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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ You can post all those trash you want from the
internet but that doesn't take away personal experience (i have plenty
of it). Have you never been to a Traditional Chinese medicine doctor?
Have you never received acupuncture?

I have and it did indeed work, which is another way of saying I felt better the next day and have no real proof it was the acupuncture.   This specialist also applied glass suction bowls to my back.   

Was it the bowls?   Was it the needles?   Was it the herbs he gave me which I took for several weeks that were unrelated to my having the flu?   Was it his advice that I never eat anything raw or uncooked which is questionable considering raw fruits & vegetables are an important part of a person's diet?   Or maybe his insistence I not eat sweets only for me to notice a quart of ice cream in his freezer?   Hard to say.


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for at least a decade, you're not even remotely qualified to have a
discussion really. No offense.

Yeah I don't know... here on the forums we all discuss/debate things we haven't necessarily (or at all) researched for a decade.   I've been looking into UFOs for about 45 years and am only reasonably informed.   On the other hand I've been thoroughly researching the JFK assassination for about 25 years and consider myself a foremost expert in the field, far more knowledgeable than most "experts" whose books I've read, films I've seen, or see & hear on social media.   Most of them are under-qualified buffoons who make so many errors and bad calls it is painfully embarrassing to someone with even ten years of solid research.

Which is to say it seems that proper, serious, extended and relentless work of re-reading, re-watching, re-thinking, and over-researching even after you've come to an 'ultimate conclusion' rather than chronologic time is what matters the most.





All i can say and i've already shared what i had to and anyone can believe it or not. It is no concern of me if they choose not to pursue it.

There are many things in life that are real and yet we have no idea how they work. Acupuncture is one. Love is one. Why do i like Thai food? Is there a scientific equation for that? If not does that mean it's not real?

When it comes to scalar energy i've researched enough to be convinced of its existence and personally know those who have cleverly tapped its bounty.

Acupuncture has worked for me and many others. I had a housemate who was an acupuncturist. There's a reason it's been a primary healing system in China for thousands of years.

Anyway, i'm in the middle of moving and no time to discuss this any further.

But WAIT!!!!!! Does TIME EVEN EXIST? LOL


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Quote Does time exist?
 
Time, specifically four-dimensional spacetime, has to exist in order for there to be relativistic effects such as time dilation. It's important to note that clocks are not actually affected by relativistic effects, a requirement of the principle of special relativity, which says that the laws of physics are the same in all inertial frames of reference. Time is a measure along the worldline of a clock and depends on the specific path of the worldline in spacetime. Because time dilation is a comparison of measures of time along two different worldlines, there is no reason for the measures of time to be the same, even if the clocks are intrinsically behaving identically. An analogous situation occurs in ordinary three-dimensional space where the distance between two different locations depends on the path between them. By contrast, if reality was simply a three-dimensional space that varies with time, then it would not be possible for time dilation to occur without violating the principle of special relativity. But in spacetime, different inertial frames of reference in relative motion have different notions of simultaneity (three-dimensional spaces), and all inertial frames of reference are identical, in accordance with the principle of special relativity.
 

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

When it comes to scalar energy i've researched enough to be convinced of its existence and personally know those who have cleverly tapped its bounty.
 
RationalWiki has an article on Scalar wave (Redirected from Scalar energy):
 
 
I like RationalWiki. They give you the facts as well as a laugh. They are not as formal as Wikipedia. However, RationalWiki categorises scalar waves as pseudoscience (which doesn't surprise me at all).
 



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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

There are many things in life that are real and yet we have no idea how they work. Acupuncture is one. Love is one. Why do i like Thai food? Is there a scientific equation for that? If not does that mean it's not real?

The problem is that you're posting this in a thread about science (theoretical physics). In order to posit that "acupuncture IS real", you would at the very least need to demonstrate that it works better than placebo. That has been tried over and over again, to no avail. Which is consistent with the actual laws we have discovered. These laws contradict all of the supposed mechanisms by which acupuncture is supposed to work. So from a physics perspective it is extremely unlikely that acupuncture works. When we approach it from the other side and ask "why might so many people come to the conclusion that acupuncture works" we find a host of explanations:

- Placebo effect
- Wishful thinking
- Cultural heritage
- Lack of scientific thinking
- Regression to the mean
- Sunk cost 
- Personal attachment (e.g. to other people who subscribe to the theory)
- Shame (if one were to admit a mistake)
- ...

