Pictures or Ricochet
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Topic: Pictures or Ricochet
Posted By: Heart of the Matter
Subject: Pictures or Ricochet
Date Posted: January 15 2025 at 08:26
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Two classic live albums featuring -then- new songs, without audience feed: Proceedings Open! |
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 15 2025 at 08:31
The 'both" option makes it for an easy choice. 
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Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: January 15 2025 at 08:32
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I love both of those albums.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 15 2025 at 08:35
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Ricochet is the album I most like to return to.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 15 2025 at 09:09
| A rebounding vote for Ricochet. I adore that album. |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: January 15 2025 at 09:20
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Just listened to Pictures again this morning.... but no, Ricochet was my TD first love... it's still superb ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 15 2025 at 10:17
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Ricochet, an album that is near and dear. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: January 15 2025 at 11:03
| I like both but Ricochet is timeless |
Posted By: Big Sky
Date Posted: January 15 2025 at 11:11
| Probably will lose in this poll, but ELP easy. Tangerine Dream never did much for me. |
Posted By: Criswell
Date Posted: January 15 2025 at 12:37
| Pictures...the most bombastic ELP release... |
Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: January 15 2025 at 12:47
| ELP |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: January 15 2025 at 12:50
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Pictures ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: January 15 2025 at 12:58
| Very tight affair. I like both of them a lot. Ricochet was at some time when I was young one of my favourite albums, but I overplayed it, and these days prefer many other TD albums to it. I will therefore vote for Pictures, which I like as on the first day (due to being played much less to be honest). Not that much between them, but as usually I avoid the "Both" option. |
Posted By: Duddick
Date Posted: January 15 2025 at 13:11
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TD for me any day. ELP for me were too bombastic - in its proper definition - not the way a lot of prog fans seem to think the adjective is an approbation. (From the Collins English dictionary: “If you describe someone as bombastic, you are https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/criticize" rel="nofollow - criticizing them for trying to https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/impress" rel="nofollow - impress other people by https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/saying" rel="nofollow - saying things that sound https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/impressive" rel="nofollow - impressive but with little meaning.”)
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: January 15 2025 at 13:15
| Ricochet |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: January 15 2025 at 13:17
| ELP |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 15 2025 at 13:19
Hope you don't mind me asking, but is there other electronic music you like? Sorry, I'm just not that familiar with your tastes. The first Tangerine Dream album I heard was Phaedra. It was given to me in 1986, as well as some other cassettes including Echo and the Bunnymen by someone when I was in hospital to play on my Walkman. I was intrigued by it, but I can't say I really liked it. 18 year later I really got into Tangerine Dream for the pre-Pheedra period. Then I got Ricochet and loved that. Now I love Phaedra and lots more Tangerine Dream. I liked Pictures the last time I listened to it which might have been about 2005. I was appreciating ELP more then than I do now. I prefer the mindtrip that TD takes me on than my experience with ELP, but I get that a lot of TD (including the classic stuff) would be boring to many listeners. To me Ricochet is fantastic, but to each their own. |
Big Sky wrote:Posted By: tdfloyd
Date Posted: January 15 2025 at 13:30
| For me. I’m shocked that TD is winning. |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: January 15 2025 at 14:08
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I think I go for ELP just a tad more than TD for these albums. After mooing at web pages this morning, I sort of feel like I'm shaped like a cookie now. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Heart of the Matter
Date Posted: January 15 2025 at 15:05
| After being tempted by the convenient "both" button, I finally went with Pictures, an album that I listened to a lot, a lifetime ago. Then I put it to rest for so many time, that I'm in good terms with it again and ready for a new spin anytime. Anyway, I'm voting rather the greatness of the album than my present disposition towards it. |
Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: January 15 2025 at 19:11
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My ears dig both. ------------- Welcome to the middle of the film. |
Posted By: Big Sky
Date Posted: January 15 2025 at 20:05
Logan, Not really. I don't hate electronic music but, not really something that spoke to me. Kraftwerk, Klaus Shulze, Tangerine Dream, Brian Eno, etc, I've listened to, but none of it took. I guess the exception (is it an exception?) would be Jean Michel Jarre's Oxygene which, I quite like. As far as my taste in music in the Prog Realm Yes, Genesis, Rush, ELP, Gentle Giant, King Crimson ( Wetton Years), Kansas, Supertramp, Porcupine Tree and Steven Wilson's Prog albums ( Raven, HCE) would be the direction I lean there. Lot of 70s fusion such as RTF, Mahavisnu Orchestra, Dixie Dregs, Pat Metheny, Jeff Beck and current artists who may be more labeled as Prog/ Fusion such as Plini, the Aristocrats, Gnarbot. Bela Fleck and the Flecktones from 90s are another big Fusion group for me. Listen to a lot of classical guitar, John Williams, David Russell, Ana Vidovic, Julian Bream, etc. Two that I have been listening to recently are Stephanie Jones and Alexandra Whittingham. Big fan of Stravinsky, Beethoven and Bach. Enjoy a fair bit of jazz such as Miles Davis and Dave Brubeck. Led Zeppelin, Steely Dan and Chicago (Kath years) are some of the big classic rock bands that would be in my top 20 rock bands. Hope that helps as far as my taste in music is concerned. |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: January 15 2025 at 20:21
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Ricochet ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: January 15 2025 at 21:04
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No contest, Ricochet easily. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: January 15 2025 at 22:55
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Both for me. Pictures is not my favorite ELP album but it's not a waste. It's quite a apples and oranges thing: they are hard to compare. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 15 2025 at 22:56
That
gives me an excellent idea idea of your tastes and is sincerely very much
appreciated. I have noticed Oxygene appealing to various people who are
not generally into Electronic music. I love that album and the follow-up Equinoxe.
