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Topic: What was the best year for prog?Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Subject: What was the best year for prog?
Date Posted: September 12 2024 at 12:04
I figure most (including me) will say it was in the 70s so I didn't bother with later years. If I did then I would have to have put them all out. No one later year seems to stand out though. Plus, consensus seems to be that prog's peak years were in the first half of the 70s so there you go.
Replies: Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 12 2024 at 12:09
1973 for me. The year of Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells, Renaissance' Ashes Are Burning and Genesis' Selling England by the Pound, to name just three.
Posted By: LaMort
Date Posted: September 12 2024 at 12:31
1972.
Thick as a Brick - JETHRO TULL
Close to the Edge & Roundabout (single) - YES
YS - THE BRONZE BALLET
Foxtrot - GENESIS
Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: September 12 2024 at 12:33
For me it has to be 1972 - the year of two of the most iconic prog albums of all time - TAAB and CTTE.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: September 12 2024 at 12:34
LaMort wrote:
1972.
Thick as a Brick - JETHRO TULL
Close to the Edge & Roundabout (single) - YES
YS - THE BRONZE BALLET
Foxtrot - GENESIS
YS? You mean the album by Il Balletto Di Bronzo? I agree. That's a great album.
Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: September 12 2024 at 12:35
1973 would be a close second with the aforementioned Tubular Bells, and DSotM of course, amongst other notable prog works.
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Posted By: Gentle and Giant
Date Posted: September 12 2024 at 12:38
This year as we have more prog right now than ever before.
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Posted By: LaMort
Date Posted: September 12 2024 at 12:47
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
LaMort wrote:
1972.
Thick as a Brick - JETHRO TULL
Close to the Edge & Roundabout (single) - YES
YS - THE BRONZE BALLET
Foxtrot - GENESIS
YS? You mean the album by Il Balletto Di Bronzo? I agree. That's a great album.
Correct. And i would love to thank MARIO BAVA for introducing me to them, in his film...Five Dolls for an August Moon.
Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: September 12 2024 at 12:58
Gentle and Giant wrote:
This year as we have more prog right now than ever before.
An interesting way of looking at it... so me thinking laterally would suggest 1979 as possibly being the best year for prog because by *then we had all of the classic era prog. Others may disagree of course
*i.e. the release of 'The Wall' at the tail end of 1979
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Posted By: Criswell
Date Posted: September 12 2024 at 13:06
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
1973 for me. The year of Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells, Renaissance' Ashes Are Burning and Genesis' Selling England by the Pound, to name just three.
Concur with 1973...add Brain Salad Surgery, Tales, 6 Wives, & Future Days (CAN)...
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: September 12 2024 at 13:30
Gentle and Giant wrote:
This year as we have more prog right now than ever before.
So that was you that voted "other" then?
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 12 2024 at 13:40
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
No one later year seems to stand out though.
