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Originally posted by meAsoi meAsoi wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ Untrue---   'Heavy Prog' as both a phrase and a subgenre in fact has street credibility, as compared to 'Eclectic' or 'Crossover Prog' which were developed specifically for ProgArchives.   And it was not "created by an individual or a few people who came up with it", it existed as a phrase well before it was used here at PA.
Ah, the utterly contrived genre label "Heavy Prog" has somehow managed to earn itself a bit of street cred in the illustrious Prog Music Lounge Street, nestled within the cyber metropolis known as Progarchives. One can only marvel at how such an artificial concoction has found its way into the hearts (or perhaps just the playlists) of those who frequent this digital haven. It’s as if someone decided that mixing some acoustic guitar intros and short keys-driven atmospheric passages and other tricks into heavy riffing hard rock songs was a stroke of genius, and now we're all supposed to nod sagely and pretend it's not just another marketing ploy. Bravo, internet! You've done it again!

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Marketing ploy?! How does a term like "heavy prog" help sell more records?! LOL

I don't know who came up with the term "heavy prog", whether it was someone from PA or not, I don't think it matters. The term got accepted by people because it was a good descriptor for the music. It makes sense and that's what counts in the end. 
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ Thems is fightin' words, and complete nonsense.   It's not a stroke of genius, it's an apt and straightforward term to describe exactly what Rush is.   What's really odd is that the existence of the phrase Heavy Prog bothers you so much.   Did someone give you a Rush CD in your stocking you didn't want?   Or maybe Alex Lifeson insulted your second cousin at an airport years ago.   How did that stick up your ass get there?

The artificial genre heading "Heavy Prog" actually dilutes the essence of what made Rush iconic. The term suggests an amalgamation that may not accurately reflect their musical ethos. It's as if someone decided to mix green tea with a pint of beer—an affront to both beverages!

And as for your cheeky suggestion about receiving a Rush CD in one's stocking—well, I daresay that would be quite the gift for any discerning rock enthusiast! However, for those more inclined to progressive rock and less inclined towards the thunderous sounds of hard rock (albeit infused with virtuosity), such a present might indeed feel like receiving socks instead of something truly delightful.

While "Heavy Prog" may roll off the tongue with an air of sophistication (or perhaps pretentiousness), it fails to encapsulate the true spirit of Rush. They are hard rockers at heart who occasionally flirt with progressive ideas but remain steadfastly rooted in their electrifying sound.
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Actually they were heavy blues for years until at least the second record.   But then, all rock variations are blues-based, even Floyd, Tull, and of course Sabbath & Zep which were, I'm sorry to say, all blues bands until they weren't anymore.   Try telling that to someone who doesn't know rock history and they'd likely laugh at you.   But true nonetheless.

But that's a big part of progressive music, isn't it, the blend of musics that didn't get along with each other until someone got them to start talking.
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Quote There's a difference between an artificial and an organic name for a genre. "Heavy Prog" is a typical artificial genre name created for the needs of this site in order to include hard rock bands like Rush and Uriah Heep in its database. It was apparently created by an individual or a few people who came up with it in favour of the classification system of this site; it wasn't arising from the 70s progressive or heavy music milieu. Unlike an organic name for a genre, such as progressive rock or hard rock, "heavy prog" does not carry any cultural weight outside of this site's needs.
I think your argumentation is getting dangerously close to a fallacy. Genre labels, even back in the day, were (and still are) relative and subjective.

The 'cultural needs' you've mentioned actually did vary significantly from region to region. For example, in 70s Poland and Czechoslovakia, rock music was frowned upon by the government and thus it couldn't be widely advertised, so the "prog" bands from that area at the time, were marketing themselves as more of "jazz" groups rather than "rock" groups.
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Originally posted by meAsoi meAsoi wrote:

There's a difference between an artificial and an organic name for a genre.

I agree that genre names and definitions can have different degree of closeness with the real movements.




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Originally posted by jeeglefun jeeglefun wrote:

Is Rush progressive 

Hi,

Considering how many cookie cutter bands get to be considered "progressive", I would say that RUSH is definitely progressive, and I find it sad that folks question it so much ... there aren't/weren/t many bands that had the quantity/quality of a lot of their work in the first place ... makes me wonder how much listening is really being done.
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Some of the albums? Yes.
All of the albums? No.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by meAsoi meAsoi wrote:

There's a difference between an artificial and an organic name for a genre.

I agree that genre names and definitions can have different degree of closeness with the real movements.
Or to put it in a better way, genre names and definitions will always have some degree of subjectiveness, but on the other hand, they can have different degree of closeness with the real movements.
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Now. Here's the question. Is "Heavy Prog" more artificial of a genre label than "Yacht Rock"? 🤔
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^ How Deep is My Love for Yacht Rock? About as Deep as My Love for Yachtley Crew. Smile



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