I don't know why if fell for Electronic music early on. Right time,
right place perhaps, and the right chemicals. Kitaro was something I
was huge on as a teen and in my early 20s. I have long liked
atmospheric ambient music and I guess it is kinds of atmospheric music
that tend to attract me the most, but with crescendos and things often
which give a dopamine rush. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 15 2025 at 23:40
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Pictures At An Exhibtion was originally about ELP playing at the Isle Of Wight festival in 1970 but before their debut album came out. They had to cobble something together at short notice and so of course took on Mussorgsky's popular classical work (although actually made famous when Ravel added orchestration as it was originally a series of solo piano pieces). It's pretty 'mad' stuff and just writing it off as 'bombastic' doesn't do it. The version that was released was I think the encore from a show and so by that point the audience are whipped up to near hysteria. It was the first album I purchased with my own money and I was probably about 13 or 14 at the time. Not a clue what it was about at the time and thought I would never become the fan I became. Nowadays I'm still not sure how I stand with it. I love the Baba Yaga section (Palmer is a beast) but mostly it's all over the place. As ELP progressed through the seventies they shortened it down to about 20 minutes and concentrated on the Baba Yaga section. That flies! Ricochet is the first Tangerine Dream I love. It's still quite high up in my favourites by them but I probably like Poland and Logos a bit more as far as their live releases go. I will still vote for it here though.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 16 2025 at 00:40
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Ricochet by a noselength. ------------- 
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: January 16 2025 at 01:03
'Pictures' was one of the Classical releases I owned in my early 20's. I initially bought and subsequently returned to was the Brendel and Previn disk, where the Piano version is followed by Ravel's orchestration. Because I knew the classical version years before I heard ELP's truncated encore, my view of the latter has always been coloured, unfavourably by the former. I don't believe even ELP believed their version to be on a par with a studio album, as it was initially their intention to release a double album, with this as the 'second' record. In the end, they released it as a stand alone, but at mid-price. It's great fun, but really can't be compared to Ricochet...  ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Heart of the Matter
Date Posted: January 16 2025 at 05:59
| ^ Jared, Richard, thanks for the memories! Keith's readiness to go for the classics may have produced less than perfect results, but you have to love the guy for that attitude. And when they nailed it, they really nailed it. |
Posted By: MFP
Date Posted: January 16 2025 at 17:31
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I really like Pictures but I love Ricochet. Easy choice for me. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 16 2025 at 21:50
Nice! I have a CD with Leonard Bernstein conducting. I haven't dug it out for years. Apparently there are some 40+ different orchestrated versions inc one by Sir Henry Wood who founded 'The Proms'. Generally it's the Ravel version that is the standard. I also love Tomita's version ( and for me it's better than ELP's version). Keith Emerson was also a bit of a fan of Tomita's version on the quiet and 'nicked' some of it for ELP's 1974 and later versions I think. BTW I do enjoy ELP's version from Mar Y Sol (A festival held in Puerto Rico in 1972). It is the shorter version but Keith's Hammond spits and crackles very pleasingly!
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Posted By: Criswell
Date Posted: January 17 2025 at 09:31
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BTW I do enjoy ELP's version from Mar Y Sol (A festival held in Puerto Rico in 1972). It is the shorter version but Keith's Hammond spits and crackles very pleasingly!
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Concur...Emerson's Hammond never sounded better live then on Mar Y Sol...
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