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1980
Art Zoyd – Génération Sans Futur Jeff Beck – There and Back Blue Öyster Cult – Cultösaurus Erectus Brand X – Do They Hurt? Al Di Meola – Splendido Hotel Ashra – Belle Alliance Bruford – Gradually Going Tornado Dixie Dregs – Dregs of the Earth Eloy – Colours Keith Emerson – Inferno Gamma – Gamma 2 Gandalf – Journey to an Imaginary Land Genesis – Duke Goblin – Contamination Group 87 – Group 87 Steve Hackett – Defector Hawkwind – Levitation Jethro Tull – A David Earle Johnson with Jan Hammer – Hip Address Kansas – Audio-Visions Kenso – Kenso Kerry Livgren – Seeds of Change Kitaro – In Person Irene Papas | Vangelis – Odes Anthony Phillips – 1984 Richard Pinhas – East West Didier Lockwood – Live in Montreux Jean-Luc Ponty – Civilized Evil Rush – Permanent Waves Saga – Silent Knight Carlos Santana – The Swing of Delight Robert Schroeder – Floating Music Klaus Schulze – ...Live... Sky – Sky 2 Tangerine Dream – Tangram Yes – Drama
*Führs & Frohling – Live 1980 (released 2001)
1981
Blue Öyster Cult – Fire of Unknown Origin Fabio Frizzi – The Beyond King Crimson – Discipline Di Meola / McLaughlin / De Lucia – Friday Night in San Francisco Dregs – Unsung Heroes Eloy – Planets Gandalf – Visions Hawkwind – Sonic Attack Michael Hedges – Breakfast in the Field However – Sudden Dusk Jean-Michel Jarre – Magnetic Fields Yoshiaki Masuo with Jan Hammer – Finger Dancing Vangelis – Chariots of Fire Rush – Moving Pictures Saga – Worlds Apart Robert Schroeder – Mosaique Synergy – Audion Tangerine Dream – Exit Tangerine Dream – Thief Twelfth Night – Live at the Target Richard Wahnfried – Tonwelle Rick Wakeman – The Burning Rick Wakeman – 1984 Frank Zappa – Shut Up 'N Play Yer Guitar
Posted By: poseído del alba
Date Posted: September 12 2024 at 14:08
Tough...I'll have to go with Foxtrot, Close to the Edge, Octopus & Darwin [=D>]
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: September 12 2024 at 14:10
I'm going to go with 1974. Having said that, some of the more recent years (from 2018 onward) I feel rival the early 1970s. I just can't decide which one is best. My stomach came with an optional concrete infrastructure research database which I have yet to use.
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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: September 12 2024 at 14:18
1959, of course! That's the year ofMiles Davis’ Kind of Blue, the album that gave birth to modal jazz; the complexity and melodic genius of John Coltrane’s Giant Steps; Ornette Coleman’s The Shape of Jazz to Come, which did away with conventional harmony and form altogether; Dave Brubeck’s Time Out, which pushed the boundaries of meter and rhythm in jazz, and the energized and politically charged compositions of Charles Mingus’ Mingus Ah Um, Art Blakey's Moanin', as well as Abbey Lincoln's Abby Lincoln Is Blue, Bill Evans' Everybody Digs Bill Evans, Art Blakey Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers, Sonny Rollins' Newk's Time and more.
Oh, wait! Am I on the wrong site?
No, Miles Davis' Kind of Blue: #26 on ProgArchives' list of 100 Top Prog Albums of All-Time! Need I say more?
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: September 12 2024 at 18:12
1971 is the single greatest year for rock music, prog or otherwise. Studio releases, Prog/Prog adjacent in order of release:
Chicago - Chicago III
Uriah Heep - Salisbury
Yes - The Yes Album
Miles Davis - Jack Johnson
Soft Machine - Fourth
Jethro Tull - Aqualung
The Groundhogs - Split
Amon Düül II - Tanz der Lemminge
Caravan - In the Land of Grey and Pink
Procol Harum - Broken Barricades
The Nice - Elegy
Captain Beefheart - Mirror Man
Weather Report - S/T Debut
Roy Harper - Stormcock
Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Tarkus
Funkadelic - Maggot Brain
Gentle Giant - Acquiring the Taste
The Moody Blues - Every Good Boy Deserves Favour
Deep Purple - Fireball
Strawbs - From the Witchwood
The Who - Who's Next
Black Sabbath - Master of Reality
Can - Tago Mago
Uriah Heep - Look at Yourself
Santana - Santana III
Frank Zappa - 200 Motels
Jeff Beck - Rough and Ready
Gong - Camembert Electrique
Focus - II (Moving Waves)
Gary Wright - Footprint
