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If my name was SW, I would take it down for lack of respect for the art form and still think this is the 1960's and 1970's when "singles" were mandatory, and time showed that was BS ... and still is ... but more money is made from the singles than the albums at this point ... I imagine! Too many kids only spend 99 Cents, not more for an album!


I downloaded the "Disconnected Version" from Steven's Website. What's wrong with it? Strange to think of it as "singles" ...
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

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I downloaded the "Disconnected Version" from Steven's Website. What's wrong with it? Strange to think of it as "singles" ...

Hi,

When I heard them, I finally realized that they were all from the large piece, broken down into small parts ... thus making them look like singles ... 

Now that I think about it, it might be a good commercial idea, and probably sell more "singles" than the album/CD itself. But it it were my piece, I would not allow that to be done to my piece. It's like you are buying a piece of art, and someone else has the other part ... just not for me!

One either respects the composition or one doesn't. And I am worried that the Internet couldn't careless about art or a piece of music ... and like Mike Rutherford stated, his children don't want the long cuts. They wanted the single their friends have and they don't care who the band is! 

Goodbye progressive music ... we only wanted the singles now, Mike! Cry

For me, Mike, this was the same thing that happened in 1972 when the radio stations received (for example) a banded version of Close To The Edge, so the station might (at least) play some of it ... but in those days we bought the albums, so the hint, might have been OK, but the idea was horrible. You would not allow Beethoven's 5th to be slit up! Or any other classical music ... or you simply don't think that the stuff we like does not belong in the music history at all ... it's just singles and crap after all! Very scary thought in my book! Confused


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^ I don't care about singles at all ... IMHO progressive music is about studio albums and EPs, and that's what my website also focuses on.

But what does that have to do with The Overview? Except for the Objects: Meanwhile video on YouTube, there are no "singles" from that album available anywhere. 
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ I don't care about singles at all ... IMHO progressive music is about studio albums and EPs, and that's what my website also focuses on.

But what does that have to do with The Overview? Except for the Objects: Meanwhile video on YouTube, there are no "singles" from that album available anywhere. 

Hi,

Glad to hear you say that about singles.

The location on the toob is the one that had all the small pieces listed. My comment was more of a joke, but in the end, "progressive" started with a break from the commercial thing, that was dominated by singles on the AM radio dial in America. The FM radio in America busted that wide open, and it wasn't until the end of the 1970's when a whole bunch of corporate entities bought out all the FM stations (they were mostly independent, so not surprised to see some folks cash out!!!) ... and it became what it is today ... "classical rock", or the same rotation of the 50 bands they have some ownership of!

I guess, that with your help and most everyone here, that we would be able to break that ... but I think that we have to stand up for the music a bit more ... though at our age, fighting is often a lost cause and we lack the strength for it ... so all that is left is some hope that things can improve ... but seeing more long pieces broken up in parts is very scary for me, and a return to the bad things in the past that many record companies did because they knew no one would fight them ... or stand up for the "music" ... it was just another piece of money for them ... had little to do with music!
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^ it's not uncommon for bands to break down their 2 track albums into seperate songs and offer that as an alternative. Norwegian band Infringement did that last year with Black Science and White Lies. It's entirely a commercial decision connected to streaming revenue as they are paid per song streamed. Ie it can ultimately increase the streaming revenue 5 times if there are 10 tracks instead of 2 assuming people stream the whole album in one sitting. Also there are those idiots like me who listen on 'shuffle mode' when I'm out in the car.

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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ it's not uncommon for bands to break down their 2 track albums into seperate songs and offer that as an alternative. Norwegian band Infringement did that last year with Black Science and White Lies. It's entirely a commercial decision connected to streaming revenue as they are paid per song streamed. Ie it can ultimately increase the streaming revenue 5 times if there are 10 tracks instead of 2 assuming people stream the whole album in one sitting. Also there are those idiots like me who listen on 'shuffle mode' when I'm out in the car.

Hi,

Good thing you never heard the banded versions of CTTE, TFTO, TAAB and Relayer ... it's when you really knew who was in control of the music, though it took a few years before they killed the free form FM radio in America! 
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