Does prog make you smart?

I've heard of Court Jester and Village Idiot but never.................

  Does LEICESTER SQUARE count ??? I visited in August 2004

PROUD TO BE A SNOB !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

ivan_2068 wrote: Sorry Goose, but isn't one of the main characteristics of Progressive Rock not being repetetitive, but full of constant changes and odd timmings?

And the progressive rappers aren't repetitive either! My point was:
While rap in a lot of cases is simple, some isn't.
Likewise:
While rock in a lot of cases is simple, some (prog) isn't.

With regards to sampling other music, I'm not going to argue; you have a fair point in disliking it for that. It doesn't bother me, because I don't bother about how music was created, but about the end result. But there is some original and thought provoking rap around. And re drum solos, while they may only take up a small portion of a concert, most of the time there is no melody whatsoever, wheras in hip-hop songs the backing will generally have a melody.

Christ! Threads like these depress me. I'm not a rap fan, but
each to their own. This is exactly the sort of thread that plays
straight into the hands of those who think that all prog-rock fans
are uppity little snobs. You are becoming the cliché.

Sorry Goose, but isn't one of the main characteristics of Progressive Rock not being repetetitive, but full of constant changes and odd timmings?

Music needs melody, it's a combination of rhythm and melody according to musical cannons.

Please, don't use drum solos, it's absurd, there are one or two drum solos in each concert and are only a small part of the music. Most of the rock and Prog concerts and albums have one or two drum solos in the middle or the end of a determined track. Don't compare it with rap, where melody almost doesn't exist.

Goose, Zappa Yes, ELP, Wakeman quote famous composers, but again as a small part of a composition by them, theydon't pass all concert playing other people's music, maybe except albums like Pictures at an Exhibition, but in that case is a new arrangement and it's only one album from the whole ELP catalogue.

I used the word intelligent Rap asa rhetorical figure refering to those bands that some people here mention as good music but I haven't heard yet as most of the people in this forum. And yes, I can mention at least 100 good rock bands well known by everyone here, but I doubt anybody can mention 10 good rap bands barely known by 10% of the people here.

Iván

 

ivan_2068 wrote: Matt, Rap is a genre based in a couple of chords repeated 100 times with a guy speaking (Yes I don't consider that singing) fast. The lyrics may be intelligent (even when I haven't heard many of this kind) but it's not music. It's almost as reading with a musical backup, in this case absolutely repetitive and lack of talent.

Firstly, nowhere is it written that the backing must be repetitive. Admittedly, it usually is, but likewise (I should think) the majority of rock music is simplistic and repetitive (ergo, every rock band (including prog) must be without value?)

Secondly, why does music have to have melodies? Drum solos (usually) have no melodies, after all. And most of the time they're longer than rap songs !

Has it?

 

well its been moved to Discussions not Related to music for good reason

but after you listened to it you wouldn't be able to tell us how it sounded due to the fatal brain damage it would cause.b