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    Posted: January 11 2025 at 18:06
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Originally posted by Jaketejas Jaketejas wrote:

That’s an interesting question. Who was still using a mellotron in the 1980s? I think OMD was but they were often classified more as electronic experimental than Prog.
 
Not really prog, but I know Talk Talk used some on "The Colour of Spring". I'm pretty sure some other New Wave band experimented with one, but I can't think of who.
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I am thinking of Peter Hammill, David Sylvian or King Crimson. You could make an argument that all of them did try something more commercially-oriented but their music was never mainstream in the sense of Rush, Genesis or Yes trying to catch up with what was trendy in the 80s.
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I believe Fred Frith had used Mellotron on some of his solo albums and maybe one of the Art Bears albums. Isildurs Bane had it on their first two albums. It was also on Mr. Sirius' Barren Dream album. Outside the prog world, I believe Paul McCartney was using Mellotron sparingly on some of his 1980s albums.
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Originally posted by Jaketejas Jaketejas wrote:

That’s an interesting question. Who was still using a mellotron in the 1980s?
Martin Orford of IQ for example. There is loads of Mellotron on Lush Attic.
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The only major prog band I can think of is King Crimson. There were obscure bands in the 80s like Djam Karet but you can't really count them.
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That’s an interesting question. Who was still using a mellotron in the 1980s? I think OMD was but they were often classified more as electronic experimental than Prog.
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Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

I think the real issue for many listeners on this site is what I would call (for lack of a better term) "1980s Production Values". By 1983, recording studios had become VERY high-tech and fully digital, while the analog synths of the 1970s were traded in for instruments like the Fairlight or Synclavier. Guitarists started dabbling in guitar-synths and extensive pedal-boards, and drummers added Simmons drums and other electronic percussion to the sounds at their disposal.

What this led to were albums that no longer sounded like the albums recorded in the 1960s/1970s. To this day, many prog listeners dismiss 1980s material simply because it sounds "computerized" or "plastic", unlike the analog albums from earlier days. Someone above mentioned the Emerson, Lake, and Powell album from 1986. While the album did have a single ("Touch and Go") that did receive a lot of airplay, I remain convinced that many older ELP listeners who hated the album were less offended by Carl Palmer's absence than by the simple fact that the album sounds nothing like Tarkus. And after 15 years of technological advancements, why should it?

Good point regarding Emerson, Lake and Powell not sounding like classic era ELP (1970-74). Certainly I felt at the time that Emerson had dumped the Hammond Organ in favour of inferior sounding keyboards. However the musical ideas mostly were not bad, although personally I think the album would have been a zillion times better if they recruited Terry Bozzio or Simon Phillips instead of 'hard rocker' Cozy Powell.

Keith's Hammond features very prominently on both "The Score" and "Mars, the Bringer of War" (admittedly layered with other keyboards), and even receives a solo spotlight on "The Miracle".

I wouldn't go with 'prominently' in truth. The Yamaha GX1 is by far the most 'prominent' keyboard and Emerson was also experimenting with MIDI to get that orchestral sound. He said at that time he was most disappointed he couldn't get those sounds on Love Beach and had to wait for the tech to catch up. It was perhaps being slight disengenious as there were more overriding reasons for the partial reformation of ELP (Lake's failed solo career and Emerson getting in to a licencing war with a distributor of his solo albums and so having to park his own attempt at a solo career as a result).
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

I think the real issue for many listeners on this site is what I would call (for lack of a better term) "1980s Production Values". By 1983, recording studios had become VERY high-tech and fully digital, while the analog synths of the 1970s were traded in for instruments like the Fairlight or Synclavier. Guitarists started dabbling in guitar-synths and extensive pedal-boards, and drummers added Simmons drums and other electronic percussion to the sounds at their disposal.

What this led to were albums that no longer sounded like the albums recorded in the 1960s/1970s. To this day, many prog listeners dismiss 1980s material simply because it sounds "computerized" or "plastic", unlike the analog albums from earlier days. Someone above mentioned the Emerson, Lake, and Powell album from 1986. While the album did have a single ("Touch and Go") that did receive a lot of airplay, I remain convinced that many older ELP listeners who hated the album were less offended by Carl Palmer's absence than by the simple fact that the album sounds nothing like Tarkus. And after 15 years of technological advancements, why should it?

Good point regarding Emerson, Lake and Powell not sounding like classic era ELP (1970-74). Certainly I felt at the time that Emerson had dumped the Hammond Organ in favour of inferior sounding keyboards. However the musical ideas mostly were not bad, although personally I think the album would have been a zillion times better if they recruited Terry Bozzio or Simon Phillips instead of 'hard rocker' Cozy Powell.
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Keith's Hammond features very prominently on both "The Score" and "Mars, the Bringer of War" (admittedly layered with other keyboards), and even receives a solo spotlight on "The Miracle".
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Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

I think the real issue for many listeners on this site is what I would call (for lack of a better term) "1980s Production Values". By 1983, recording studios had become VERY high-tech and fully digital, while the analog synths of the 1970s were traded in for instruments like the Fairlight or Synclavier. Guitarists started dabbling in guitar-synths and extensive pedal-boards, and drummers added Simmons drums and other electronic percussion to the sounds at their disposal.

What this led to were albums that no longer sounded like the albums recorded in the 1960s/1970s. To this day, many prog listeners dismiss 1980s material simply because it sounds "computerized" or "plastic", unlike the analog albums from earlier days. Someone above mentioned the Emerson, Lake, and Powell album from 1986. While the album did have a single ("Touch and Go") that did receive a lot of airplay, I remain convinced that many older ELP listeners who hated the album were less offended by Carl Palmer's absence than by the simple fact that the album sounds nothing like Tarkus. And after 15 years of technological advancements, why should it?