As a third pillar, we can point to the fact that acupuncture is a business. Along with other esoteric practices, people spend billions on it every year. Those are many, many reasons to come to the conclusion that it works. But in science, all we need is one fundamental contradiction to dismiss it.

Unfortunately this is not available on YT anymore ... Penn and Teller really nailed it: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1253750/


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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Often people who research and research and research just ending up going deeper and deeper down rabbitholes only paying "serious" attention to that which already confirms their biases. Years and years of research is not always helpful in getting to the truth (not all research has the same merit) and can lead to a bunch of other questionable beliefs, pseudo-scientific views and general crackpottery.


The sunk cost fallacy also plays into this. People who have invested years of "research" (however meaningful it might have been) and possibly money (you can buy some really expensive Orgone "devices" on the internet) do not like the idea that it might all have been a waste of time - or even worse, that they've "been had". The typical angry responses and personal attacks one gets for pointing out basic facts to these people (like that their tenets contradict well-established scientific laws and therefore cannot be correct) are a strong indication of these biases having been at work for years. 

Disclaimer: I fully acknowledge that I also have my biases. Smile


Absolutely. The investment of time and money, pride, the echo chamber effect/ conformation bias, bias reinforcement, that idea of being special and holding esoteric knowledge that others just can't see or are too blinded to see are all major factors, and a sense of belonging to some exclusive club that know the truth for many.

I have been interested in cults, especially Heaven's Gate and when doubts arise that idea of having wasted so much of your life was strong factor in remaining. And the community. They were put into pairs as check partners to affirm that each was following the right path. Even the leader had doubts, but the "students' would want to reassure him that what they were doing was right. And no doubt his pride was important. I have heard from scientists who have said that it could be so hard to let go of a hypothesis after investing years on it when evidence/ data conflicts with it. People want to be right and self-correcting is often not easy nor is being corrected by others. So often people take offence when one questions their methodology -- take it as a personal attack rather than an opportunity for reassessment and growth or shift the goalpots when confronted as they get defensive. The truth (or what seems more reasonable) can be a very bitter pill to swallow. "You want the truth? You can't handle the truth."

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By the way. the original question was "does time exist?" basing on Barbours and Smolin's opposite opinions. Despite being two theoretical physics researchers, none of the two pretends that their ideas are the "Truth". Pretending to know the absolute Truth is a bigots thing.

Newton's gravitation law was an excellent approximation to reality. Relativity was an improvement. It doesn't mean that Newton's theory is rubbish. Maybe, sooner or later, somebody will discover something more close to reality than relativity, but the Einstein's equations remain valid as well as Newton's.

So the real question should have been: what would you like to be "reality": Barbour's or Smolin's ideas of time?

Because nobody has the answer about the existence of time. Neither the two authors.

I have previously written that I wanted to demonstrate that every argument can be divisive and lead to harsh discussions. 
I knew this was one. Years ago I was on Linkedin, before getting rid of it. I was in some linkedin groups like "Theoretical Physics" and "Gravitation". There was plenty of people speaking about "consciousness", a Danish guy was convinced to have discovered something about gravitation and in his mind somebody was trying to kill him. 

There's people who thinks that Universe was created in six days 4000 years ago (how do they measures the days is unclear), people who denies the evolution, people who thinks that the moon landing was a fake (nicely I've heard one saying that the images were AI generated when AI didn't exist). There's also people who thinks that Elvis is alive. 

One of this kind in a thread about science is enough to transform it into a riot.
How many topics should be censored other than politics?
 



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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

When it comes to scalar energy i've researched enough to be convinced of its existence and personally know those who have cleverly tapped its bounty.

