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Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

(Takes long hit off bong… cough cough)


Nice.   I smoked for years but had to stop due to a condition that causes terrible stomach pain & nausea called Cannabis Hyperemises.   I occasionally miss it but the cravings pass.   Now I just drink Scotch.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Valdez Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 hours 57 minutes ago at 22:50
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

(Takes long hit off bong… cough cough)


Nice.   I smoked for years but had to stop due to a condition that causes terrible stomach pain & nausea called Cannabis Hyperemises.   I occasionally miss it but the cravings pass.   Now I just drink Scotch.



I quit because it caused me to overthink “everything”. Plus I found myself raising 2 beautiful daughters and they became priority. Being sober made me a better dad I think. They are in their late 20s now and doing fine. I have a beer or two every now and then . I had some problems with alcohol when my first wife passed. So I keep it to 2 drinks. But this coffee habit… dang!!
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I don't and never will smoke weed for two reasons.

1. It's strictly banned in my country.
2. I'm poor and have a tendency for addictions. Weed would drain all my money in no time. I mean, it's not dirt cheap.

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I read Barbour's book back when it came out. I remember it being a rather dry, difficult read. If I'm remembering it correctly, much of it had to do with Planck length (or maybe Planck time?) and the "nows" were separated by this. It's an interesting idea, but I sometimes wonder if this is just mathematics trying to find a different reality that may not actually be there. I never read Smolin's book.

Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

If consciousness (as we reckon it) didn't exist, then time wouldn't either.

That's a curious idea worthy of thinking about. It sort of reminds me a bit of Donald Hoffman's studies on this in which he considers consciousness as something fundamental in the universe and the physical world emerges from that. It's kind of hard to wrap my brain around that, but curious nonetheless.


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...then watch them in rapid sequence.

"Rapid sequence" is a time-dependent operation. You're using something that depends on time to define time.

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Originally posted by wiz_d_kidd wiz_d_kidd wrote:

...then watch them in rapid sequence.

"Rapid sequence" is a time-dependent operation. You're using something that depends on time to define time.


Yep!! Hard to deny that!
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I have not read either of the 2 books, but they seem fascinating.  Both authors could be right in their own way.

 

Space and time are inseparable. The faster you travel through space, the slower you travel through time. This has been experimented with and demonstrated many times over.  Theoretically, if you can travel at the speed of light, time would essentially stop.  Does this mean that time does not really exist?

 

I think that it exists experientially but not in “reality”.  Similar to matter not being real, only existing experientially.  

 

“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.”  - Alber Einstein

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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

I read Barbour's book back when it came out. I remember it being a rather dry, difficult read. If I'm remembering it correctly, much of it had to do with Planck length (or maybe Planck time?) and the "nows" were separated by this. It's an interesting idea, but I sometimes wonder if this is just mathematics trying to find a different reality that may not actually be there. I never read Smolin's book.

Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

If consciousness (as we reckon it) didn't exist, then time wouldn't either.

That's a curious idea worthy of thinking about. It sort of reminds me a bit of Donald Hoffman's studies on this in which he considers consciousness as something fundamental in the universe and the physical world emerges from that. It's kind of hard to wrap my brain around that, but curious nonetheless.


Science boils down everything to just 2 components, energy and consciousness.  All matter is energy fluctuations. Matter is not solid or motionless. If matter is comprised of energy, then can energy be comprised of consciousness?  If so, the physical world emerges from it, along with the universe and anything in creation.  Tis all a dream..


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^ Which implies there is no 'God'.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ Which implies there is no 'God'.

If there is only consciousness, and only 1 consciousness, then God must have a  massive delusional multiple personality symptom. Confused


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^ Or the universe & natural world is God. In other words there is no God.
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that is my understanding, all that is, Is God.  Existence itself, pure and simple, there is nothing else.  Non-existence, by definition, does not exist.
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