Mahavishnu Orchestra - Inner Mounting Flame
Pink Floyd - Meddle
Barclay James Harvest - Barclay James Harvest and Other Stories
Sly and the Family Stone - There's a Riot Going On
Elton John - Madman Across the Water
Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin IV
Yes - Fragile
Genesis - Nursery Cryme
Van der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts
Isaac Hayes - Black Moses
John Martyn - Bless the Weather
Alice Cooper - Killer (also Love It to Death released earlier)
Traffic - Low Spark of High Heeled Boys
Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Pictures at an Exhibition
King Crimson - Islands
Electric Light Orchestra - S/T Debut
David Bowie - Hunky Dory
No Release Date:
John Fahey - America
Edgar Winter - Edgar Winter's White Trash
Faust - S/T Debut
Eloy - S/T Debut
Comus - First Utterance
Jade Warrior - S/T Debut
Leo Kottke - Mudlark
Herbie Hancock - Mwandishi
Jade Warrior - Released
Spirogyra - St. Radigunds
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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: September 12 2024 at 18:19
BrufordFreak wrote:
1959, of course! That's the year ofMiles Davis’ Kind of Blue, the album that gave birth to modal jazz; the complexity and melodic genius of John Coltrane’s Giant Steps; Ornette Coleman’s The Shape of Jazz to Come, which did away with conventional harmony and form altogether; Dave Brubeck’s Time Out, which pushed the boundaries of meter and rhythm in jazz, and the energized and politically charged compositions of Charles Mingus’ Mingus Ah Um, Art Blakey's Moanin', as well as Abbey Lincoln's Abby Lincoln Is Blue, Bill Evans' Everybody Digs Bill Evans, Art Blakey Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers, Sonny Rollins' Newk's Time and more.
Oh, wait! Am I on the wrong site?
No, Miles Davis' Kind of Blue: #26 on ProgArchives' list of 100 Top Prog Albums of All-Time! Need I say more?
1959 is also generally considered the best year for Gibson Les Paul. ;P
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: September 12 2024 at 18:30
Dark Elf, you left off ELP's Tarkus. Was that intentional? I see Nursery Cryme by Genesis is absent also.
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: September 12 2024 at 18:34
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
Dark Elf, you left off ELP's Tarkus. Was that intentional? I see Nursery Cryme by Genesis is absent also.
Nursery Cryme is there. I'll edit in the Tarkus omission.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: September 12 2024 at 18:37
^Oh ok. Not sure how I missed Nursery Cryme then. I know a lot of people don't like the "thin" production on it but I've never really noticed that much (same with Going for the One which people complain about).
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: September 12 2024 at 18:48
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
^Oh ok. Not sure how I missed Nursery Cryme then. I know a lot of people don't like the "thin" production on it but I've never really noticed that much (same with Going for the One which people complain about).
Nah, Cryme is the first "proper" Genesis album in my book. As far as 1971, it is the first real explosion of prog, krautrock, progressive soul, progressive folk, experimental electric, fusion rock/jazz, and even rock bands with prog pretensions (ie. Zeppelin, The Who, Heep, Purple, Alice Cooper, Sabbath, etc.).
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: September 12 2024 at 18:52
1975
Triumvirat-Spartacus
Mahavishnu Orchestra-Visions Of The Emerald Beyond
Passport-Cross Collateral
PFM-Chocolate Kings
Gentle Giant-Freehand
Nektar-Recycled
Tangerine Dream-Rubycon
Rush-Fly By Night
Headstone-Headstone
Solution-Cordon Blue
Soft Machine-Bundles
Libra-Libra
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 12 2024 at 23:19
I tend to think 1974 but then there is no one year that has my favourite release by a major band/artist (1977 should be in the poll as it's obviously a stronger year than 1976 imo)
1971
VDGG - Pawn Hearts
Jethro Tull - Acqualung
Focus - Moving Waves
1972
PFM - Per Un Amico
Genesis - Foxtrot
Yes - Close To The Edge
Aphrodite's Child - 666
Electric Light Orchestra - ELO 2
Banco - Darwin!
