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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Big Sky Big Sky wrote:

Probably will lose in this poll, but ELP easy. Tangerine Dream never did much for me.


Hope you don't mind me asking, but is there other electronic music you like? Sorry, I'm just not that familiar with your tastes.

The first Tangerine Dream album I heard was Phaedra. It was given to me in 1986, as well as some other cassettes including Echo and the Bunnymen by someone when I was in hospital to play on my Walkman. I was intrigued by it, but I can't say I really liked it. 18 year later I really got into Tangerine Dream for the pre-Pheedra period. Then I got Ricochet and loved that. Now I love Phaedra and lots more Tangerine Dream.

I liked Pictures the last time I listened to it which might have been about 2005. I was appreciating ELP more then than I do now. I prefer the mindtrip that TD takes me on than my experience with ELP, but I get that a lot of TD (including the classic stuff) would be boring to many listeners.

To me Ricochet is fantastic, but to each their own.


Logan,

Not really. I don't hate electronic music but, not really something that spoke to me. Kraftwerk, Klaus Shulze, Tangerine Dream, Brian Eno, etc, I've listened to, but none of it took.

I guess the exception (is it an exception?) would be Jean Michel Jarre's Oxygene which, I quite like.

As far as my taste in music in the Prog Realm Yes, Genesis, Rush, ELP, Gentle Giant, King Crimson ( Wetton Years), Kansas, Supertramp, Porcupine Tree and Steven Wilson's Prog albums ( Raven, HCE) would be the direction I lean there. Lot of 70s fusion such as RTF, Mahavisnu Orchestra, Dixie Dregs, Pat Metheny, Jeff Beck and current artists who may be more labeled as Prog/ Fusion such as Plini, the Aristocrats, Gnarbot. Bela Fleck and the Flecktones from 90s are another big Fusion group for me.

Listen to a lot of classical guitar, John Williams, David Russell, Ana Vidovic, Julian Bream, etc. Two that I have been listening to recently are Stephanie Jones and Alexandra Whittingham.

Big fan of Stravinsky, Beethoven and Bach. Enjoy a fair bit of jazz such as Miles Davis and Dave Brubeck.

Led Zeppelin, Steely Dan and Chicago (Kath years) are some of the big classic rock bands that would be in my top 20 rock bands.

Hope that helps as far as my taste in music is concerned.
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No contest, Ricochet easily.
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Both for me. Pictures is not my favorite ELP album but it's not a waste. It's quite a apples and oranges thing: they are hard to compare.
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Originally posted by Big Sky Big Sky wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Big Sky Big Sky wrote:

Probably will lose in this poll, but ELP easy. Tangerine Dream never did much for me.


Hope you don't mind me asking, but is there other electronic music you like? Sorry, I'm just not that familiar with your tastes.

The first Tangerine Dream album I heard was Phaedra. It was given to me in 1986, as well as some other cassettes including Echo and the Bunnymen by someone when I was in hospital to play on my Walkman. I was intrigued by it, but I can't say I really liked it. 18 year later I really got into Tangerine Dream for the pre-Pheedra period. Then I got Ricochet and loved that. Now I love Phaedra and lots more Tangerine Dream.

I liked Pictures the last time I listened to it which might have been about 2005. I was appreciating ELP more then than I do now. I prefer the mindtrip that TD takes me on than my experience with ELP, but I get that a lot of TD (including the classic stuff) would be boring to many listeners.

To me Ricochet is fantastic, but to each their own.


Logan,

Not really. I don't hate electronic music but, not really something that spoke to me. Kraftwerk, Klaus Shulze, Tangerine Dream, Brian Eno, etc, I've listened to, but none of it took.

I guess the exception (is it an exception?) would be Jean Michel Jarre's Oxygene which, I quite like.

As far as my taste in music in the Prog Realm Yes, Genesis, Rush, ELP, Gentle Giant, King Crimson ( Wetton Years), Kansas, Supertramp, Porcupine Tree and Steven Wilson's Prog albums ( Raven, HCE) would be the direction I lean there. Lot of 70s fusion such as RTF, Mahavisnu Orchestra, Dixie Dregs, Pat Metheny, Jeff Beck and current artists who may be more labeled as Prog/ Fusion such as Plini, the Aristocrats, Gnarbot. Bela Fleck and the Flecktones from 90s are another big Fusion group for me.

Listen to a lot of classical guitar, John Williams, David Russell, Ana Vidovic, Julian Bream, etc. Two that I have been listening to recently are Stephanie Jones and Alexandra Whittingham.

Big fan of Stravinsky, Beethoven and Bach. Enjoy a fair bit of jazz such as Miles Davis and Dave Brubeck.

Led Zeppelin, Steely Dan and Chicago (Kath years) are some of the big classic rock bands that would be in my top 20 rock bands.