 
RationalWiki has an article on Scalar wave (Redirected from Scalar energy):
 
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Scalar_wave
 
I like RationalWiki. They give you the facts as well as a laugh. They are not as formal as Wikipedia. However, RationalWiki categorises scalar waves as pseudoscience (which doesn't surprise me at all).
No surprise at all. Scalar waves have been scientifically proven, but they are not recognised by the official scientific community, which has actually been conservative for a long time, and that is why science is not progressing as it should.
According to Nikola Tesla himself, there are waves in nature whose quality is completely different from Hertzian (Hz), which we are all familiar with. They differ on several grounds, both qualitatively and quantitatively. The first difference is that teslion waves are not electromagnetic. Scalar waves have their own quantum carrier and are a dimensionally richer form of energy vibration. Second, in a wireless energy transmission system, which distinguishes these waves from ordinary EM (Hertzian) waves, the basic characteristic is that their intensity decreases with distance.
The waves used by Tesla in his energy transmission system, in contrast to the others mentioned, intensify with distance. This form of energy is self-existent; it is a spiralling non-Hertzian electromagnetic wave travelling through the vacuum at super-luminal speed, a billion times faster than light. Because of the spiral nature of the wave, it is called a torsion wave because it leaves a spiral wake. Torsion waves are called non-Hertzian because they do not obey the classical theory of Hertz and Maxwell.
Tom Bearden, Eng. of nuclear physics, along with Paul La Valette, founder of the Theory of Sub-Quantum Kinetic Theory, call these waves or forms of energy Tesla longitudinal scalar waves. According to this genius, these waves, which are different from Hertzian electro-magnetic ones, are not stopped or deflected by metal, leather, rubber, or any other material; they pass through all materials. These frequencies can have the same amplitude, which appears during regeneration, in some animals, such as, e.g., lizards. So also in humans, they enable rapid regeneration of the body, especially after physical injuries. Also, the application of these waves in distance treatment explains its effectiveness because their effect increases with distance.
More significant than the treatment itself is that these Tesla waves, during their use in energy therapies, initiate the development of all other human levels, both physical, mental, and emotional. They initiate the reconstruction of human DNA chains and bring them into harmony with the universe, which is of crucial importance in the period to come, as announced by many eminent scientists.
Unfortunately, not fully understood during his lifetime, the genius Tesla left behind, among other things, many devices with the function of treatment, which are still being researched by scientists all over the globe.

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Time, for man made satellites above us, runs a bit faster than here on earth. GPS and Clocks are programmed to account for this difference. Einsteins theory is proven by this fact alone. Right?
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

There are many things in life that are real and yet we have no idea how they work. Acupuncture is one. Love is one. Why do i like Thai food? Is there a scientific equation for that? If not does that mean it's not real?



- Placebo effect


Proven to be a very valuable cure for many maladies and diseases... The placebo effect has worked wonders.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Often people who research and research and research just ending up going deeper and deeper down rabbitholes only paying "serious" attention to that which already confirms their biases. Years and years of research is not always helpful in getting to the truth (not all research has the same merit) and can lead to a bunch of other questionable beliefs, pseudo-scientific views and general crackpottery.
The sunk cost fallacy also plays into this. People who have invested years of "research" (however meaningful it might have been) and possibly money (you can buy some really expensive Orgone "devices" on the internet) do not like the idea that it might all have been a waste of time - or even worse, that they've "been had". The typical angry responses and personal attacks one gets for pointing out basic facts to these people (like that their tenets contradict well-established scientific laws and therefore cannot be correct) are a strong indication of these biases having been at work for years. 
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Absolutely. The investment of time and money, pride, the echo chamber effect/ conformation bias, bias reinforcement, that idea of being special and holding esoteric knowledge that others just can't see or are too blinded to see are all major factors, and a sense of belonging to some exclusive club that know the truth for many.

I have been interested in cults, especially Heaven's Gate and when doubts arise that idea of having wasted so much of your life was strong factor in remaining. And the community. They were put into pairs as check partners to affirm that each was following the right path. Even the leader had doubts, but the "students' would want to reassure him that what they were doing was right. And no doubt his pride was important. I have heard from scientists who have said that it could be so hard to let go of a hypothesis after investing years on it when evidence/ data conflicts with it. People want to be right and self-correcting is often not easy nor is being corrected by others. So often people take offence when one questions their methodology -- take it as a personal attack rather than an opportunity for reassessment and growth or shift the goalpots when confronted as they get defensive. The truth (or what seems more reasonable) can be a very bitter pill to swallow. "You want the truth? You can't handle the truth."