1973
ELP - Brain Salad Surgery
Curved Air - Aircut
Rick Wakeman - Six Wives Of Henry VIII
Le Orme - Felona E Sorona
1974
King Crimson - Red
Triumvirat - Illusions On A Double Dimple
Gentle Giant - The Power and the Glory
Supertramp - Crime Of The Century
Kayak - s/t
Peter Hammill - The Silent Corner and The Empty Stage
Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom
Refugee - Refugee
Kansas - s/t
Kraftwerk - Autobahn
1975
Camel - The Snow Goose
Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn
Vangelis - Heaven and Hell
Steve Hackett - Voyage Of THe Acolyte
Harmonium - So On Avait Besoin D'une Cinquieme Saison
Edgar Froese - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale
Birds - Trace
Cherry Five - s/t
1976
Eloy - Dawn
Tangerine Dream - Stratosfear
Manfred Mann's Earthband - The Roaring Silence
Be Bop Deluxe - Sunburst Finish
1977
Pink Floyd - Animals
Hawkwind - Quark, Strangeness and Charm
Rush - A Farewell To Arms
Loccanda Delle Fate - Forse Le Lucciole Non Si Amano Piu
Colosseum II - Electric Savage
Peter Gabriel - Car
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: September 13 2024 at 00:41
1975 just over 1971, 1972 and 1973.
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Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: September 13 2024 at 02:30
Criswell wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
1973 for me. The year of Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells, Renaissance' Ashes Are Burning and Genesis' Selling England by the Pound, to name just three.
Concur with 1973...add Brain Salad Surgery, Tales, 6 Wives, & Future Days (CAN)...
And DSOTM….
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 13 2024 at 03:03
The Dark Elf wrote:
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
^Oh ok. Not sure how I missed Nursery Cryme then. I know a lot of people don't like the "thin" production on it but I've never really noticed that much (same with Going for the One which people complain about).
Nah, Cryme is the first "proper" Genesis album in my book. As far as 1971, it is the first real explosion of prog, krautrock, progressive soul, progressive folk, experimental electric, fusion rock/jazz, and even rock bands with prog pretensions (ie. Zeppelin, The Who, Heep, Purple, Alice Cooper, Sabbath, etc.).
For me that year is 1970. Although would have ended up voting for 1971 I think it's weird that it's not one of the options in the poll. Most classic progbands released a much stronger album in 1970 than they did in 1976.
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 13 2024 at 04:34
Hrychu wrote:
1959 is also generally considered the best year for Gibson Les Paul. ;P
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 13 2024 at 04:44
If looking at RYM's chart for 150 highest rated Progressive Rock albums for the years 1971-76 (with popularity weighting on 4),
1973: Genesis - Selling England by the Pound - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kkgAn92SdFt_nUYmDjGo8jyKGKnQ_AM8Q" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kkgAn92SdFt_nUYmDjGo8jyKGKnQ_AM8Q
1973: Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l1x-JAx0w53suECoCI0YJtW6VB8DBQWRQ" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l1x-JAx0w53suECoCI0YJtW6VB8DBQWRQ
1973: Rick Wakeman - The Six Wives of Henry VIII - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J00015lLDM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J00015lLDM
Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: September 13 2024 at 05:31
Toss up between '72 and '73 - can't vote.
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: September 13 2024 at 05:48
1972 for me, though the whole era was fantasic.
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: September 13 2024 at 07:03
Hi,
I have no idea how to make a choice here. I listen to music for the work and its color, and while it all came alive for me in 1971/1972, I never thought that a specific year was more important than another ... it's weird ... for me all music in timeless ... not set in stone to one year or time period.
We don't look at Beethoven and say that 1813 was his greatest year! I simply don't understand how we continue to think and look at "progressive music" as just another song ... most of it in those early days was NOT JUST A SONG! And that would have been the main reason why folks in the independent FM Radio in America played them! To get away from the song mentality of the 2 minute Light My Fire!