Good point regarding Emerson, Lake and Powell not sounding like classic era ELP (1970-74). Certainly I felt at the time that Emerson had dumped the Hammond Organ in favour of inferior sounding keyboards. However the musical ideas mostly were not bad, although personally I think the album would have been a zillion times better if they recruited Terry Bozzio or Simon Phillips instead of 'hard rocker' Cozy Powell.
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I think the real issue for many listeners on this site is what I would call (for lack of a better term) "1980s Production Values". By 1983, recording studios had become VERY high-tech and fully digital, while the analog synths of the 1970s were traded in for instruments like the Fairlight or Synclavier. Guitarists started dabbling in guitar-synths and extensive pedal-boards, and drummers added Simmons drums and other electronic percussion to the sounds at their disposal.

What this led to were albums that no longer sounded like the albums recorded in the 1960s/1970s. To this day, many prog listeners dismiss 1980s material simply because it sounds "computerized" or "plastic", unlike the analog albums from earlier days. Someone above mentioned the Emerson, Lake, and Powell album from 1986. While the album did have a single ("Touch and Go") that did receive a lot of airplay, I remain convinced that many older ELP listeners who hated the album were less offended by Carl Palmer's absence than by the simple fact that the album sounds nothing like Tarkus. And after 15 years of technological advancements, why should it?
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Originally posted by Faul_McCartney<br /><div>Been diving further down the RIO rabbit hole. I've been loving Univers Zero in particular! As for 80s Zeuhl, Magma's Retrospektiw is one of my favorites.<br />[/QUOTE Faul_McCartney
Been diving further down the RIO rabbit hole. I've been loving Univers Zero in particular! As for 80s Zeuhl, Magma's Retrospektiw is one of my favorites.
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I think Zeuhl and Avant Prog (+ Progressive Electronic) was where Progressive Rock stayed fresh and vibrant in the late 1970's and the early 1980's. Apart from the mentioned UZ and Magma, so
I think Zeuhl and Avant Prog (+ Progressive Electronic) was where Progressive Rock stayed fresh and vibrant in the late 1970's and the early 1980's. Apart from the mentioned UZ and Magma, some of my favorite albums from the latter decade were by:

Art Zoyd, Eskaton, Dun, Kultivator, Rahmann, Abus Dangereux, Eider Stellaire, Present, This Heat, Hellebore, Wha-ha-ha, After Dinner, The Residents...
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Originally posted by Faul_McCartney Faul_McCartney wrote:

Many of our beloved musicians turned to pop in the 80s
you mean people who knew how to write a good song adapted their craft to the formulas of the new decade? Yep, the most talented did (KC, PF, JT, Genesis, Rush, Camel, etc), while some of the others rejected the progress
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

King Crimson for sure didn't "go mainstream", however they adapted their approach quite strongly to trends of the time. (I actually loved that at the time and still do.)
In doing this they disprove that "keeping up with the times" or "not getting stale" meant going pop. I'll admit I like some 80s Yes and Genesis, even an Asia song or two, but I always thought that excuse was a bad argument.

Originally posted by mellotronwave mellotronwave wrote:

Hammill, Camel, lot of Zeuhl and RIO bands/artists of course
Been diving further down the RIO rabbit hole. I've been loving Univers Zero in particular! As for 80s Zeuhl, Magma's Retrospektiw is one of my favorites. Now Merci, on the other hand... It's not exactly "normal" but it was certainly an attempt at it.


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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Sure the 80s music industry was aiming for the lowest common denominator but the 80s was AMAZINGLY rich in bizarre indie artists lurking in the shadows.

For anyone interested i compiled this follow up 80s version of the Nurse With Wound list and i found well over 2000 weird and freaky artists including prog



I just wanted to say thanks for this massive musical list. Looking forward to discovering some great music! 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2025 at 20:41
Keith Emerson as a solo artist didn't do anything particularly mainstream but how do we define Emerson, Lake and Powell? That was an attempt to bring back prog in its original form although he then got drawn into the Emerson, Berry and Palmer thing that was horrible AOR.
Vangelis solo was excellent but he did the Jon and Vangelis albums that was sort of art pop (Horizon was a 20 minute track)
Eloy were always prog but 1983's Performance was a bit AOR ish and embraced 80's plastic production values
Rush were selling a ton of albums but I don't anything they did was mainstream, just late 80's a bit dull.
Iron Maiden arguably created progressive metal in that decade but were selling tons
I suspect a lot of underground art based music had nothing to do with 'prog' at the time but we like a bit of revisionism around here. 


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Pink Floyd's "The Final Cut"  was far from mainstream, but after that <makes sad face>
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Sure the 80s music industry was aiming for the lowest common denominator but the 80s was AMAZINGLY rich in bizarre indie artists lurking in the shadows.

For anyone interested i compiled this follow up 80s version of the Nurse With Wound list and i found well over 2000 weird and freaky artists including prog





https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy
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Hammill, Camel, lot of Zeuhl and RIO bands/artists of course

PG has become mainstream wth his first personal hit single Solsburry Hill from 1976 on.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2025 at 04:45
King Crimson for sure didn't "go mainstream", however they adapted their approach quite strongly to trends of the time. (I actually loved that at the time and still do.)

This is not meant to criticise them being listed here, just an aspect that is probably worth mentioning. Same Holger Czukay and Brian Eno to some extent, by the way, also Tangerine Dream (partly for technological reasons). All these were still innovative. 


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