Why Iron Maiden is better than DT

He is ... many other influential musicians (Portnoy for instance) say that he's a genius.

Certif1ed wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: Reaper16 wrote: This is very simple. Iron Maiden run rings around Dream Theatre. Mainly becasue DT aren't songwriters. Like, at all. Amazingly talented musicians that don't have very many strong songs. It;s the same problem that plagues Pain of Salvation, although to a lesser degree. Dream Theater run rings around Iron Maiden in terms of complexity and structure. Iron Maiden write catchy metal songs. Not the Dream Theater I've heard - they use simple rock song structures and decorate them with unnecessary bridges and codas in a vain attempt to hide the simple underlying structure. That's one of my biggest criticisms of them, and the main reason I can't accept them as true prog. In just about everything I've heard, it's Intro-Verse-Chorus-Verse-Choruse-Bridge-Verse-Chorus-Coda with frills, and nothing else. *yawn!* Maiden, at least, were not trying to be prog

You should swap your FII for some IaW or A!

BTW: Who said that prog songs are not allowed to have verse-chorus? Say goodbye to 50% of Pink Floyd ...

Certif1ed wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: Certif1ed wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: Reaper16 wrote: This is very simple. Iron Maiden run rings around Dream Theatre. Mainly becasue DT aren't songwriters. Like, at all. Amazingly talented musicians that don't have very many strong songs. It;s the same problem that plagues Pain of Salvation, although to a lesser degree. Dream Theater run rings around Iron Maiden in terms of complexity and structure. Iron Maiden write catchy metal songs. Not the Dream Theater I've heard - they use simple rock song structures and decorate them with unnecessary bridges and codas in a vain attempt to hide the simple underlying structure. That's one of my biggest criticisms of them, and the main reason I can't accept them as true prog. In just about everything I've heard, it's Intro-Verse-Chorus-Verse-Choruse-Bridge-Verse-Chorus-Coda with frills, and nothing else. *yawn!* Maiden, at least, were not trying to be prog You should swap your FII for some IaW or A! BTW: Who said that prog songs are not allowed to have verse-chorus? Say goodbye to 50% of Pink Floyd ... No-one said that. It's how it's done, not what is done. With most Floyd, the structure is carefully hidden. With almost any DT, it's wide open and blatantly obvious - hardly progressive. I've heard "IaW", and it's more pop-rock ballads in standard form - hardly a masterpiece of prog. Not even prog, really.

Sorry John sorry better listen again.

I respect your opinion on DT, but are you sure that you're even trying to be objective here? I mean, Pull Me Under is a metal song, I give you that. Another Day is an AORish ballad, no problem admitting that either. But all the other tracks are prog. Play them to someone who's used to pop rock ballads, and he'd hurl them right back at you.

Did you listen closely to Wait For Sleep, and how that theme is played with during all of Learning To Live? Did you listen to Metropolis Pt.1 and recognize how those themes are played with on their other records?

I agree that most of what DT do is usually right in your face, not very subtile. But not ALL of it.

BTW: I think that Awake is much better than I&W. If you're looking for an inventive, spontaneous and truly majestic album, then it can only be Awake. They have pop elements there too, on Innocence faded and Lifting Shadows ..., but even they are full of complex riffs, solos and rhythmic extravaganzas.