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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: September 13 2024 at 07:52
Out of my alltime favorite albums, I took only those that were made in the 70s, and counted how many records from each year of that decade there were on my list. And it turns out that 1976 is the winner (9 albums), while 1978 is second place (8 albums). :)
*Though, keep in mind that my list consists of prog music from all over the world, and not just the 1st World Commonwealth countries.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 13 2024 at 08:23
moshkito wrote:
We don't look at Beethoven and say that 1813 was his greatest year!
No probably not, but "we" can speak of peak-Romanicism. Some actually do (not me personally).
Selecting a (for me, favorite not best) year in music is a bit silly or pointless. I know. But I have a brain that occasionally works a little like that, and there's nothing I can do to prevent it. I know I've looked through my collection of jazz albums too and thought to myself "Goodness, to think that all of these masterworks were released in 1964! Surely my favorite year in jazz". -But it doesn't really mean anything. I didn't buy any of them because of the year of it's release. It's just something I've noticed. No different than noticing I have a lot of Jazz albums recorded at Van Gelder Studio.
Posted By: VianaProghead
Date Posted: September 13 2024 at 08:41
I also think 1973.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 13 2024 at 08:53
Hrychu wrote:
Out of my alltime favorite albums, I took only those that were made in the 70s, and counted how many records from each year of that decade there were on my list. And it turns out that 1976 is the winner (9 albums), while 1978 is second place (8 albums). :)
*Though, keep in mind that my list consists of prog music from all over the world, and not just the 1st World Commonwealth countries.
So no albums in 1971?!
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: September 13 2024 at 09:11
2019 for me.
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: September 13 2024 at 09:26
Cristi wrote:
Hrychu wrote:
Out of my alltime favorite albums, I took only those that were made in the 70s, and counted how many records from each year of that decade there were on my list. And it turns out that 1976 is the winner (9 albums), while 1978 is second place (8 albums). :)
*Though, keep in mind that my list consists of prog music from all over the world, and not just the 1st World Commonwealth countries.
So no albums in 1971?!
Strange, I know. I mean, I was almost gonna add Pictures at an Exhibition by ELP, but then I realized that I'm not really that excited about that record to put it on my "favorites" list.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 13 2024 at 09:30
Saperlipopette! wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
^Oh ok. Not sure how I missed Nursery Cryme then. I know a lot of people don't like the "thin" production on it but I've never really noticed that much (same with Going for the One which people complain about).
Nah, Cryme is the first "proper" Genesis album in my book. As far as 1971, it is the first real explosion of prog, krautrock, progressive soul, progressive folk, experimental electric, fusion rock/jazz, and even rock bands with prog pretensions (ie. Zeppelin, The Who, Heep, Purple, Alice Cooper, Sabbath, etc.).
For me that year is 1970. Although would have ended up voting for 1971 I think it's weird that it's not one of the options in the poll. Most classic progbands released a much stronger album in 1970 than they did in 1976.
1970 is awesome. Magma's debut, Soft Machine's Third, VdGG's The Least We Can Do Is Wave to Each, OtherAmon Düül II's Yeti, Linda Perhacs' Parallelograms, Pink Floyd's Atom Heart Mother, Supersister's Present From Nancy, Miles Davis' Bitches Brew, Gentle Giant's s/t, Miroslav Vitous' Infinite Dance, Pentangle's Cruel Sister etc.
I will go with 1971 for VdGG's Pawn Hearts, Serge Gainsbourg's Histoire de Melody Nelson, Can's Tago Mago, Comus' First Utterance, Igor Wakhévitch's Docteur Faust, Gentle Giant's Acquiring the Taste, Ash Ra Tempel, Bjorn J:son Lindh's Från storstad till grodspad, Spirogyra's St. Radigunds, Popol Vuh's In den Gärten Pharaos, A.R. & Machines's Die Grüne Reise, Earth & Fire's Song of the Marching Children, Egg's The Polite Force, Roy Harper's Stormcock etc.