Hope that helps as far as my taste in music is concerned.


That gives me an excellent  idea idea of your tastes and is sincerely very much appreciated.  I have noticed Oxygene appealing to various people who are not generally into Electronic music.  I love that album and the follow-up Equinoxe. I don't know why if fell for Electronic music early on.  Right time, right place perhaps, and the right chemicals.  Kitaro was something I was huge on as a teen and in my early 20s.  I have long liked atmospheric ambient music and I guess it is kinds of atmospheric music that tend to attract me the most, but with crescendos and things often which give a dopamine rush.

Classical music was my first love, what my parents played, but now I  mostly hear it because of my son in high school (his fave music, especially piano). Julian Bream has been a favourite of mine.  I like plenty of jazz, and King Crimson and Gentle Giant have been two of my fave bands in prog.  Good to see wide tastes like yours, means there's something to have in common with pretty much everybody here

Edited by Logan - January 15 2025 at 22:57
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Pictures At An Exhibtion was originally about ELP playing at the Isle Of Wight festival in 1970 but before their debut album came out. They had to cobble something together at short notice and so of course took on Mussorgsky's popular classical work (although actually made famous when Ravel added orchestration as it was originally a series of solo piano pieces). It's pretty 'mad' stuff and just writing it off as 'bombastic' doesn't do it. The version that was released was I think the encore from a show and so by that point the audience are whipped up to near hysteria. It was the first album I purchased with my own money and I was probably about 13 or 14 at the time. Not a clue what it was about at the time and thought I would never become the fan I became. Nowadays I'm still not sure how I stand with it. I love the Baba Yaga section (Palmer is a beast) but mostly it's all over the place. As ELP progressed through the seventies they shortened it down to about 20 minutes and concentrated on the Baba Yaga section. That flies! 

Ricochet is the first Tangerine Dream I love. It's still quite high up in my favourites by them but I probably like Poland and Logos a bit more as far as their live releases go. I will still vote for it here though.
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Ricochet by a noselength.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Pictures At An Exhibtion was originally about ELP playing at the Isle Of Wight festival in 1970 but before their debut album came out. They had to cobble something together at short notice and so of course took on Mussorgsky's popular classical work (although actually made famous when Ravel added orchestration as it was originally a series of solo piano pieces).

'Pictures' was one of the Classical releases I owned in my early 20's. I initially bought and subsequently returned to was the Brendel and Previn disk, where the Piano version is followed by Ravel's orchestration. Because I knew the classical version years before I heard ELP's truncated encore, my view of the latter has always been coloured, unfavourably by the former. I don't believe even ELP believed their version to be on a par with a studio album, as it was initially their intention to release a double album, with this as the 'second' record. In the end, they released it as a stand alone, but at mid-price. It's great fun, but really can't be compared to Ricochet...


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^ Jared, Richard, thanks for the memories! Keith's readiness to go for the classics may have produced less than perfect results, but you have to love the guy for that attitude. And when they nailed it, they really nailed it.
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I really like Pictures but I love Ricochet. Easy choice for me.

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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Pictures At An Exhibtion was originally about ELP playing at the Isle Of Wight festival in 1970 but before their debut album came out. They had to cobble something together at short notice and so of course took on Mussorgsky's popular classical work (although actually made famous when Ravel added orchestration as it was originally a series of solo piano pieces).

'Pictures' was one of the Classical releases I owned in my early 20's. I initially bought and subsequently returned to was the Brendel and Previn disk, where the Piano version is followed by Ravel's orchestration. Because I knew the classical version years before I heard ELP's truncated encore, my view of the latter has always been coloured, unfavourably by the former. I don't believe even ELP believed their version to be on a par with a studio album, as it was initially their intention to release a double album, with this as the 'second' record. In the end, they released it as a stand alone, but at mid-price. It's great fun, but really can't be compared to Ricochet...



Nice! I have a CD with Leonard Bernstein conducting. I haven't dug it out for years.

Apparently there are some 40+ different orchestrated versions inc one by Sir Henry Wood who founded 'The Proms'. Generally it's the Ravel version that is the standard.

I also love Tomita's version ( and for me it's better than ELP's version). Keith Emerson was also a bit of a fan of Tomita's version on the quiet and 'nicked' some of it for ELP's 1974 and later versions I think.

BTW I do enjoy ELP's version from Mar Y Sol (A festival held in Puerto Rico in 1972). It is the shorter version but Keith's Hammond spits and crackles very pleasingly!


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BTW I do enjoy ELP's version from Mar Y Sol (A festival held in Puerto Rico in 1972). It is the shorter version but Keith's Hammond spits and crackles very pleasingly!
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Concur...Emerson's Hammond never sounded better live then on Mar Y Sol...
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