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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Time, too, has a name but we don't know what it really is. So, if we take a slice from his three points universe, and put other slices before and after it, even in a loop if we want, this sequence represents time, but we need movement. If the slices are pages of a book, time/movement consists in turning the pages. What Barbour says is that "the whole book exists regardless the turning of the pages"


If each page represents a snapshot of the state of the universe, and if the whole book already exists, then the future state of the universe is predetermined -- hence, there is no free will. Our fate is already determined, as documented in "the book".
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ Which implies there is no 'God'.
One thing I agree with.

From a purely logical point of view:

If god is the creator of the universe, it doesn't exist inside its creation
If Universe means "everything that exists, things outside of it don't exist

Therefore god.

What if God didn't create the universe, but rather an infinitesimal part of his infinite being became the universe?  BTW, an infinitesimal part of infinity is still infinity. 
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Originally posted by wiz_d_kidd wiz_d_kidd wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Time, too, has a name but we don't know what it really is. So, if we take a slice from his three points universe, and put other slices before and after it, even in a loop if we want, this sequence represents time, but we need movement. If the slices are pages of a book, time/movement consists in turning the pages. What Barbour says is that "the whole book exists regardless the turning of the pages"


If each page represents a snapshot of the state of the universe, and if the whole book already exists, then the future state of the universe is predetermined -- hence, there is no free will. Our fate is already determined, as documented in "the book".

Why can't there be both, destiny/fate and freewill?  An analogy as to your soul's destiny is to go down a particular hallway, your journey will be from point A to point B.  How you go down that hallway is up to your free will.  You can walk, skip, run, crawl, open every single door or not.  If you have OCD you will tap on every single doorTongue

Another example as destiny would be a trip from NY to California.  That trip you must take as your destiny, the way you go about it is your free will.  Drive, fly, walk, run, bicycle, make several or no stops along the way.
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