Every Prog year has lots of awesome and relevant releases in my collection, but some have more than others. I approach these topics subjectively based on what I know, remember, and even my mood. While I think it would be fair to say that Prog has had its classic peak years, my tastes cover a spectrum of music. For my collection, I don't care much if it's even considered Prog. I like lots of different kinds of music from lots of years. One can think of these sorts of things as just trying to think through a way to come to a year. I would not pooh-pooh that. It can be creative. And I think it's good to be challenged to think out of ones own boxes, and into others, and try to come up with an answer using some methodology. We are challenging each other every time we come up with such topics, and to me that is fun. Wish more did topics, more support of each other's topics, that there was a wider variety of topics, and a wider appreciation of kinds of topics and more discussion in polls. But no complaints, the forum is not as lively as it once was.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 13 2024 at 09:31
Hrychu wrote:
Cristi wrote:
So no albums in 1971?!
Strange, I know. I mean, I was almost gonna add Pictures at an Exhibition by ELP, but then I realized that I'm not really that excited about that record to put it on my "favorites" list.
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 13 2024 at 09:33
There have been many subjective answers here, but I have certainly the impression that the OP is asking for some more objective ones, meaning, not just based on personal tastes and preferences.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 13 2024 at 09:58
^ I appreciated your methodology, David, but of course there is going to be personal bias (subjectivity) in what method one chooses. Of course there were some years where Progressive Rock as we know it especially a narrower genre/style (less so approach methinks for this example) had peaked in output, prominence, and popularity.
As for the OP's intentions, I guess those often get clearer as the discussions with the OP develop and become more sophisticated and specific over time. Then one can hone in on different methodologies. 72 and 73 are often considered peak years (1973 especially). This kind of topic has been done many times (nothing wrong with that) and the results seem consistent with those done in the past from my memory.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: September 13 2024 at 10:37
David_D wrote:
There have been many subjective answers here, but I have certainly the impression that the OP is asking for some more objective ones, meaning, not just based on personal tastes and preferences.
I think it would be near impossible to not take personal tastes into consideration when deciding what is the best year. Of course ultimately it's subjective. That said, you are right in that one should try to be as objective as possible. So even if tales from topographic oceans is your favorite Yes album but you don't think it's their best and you think The Yes Album or Close to the Edge is then vote for the year that corresponds to that album. Then of course you would have to factor in albums from other bands as well.
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 13 2024 at 10:50
I'm still thinking...1971 has some of my favorite albums ever, but there's a lot up to 1976.
I'd say the decade 1967-1976 is my era.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 13 2024 at 13:19
Logan wrote:
As for the OP's intentions, I guess those often get clearer as the discussions with the OP develop and become more sophisticated and specific over time. Then one can hone in on different methodologies. 72 and 73 are often considered peak years (1973 especially). This kind of topic has been done many times (nothing wrong with that) and the results seem consistent with those done in the past from my memory.
Yes, that's what I had been thinking too, so actually, I got some suprised by seeing the statistics from RYM's chart.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 13 2024 at 13:31
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
David_D wrote:
There have been many subjective answers here, but I have certainly the impression that the OP is asking for some more objective ones, meaning, not just based on personal tastes and preferences.
I think it would be near impossible to not take personal tastes into consideration when deciding what is the best year. Of course ultimately it's subjective. That said, you are right in that one should try to be as objective as possible. So even if tales from topographic oceans is your favorite Yes album but you don't think it's their best and you think The Yes Album or Close to the Edge is then vote for the year that corresponds to that album. Then of course you would have to factor in albums from other bands as well.
I'm not sure here that you've seen it, as what I have in mind is the kind of answer which is based on some "objective" criteria like in this post of mine:
David_D wrote:
If looking at RYM's chart for 150 highest rated Progressive Rock albums for the years 1971-76 (with popularity weighting on 4),
On that basis, I'd say, it's hardly possible to point at any year(s) in the period 1971-75 as the best one(s).
