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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


Animals and maybe Meddle are the only Floyd albums that really seem Prog to me. The rest of it is too psychedelic, melodic and similar to mainstream Rock, and the mass popularity of Floyd just confirms all this to me. Big smile

Wish You Were Here doesn't seem like Prog to you? LOL "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" (all 25:33 of it)? "Welcome to the Machine"? Also, It always amuses me the idea that "mass popularity" somehow precludes a band like Floyd from someone's idea of "Prog". As if creating compositions that actually appeal to people is antithetical to prog-rock (we can't bloody well sell albums, we're prog for Christ's sake! We have to appeal to basement-dwellers, effete nerds and upper middle-class British schoolboys!). They were never a singles band, but folks still bought their albums and listened to them in their entirety.
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^I spent like half an hour on my own reply, so your post saying basically the same in fewer words and more to the point snuck in between:)
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Animals and maybe Meddle are the only Floyd albums that really seem Prog to me. The rest of it is too psychedelic, melodic and similar to mainstream Rock, and the mass popularity of Floyd just confirms all this to me.
So Prog can't be Prog if it's too melodic (or too Psychedelic for that matter)? If too melodic disqualifies, where does that leave Prog Rock staples such as Epitaph, In the Court's title track - or Camel, or Renaissance? If Atom Heart Mother (a-f) or Shine On You Crazy Diamond (1-5 + 6-9) doesn't qualify as works of Progressive Rock, very little does. I find carefully and intelligently constructed works such as the latter one in particular, a lot more impressive than bands throwing a bunch of "weird timesignatures" within a tune that lacks both a head and a tail. There are many bands that do weird and unmelodic magnificently. I mean to me Prog doesn't really get much better than early Univers Zero or Art Zoyd. But there are others that I find to be inaccessible simply because they aren't that great at what they do.

Edited by Saperlipopette! - January 03 2025 at 23:28
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When talking about the length or suite form of a composition alone, do for instance the more than 20 minutes and suite form of Groundhogs' Split, Part One to Four (1971) make it Prog?





Edited by David_D - January 04 2025 at 05:45
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^ No, probably not. But I'm not really familiar with it. I didn't even mention songlength, and it was hardly The Dark Elf's main point either. It's about the composition. If my two mentioned Pink Floyd tracks are both too similar to mainstream rock for you to "qualify" as Prog, there's not enough common ground for us to stand on to discuss this any further. Just like song length in itself, mass popularity isn't an argument about the actual music, and it will not confirm anything for you. You must listen to confirm things in regards to music.
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As I see it on the whole, Pink Floyd are on the borderline of Progressive Rock, but I certainly don't mind to consider them as Prog. I also think of them as progressive music, and I surely love Wish You Were Here.

Btw Saperlipopette!, about feeling proud as progger of some music, and with all respect, you're not progger yourself so you might not quite understand that kind. Wink
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^Ok, but it didn't seem like anybody else understood you either. And you actually wrote about not being proud as a progger.
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


Anyway, personally, I'm sorry to say that I don't think of Rush as anything to be very proud of as a progger. Embarrassed

I'm not proud of John Coltrane or Miles Davis although they've made some of the most amazing music I know of - and Jazz is what I listen to the most. I guess I'm somewhat proud of my collection Jazz LP's, but I try to pretend that I'm not.
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Okay, I might also describe myself today as more like being an aficionado of progressive music than just Progressive Rock, even Prog is the core of it. 
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