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Poll Question: What was the peak (or best) year for prog?
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There have been many subjective answers here, but I have certainly the impression that the OP is asking for some more objective ones, meaning, not just based on personal tastes and preferences.

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^ I appreciated your methodology, David, but of course there is going to be personal bias (subjectivity) in what method one chooses. Of course there were some years where Progressive Rock as we know it especially a narrower genre/style (less so approach methinks for this example) had peaked in output, prominence, and popularity.

As for the OP's intentions, I guess those often get clearer as the discussions with the OP develop and become more sophisticated and specific over time. Then one can hone in on different methodologies. 72 and 73 are often considered peak years (1973 especially). This kind of topic has been done many times (nothing wrong with that) and the results seem consistent with those done in the past from my memory.

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


There have been many subjective answers here, but I have certainly the impression that the OP is asking for some more objective ones, meaning, not just based on personal tastes and preferences.


I think it would be near impossible to not take personal tastes into consideration when deciding what is the best year. Of course ultimately it's subjective. That said, you are right in that one should try to be as objective as possible. So even if tales from topographic oceans is your favorite Yes album but you don't think it's their best and you think The Yes Album or Close to the Edge is then vote for the year that corresponds to that album. Then of course you would have to factor in albums from other bands as well.


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I'm still thinking...1971 has some of my favorite albums ever, but there's a lot up to 1976. 
I'd say the decade 1967-1976 is my era.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2024 at 13:19
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

As for the OP's intentions, I guess those often get clearer as the discussions with the OP develop and become more sophisticated and specific over time. Then one can hone in on different methodologies. 72 and 73 are often considered peak years (1973 especially). This kind of topic has been done many times (nothing wrong with that) and the results seem consistent with those done in the past from my memory.

Yes, that's what I had been thinking too, so actually, I got some suprised by seeing the statistics from RYM's chart.

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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

There have been many subjective answers here, but I have certainly the impression that the OP is asking for some more objective ones, meaning, not just based on personal tastes and preferences.
I think it would be near impossible to not take personal tastes into consideration when deciding what is the best year. Of course ultimately it's subjective. That said, you are right in that one should try to be as objective as possible. So even if tales from topographic oceans is your favorite Yes album but you don't think it's their best and you think The Yes Album or Close to the Edge is then vote for the year that corresponds to that album. Then of course you would have to factor in albums from other bands as well.

I'm not sure here that you've seen it, as what I have in mind is the kind of answer which is based on some "objective" criteria like in this post of mine:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

If looking at RYM's chart for 150 highest rated Progressive Rock albums for the years 1971-76 (with popularity weighting on 4), 
so many albums are on it from each year:

                       1971 - 27
                       1972 - 25
                       1973 - 29
                       1974 - 29
                       1975 - 25
                       1976 - 15

( https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/1971-1976/g:progressive%2drock/pop:4/ )

On that basis, I'd say, it's hardly possible to point at any year(s) in the period 1971-75 as the best one(s).



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Well, aside from the statistics, I still think the best period for prog in the so called classic era, strictly production-wise was 1975-1981 due to the advancement in synthesizers and recording technology. No longer was quality of the majority of recorded music (especially outside of the UK and US) brought down by the gritty "undercoked" sonics. From that point on, albums would sound much more defined and fat. In addition to that, a lot of prog bands had gotten equipped with new syntheziers, which resulted in richer and more colorful arrangements (take Rush or Kaipa for example).
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Well, aside from the statistics, I still think the best period for prog in the so called classic era, strictly production-wise was 1975-1981 due to the advancement in synthesizers and recording technology. No longer was quality of the majority of recorded music (especially outside of the UK and US) brought down by the gritty "undercoked" sonics. From that point on, albums would sound much more defined and fat. In addition to that, a lot of prog bands had gotten equipped with new syntheziers, which resulted in richer and more colorful arrangements (take Rush or Kaipa for example).

It's also my (audiophile) experience that the sound quality in the second half of the '70s was the best one.

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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Well, aside from the statistics, I still think the best period for prog in the so called classic era, strictly production-wise was 1975-1981 due to the advancement in synthesizers and recording technology. No longer was quality of the majority of recorded music (especially outside of the UK and US) brought down by the gritty "undercoked" sonics. From that point on, albums would sound much more defined and fat. In addition to that, a lot of prog bands had gotten equipped with new syntheziers, which resulted in richer and more colorful arrangements (take Rush or Kaipa for example).

The synths on Brain Salad Surgery (73), Relayer and Lamb (both 74) all sound fine to me and very advanced for when they were recorded. You could even go back a little earlier. 

However, I will say that I always found it unfortunate that prog started to die out around 77/78 because the synth sounds happening at time (which were still developing as you implied) would have fit right in with prog. You can hear it in a lot of new wave stuff. Blondie's "heart of glass" is a good example. Listen to the synth on that. 


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For synths I've never heard anything better than Gary Numan's Replicas album (1979) and also the single Cars by him. I've also always preferred the synths sounds that Vangelis and Tangerine Dream were getting around 1977-1983 more than any other era. The theme music for Stranger Things was also a nod to that era I think.
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If looking at the number of Progressive Rock releases each year, according to RYM's statistics they were about:

                      1971  -  470
                      1972  -  530
                      1973  -  470
                      1974  -  400
                      1975  -  470
                      1976  -  450

( https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/progressive-rock/ )


Edited by David_D - September 15 2024 at 06:48
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I consider 2023 the greatest prog year since the 70s...with a 73 sweet spot.  Don't get me wrong, 2023 does not top the 71-74 period.  

  According to PA ratings, 2023 has 70 albums that average 4.00 or higher.  Even when factoring in recency bias, 2023 is impressive.  The year 2024 has 56 albums and 2022 has 46 albums that average 4.00 or higher.  

That said, PA's album rating system is not why I put forth 2023.  I subjectively believe 2023 is the best prog-year since the 70s.  I added the PA ratings as objective evidence to support my subjective claim. 

Subjectively...your mileage may vary. Different strokes for different folks.


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I voted arbitrarily 1971, because it needed help.

Gnosis 2000 being temporaily out, I couldn't really check my cumulative ratings to see which year is actually better.
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of lesser interest for the topic of this thread.



Edited by Sean Trane - September 19 2024 at 03:02
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1973.  King Crimson's "Larks Tongues in Aspic" seals the deal for me.  
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

The synths on Brain Salad Surgery (73), Relayer and Lamb (both 74) all sound fine to me and very advanced for when they were recorded.
They do, but keep in mind that these examples are exceptions. At the time there were only a handful of bands that could lay their hands on such cutting edge tech. Outside of the 1st world commonwealth countries, most rock/prog formations didn't have access to professional synthesizers before mid 1974.

But it's not just the synths. The whole craft of mixing and recording music IMO got better by the late 70s.

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I voted 1973 because, within the greater tapestry of progressive music, from "Tubular Bells" to "Birds of Fire," that year stands out as a veritable zenith, where its most illustrious bands reached their creative apogee and progressive music gained commercial exposure without sacrificing its artistic sensibility. Both their vast artistic approaches and the improvements in recording technique contributed to the 1973 albums' superb sound quality.
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