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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: September 14 2024 at 06:10
Well, aside from the statistics, I still think the best period for prog in the so called classic era, strictly production-wise was 1975-1981 due to the advancement in synthesizers and recording technology. No longer was quality of the majority of recorded music (especially outside of the UK and US) brought down by the gritty "undercoked" sonics. From that point on, albums would sound much more defined and fat. In addition to that, a lot of prog bands had gotten equipped with new syntheziers, which resulted in richer and more colorful arrangements (take Rush or Kaipa for example).
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 14 2024 at 08:42
Hrychu wrote:
Well, aside from the statistics, I still think the best period for prog in the so called classic era, strictly production-wise was 1975-1981 due to the advancement in synthesizers and recording technology. No longer was quality of the majority of recorded music (especially outside of the UK and US) brought down by the gritty "undercoked" sonics. From that point on, albums would sound much more defined and fat. In addition to that, a lot of prog bands had gotten equipped with new syntheziers, which resulted in richer and more colorful arrangements (take Rush or Kaipa for example).
It's also my (audiophile) experience that the sound quality in the second half of the '70s was the best one.
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Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: September 14 2024 at 09:11
All great years!
Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: September 14 2024 at 14:21
^indeed
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: September 14 2024 at 15:11
Hrychu wrote:
Well, aside from the statistics, I still think the best period for prog in the so called classic era, strictly production-wise was 1975-1981 due to the advancement in synthesizers and recording technology. No longer was quality of the majority of recorded music (especially outside of the UK and US) brought down by the gritty "undercoked" sonics. From that point on, albums would sound much more defined and fat. In addition to that, a lot of prog bands had gotten equipped with new syntheziers, which resulted in richer and more colorful arrangements (take Rush or Kaipa for example).
The synths on Brain Salad Surgery (73), Relayer and Lamb (both 74) all sound fine to me and very advanced for when they were recorded. You could even go back a little earlier.
However, I will say that I always found it unfortunate that prog started to die out around 77/78 because the synth sounds happening at time (which were still developing as you implied) would have fit right in with prog. You can hear it in a lot of new wave stuff. Blondie's "heart of glass" is a good example. Listen to the synth on that.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 15 2024 at 02:20
For synths I've never heard anything better than Gary Numan's Replicas album (1979) and also the single Cars by him. I've also always preferred the synths sounds that Vangelis and Tangerine Dream were getting around 1977-1983 more than any other era. The theme music for Stranger Things was also a nod to that era I think.
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 15 2024 at 03:16
If looking at the number of Progressive Rock releases each year, according to RYM's statistics they were about:
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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: September 15 2024 at 04:52
I consider 2023 the greatest prog year since the 70s...with a 73 sweet spot. Don't get me wrong, 2023 does not top the 71-74 period.
According to PA ratings, 2023 has 70 albums that average 4.00 or higher. Even when factoring in recency bias, 2023 is impressive. The year 2024 has 56 albums and 2022 has 46 albums that average 4.00 or higher.
That said, PA's album rating system is not why I put forth 2023. I subjectively believe 2023 is the best prog-year since the 70s. I added the PA ratings as objective evidence to support my subjective claim.
Subjectively...your mileage may vary. Different strokes for different folks.
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 15 2024 at 06:46
I voted arbitrarily 1971, because it needed help.
Gnosis 2000 being temporaily out, I couldn't really check my cumulative ratings to see which year is actually better.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 19 2024 at 02:31
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 19 2024 at 02:32
of lesser interest for the topic of this thread.
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: September 19 2024 at 02:51
1973. King Crimson's "Larks Tongues in Aspic" seals the deal for me.
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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: September 19 2024 at 03:40
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
The synths on Brain Salad Surgery (73), Relayer and Lamb (both 74) all sound fine to me and very advanced for when they were recorded.
They do, but keep in mind that these examples are exceptions. At the time there were only a handful of bands that could lay their hands on such cutting edge tech. Outside of the 1st world commonwealth countries, most rock/prog formations didn't have access to professional synthesizers before mid 1974.
