inane "Carifornia valley-girl/surfer-speak." Culture is being homogenized, and "dumbed down."

But we can fight this with good music, and by reading to our children, as well as for our own pleasure.

Try turning the darned television (and computer) off sometimes, folks!

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Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.

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Posted: April 15 2004 at 13:11

Peter Rideout wrote:

But we can fight this with good music, and by reading to our children, as well as for our own pleasure.

Try turning the darned television (and computer) off sometimes, folks!

But... but... but PETER!

I read for pleasure ON my computer screen. In part.

How else could I keep up on all the wonderful information about ninja wolverines, attack wombats and beavers no longer involved in radio??????????

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Posted: April 15 2004 at 13:36

Peter Rideout wrote:

People all over the English-speaking world are adopting the same inane "Carifornia valley-girl/surfer-speak." Culture is being homogenized, and "dumbed down."

Maybe it's kind of interesting for you that this development can be found in other languages as well. I can report about this development for the german language. Due to the internet/chat language and some expressions coming from TV shows and chart-music also settle down in our language. I often hear my brother saying 'LOL' instead of laughing Many expressions tend to be spoken english and not german...expressions coming out of TV series or chart music are wrepped in our normal life. And the main area are commercials, they use those expressions to address young people because they often just understand this kind of language because the original one is maybe to boring...

I really wondered about the fact that nobody in our class could understand Goethe's Faust even though it is german language maybe the same with Shakespeare for example...

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Posted: April 15 2004 at 14:25

i think that prog is so wide to hear it in one song, but if you want to know a little bit, choose randomlly any record of king Crimson or Van der graaf Generator

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Posted: April 16 2004 at 03:19

diddy wrote:

I often hear my brother saying 'LOL' instead of laughing

Oh, thanks! At last I learn what that damn world means, after several years rerading it in every internet forum around the net!!! . I sometimes think some non english speaking people are starting to write more proper english than some teenagers. Not me, of course.

But, back to prog, I think that Peter is right: the key is the shortening of attention spans. Prog needs actually being listened to, not just 'heard'. And it requieres patience.

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Posted: April 16 2004 at 11:34

I was driving my daughter to school one day, an hour ride, listening to Transatlantic. She kept looking at the CD player in the dash and then she'd look at me. Three, four times. Finally she said, "When is that song gonna end?" I started laughing, nearly peed myself. 'Course I catch her singing "June" one day. All is not lost, Peter.

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Posted: April 16 2004 at 13:15

danbo wrote:

I was driving my daughter to school one day, an hour ride, listening to Transatlantic. She kept looking at the CD player in the dash and then she'd look at me. Three, four times. Finally she said, "When is that song gonna end?" I started laughing, nearly peed myself. 'Course I catch her singing "June" one day. All is not lost, Peter.

Yeah, I know, Danbo. As a former highschool teacher, I've met lots of great teens. They're not all brainless, inarticulate thugs!

To put it in perspective: I've read Roman writings from the year 200 wherin the writer is complaining about youth having no respect for their elders, and being violent, and contributing to a rise in crime, as well as English Victorian novels that echo the same concerns. Stern Smile

Ermm It seems as if each generation of teens comes up with fashions, slang, music and attitudes to shock/offend/irritate their elders -- but civilization has yet to collapse....

I wonder what the kids of todays kids will listen to, to drive their gangsta rap and death metal-loving parents crazy? Classical? Peter, Paul and Mary?