Depends.   Only someone who has lived through the cult experience and come out the other side can speak on it with any real authority.   And only someone who has done so much research into something that they come full circle to realize much of what they thought they knew is likely incorrect can confidently say, for example, that though UAP craft are clearly real, they are probably not alien in origin but rather human tech that is still undercover.   

The problem with the "sunk cost fallacy" is it ignores the small number of astute individuals who will eventually not mind the sunk costs, move onto better sources & ideas in a given topic, and keep investigating even if the end result is the non-existence of what they were curious about.   

The 'sunk cost fallacy' is an easy, lazy, unproductive notion utilized to point out the mythology or conspiratorial aspects of something without truly knowing it from the inside out.   It is more difficult and takes more balls to find evidence for demonstrable falsehoods about something highly complex and to publicly proclaim those falsehoods by way of first hand knowledge, than it does to point a finger at those who have actually put in the work & time to be fully informed.

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^ The sunk cost fallacy is just one of many factors at work in cult followers. 

Do you have to be a heavy smoker to speak with authority on the dangers of smoking? No. On the contrary. Even though smoking has some nasty side effects that are evident to smokers (e.g. coughing, gum/teeth problems and so on), the fact that it causes cancer only becomes evident on a population level. Anyone can discover that, whether they themselves smoke cigarettes or not. First hand experience is almost irrelevant here.

Likewise it is irrelevant whether I have an extensive collection of Orgone devices, or a bookshelf full of astrology manuals, or a track record of having received homeopathic remedies or acupuncture treatments.

On UAPs: The most important thing about them is the "U" - they are unidentified. Could be alien, could be "undercover tech", or just imagination/hoax/natural. How do you get to assuming that they are "clearly real" when they have not been identified?



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Yes you do have to be a heavy smoker to speak with authority on the dangers of smoking.   Warnings from Health Professionals do not suffice, even if those warnings may turn out to be correct.   

If one wants to speak with insight and detail about cults ~ or more specifically, what it is to be in a cult ~ there is no substitute for experience.   Having been in a cult, I say that with confidence.   No amount of armchair detective work will be superior.

If one wants to know what is required to build your body, you have be immersed in it because otherwise you would never know with conviction that it is not about lifting weights but rather the consumption of large doses of complex proteins and eating said proteins at least every four hours;   Allowing thorough rest periods of up to two to three days between workouts, as it's rest that allow muscle growth to occur;   That small repetitions of heavy weight is what is key rather than long reps of medium weight;   That handheld free-weights are far more useful than machines or other modified weight systems;   And that ultimately what kind of physique you want is based on variations of those methods.

As for UAPs, again it is often first-hand experience that can make the difference.   The UFOs I have witnessed were unidentified, sure, but without doubt physical objects propelled by unobservable means and being chased by military jets.   My perception?-- Probably craft well-known to Navy authorities and possibly to navy pilots, and not manned 'saucers' from other parts of the galaxy.   They are clearly tangible, non-fictitious objects, reported by professional pilots and trained observers who continue to report & support these findings for nearly 80 years.


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Well, let’s agree to disagree. We clearly live in different universes

Btw: half of your claims about body-building are outdated - for example, the fitness community has gone around to accepting that you can eat your protein in a single meal rather than distributing it as you describe. Nutrition and Fitness “science” is usually just unsupported hypotheses based on observational studies rather than hard science, which is why it frequently changes.

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No we clearly live in the same universe. I think that we can agree on.   
   
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^ prove it
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^ That is a weak, un-serious, and unpersuasive response.

^ ^ ^ Fitness information regarding bodybuilding has not changed much at all, which is why it is effective and continues to be proven by the very athletes (or even just actors & body models) who practice it.






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Time marches on, in a linear progressive evolutionary fashion.  That is our collective consensus agreement to play this game.  Everything evolves over time, including health care treatments. 

The logical evolutionary advancement in “medicine” would be, chemical healing, energy healing, causal healing.  Matter-Energy-Consciousness..  Currently, the main focus is on chemical healing with the other 2 approaches being foolishly scoffed at.  You can’t stop progress, you can slow it down or speed it up, but you can’t stop it as you can’t stop time.

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