But it's not just the synths. The whole craft of mixing and recording music IMO got better by the late 70s.
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Posted By: Starshiper
Date Posted: November 07 2024 at 07:53
I voted 1973 because, within the greater tapestry of progressive music, from "Tubular Bells" to "Birds of Fire," that year stands out as a veritable zenith, where its most illustrious bands reached their creative apogee and progressive music gained commercial exposure without sacrificing its artistic sensibility. Both their vast artistic approaches and the improvements in recording technique contributed to the 1973 albums' superb sound quality.
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 07 2024 at 08:24
Hrychu wrote:
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
The synths on Brain Salad Surgery (73), Relayer and Lamb (both 74) all sound fine to me and very advanced for when they were recorded.
They do, but keep in mind that these examples are exceptions. At the time there were only a handful of bands that could lay their hands on such cutting edge tech. Outside of the 1st world commonwealth countries, most rock/prog formations didn't have access to professional synthesizers before mid 1974.
But it's not just the synths. The whole craft of mixing and recording music IMO got better by the late 70s.
Who the heck told you that? What is your source (re no good synths before mid 74)? Also, I think there's plenty of great sounding albums by the late 70s. I would say by the early 70s it got better (not late). Also, one of the best sounding albums ever made came out in the 60s. Can you guess which one?
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: November 07 2024 at 10:21
Who the heck told you that? What is your source (re no good synths before mid 74)?
Hundreds of prog songs/albums I've dissected and to which I've listened. Keep in mind, that I'm not limiting myself to the 1st world commonwealth regions (a very popular tendency on prog forums). Whether synth usage before '74 was sonically advanced or not is arguable, but you can still easily see that it wasn't internationally widespread and thus a lot of non-commonwealth prog bands either wasn't equipped with the state of the art gear or didn't have a keyboardist/producer with enough experience to really give those synths the proper polish in the mix.
one of the best sounding albums ever made came out in the 60s. Can you guess which one?
I didn't say that in the 60s every album sounded like dogturds. What I mean is that high fidelity recording techniques and richer synthesizer rigs had become more commonplace by the mid-late 70s.
And yes, determining hi-fi vs lo-fi is very subjective.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 07 2024 at 11:05
The Dark Elf wrote:
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1971
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Jethro Tull - Aqualung
The Groundhogs - Split
Amon Düül II - Tanz der Lemminge
Caravan - In the Land of Grey and Pink
Roy Harper - Stormcock
Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Tarkus
Funkadelic - Maggot Brain
Gentle Giant - Acquiring the Taste
Strawbs - From the Witchwood
Can - Tago Mago
Frank Zappa - 200 Motels
Gong - Camembert Electrique
Focus - II (Moving Waves)
Mahavishnu Orchestra - Inner Mounting Flame
Pink Floyd - Meddle
Barclay James Harvest - Barclay James Harvest and Other Stories
Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin IV
Van der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts
Isaac Hayes - Black Moses
Traffic - Low Spark of High Heeled Boys
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Hi,
That is such an awesome listing and very inspiring ... it really shows what we were listening to in those days, and how varied it all was. It really shows how great the independent FM radio in America was so important to what we came to consider as progressive and prog in time ...
I keep saying that it is impossible to think of a "favorite" when you come up against a huge list like this ... but sadly, I'm not sure the Internet folks can relate to it much ... I have my "favorites", however, I can't take them away from everything else ... put on Le Sacre du Printemps, and the list kinda falls apart! Put on Nilsson and Tebaldi in Turandot and so much of the lists fall apart ... but ... some amazing and incredible memories at the juncture of meeting new music in your mind!
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: November 12 2024 at 00:46
Difficult to say. Overall from 71 to 73 was the golden years, with most of the classics. Yet I feel 75 is rather overlooked, with some of my very favourites like Wish you Were Here, Arthur, Ommadawn, the 5 seasons from Harmonium, coming from that year.
Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: November 12 2024 at 00:53