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JesusBetancourt 
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Joined: June 15 2005
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 Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:16 |
 JesusBetancourt wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
I feel it is right, and I also feel it is not right for you to make judgements on other people.
As I said, you are also a drug-user, whether you consider it so or not. Your body is one big chemical reaction.
I do not consider my wife or child to be material things - although you could consider them that way if you were pedantic enough.
There is some good in everything - to paint anything as completely bad is to not understand it.
*peace*
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Friend you have misunderstood me......first of all by materialism I ment your car, house, etc...what i meant by that is that the only thing that matters and that one should be happy for is there family. By saying that all do drugs becouse there body is one big chemical reaction is a naturalistic fallacy. There is only good in that which is pure, holy, and rightess. I never judged you becouse it is not my position to judge becouse i myself am inperfect. |
allow me to also say that it does not matter what one "feels" is right or "feels" whats wrong what matters is what IS right and what IS wrong. Morality is objective not relative. That is why I enjoy music...it is imo amoral.
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"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water"
John 7:38
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Tony R
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:19 |
JesusBetancourt wrote:
JesusBetancourt wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
I feel it is right, and I also feel it is not right for you to make judgements on other people.
As I said, you are also a drug-user, whether you consider it so or not. Your body is one big chemical reaction.
I do not consider my wife or child to be material things - although you could consider them that way if you were pedantic enough.
There is some good in everything - to paint anything as completely bad is to not understand it.
*peace*
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Friend you have misunderstood me......first of all by materialism I ment your car, house, etc...what i meant by that is that the only thing that matters and that one should be happy for is there family. By saying that all do drugs becouse there body is one big chemical reaction is a naturalistic fallacy. There is only good in that which is pure, holy, and rightess. I never judged you becouse it is not my position to judge becouse i myself am inperfect.
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allow me to also say that it does not matter what one "feels" is right or "feels" whats wrong what matters is what IS right and what IS wrong. Morality is objective not relative. That is why I enjoy music...it is imo amoral. |
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Tony R
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Joined: July 16 2004
Location: UK
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:22 |
JesusBetancourt wrote:
I am very dissapointed that some of you advocate drug use...especially with prog.
I have enjoyed this website becouse It seemed to me that everyone on this website are responsible and educated people(and many are im sure) who do not need drugs to enjoy there music. It is a shame that some of you advocate drug use bieng full grown adults and forget that alot of people on this website are young and gullable. We need to be rolemodels. Prog is about music not drugs.
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There is only room for one preacher on this forum..............and he doesnt preach to us!
How dare you be so patronising.
Edited by Tony R
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illustrated
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Joined: August 19 2004
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:23 |
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JesusBetancourt
Forum Senior Member
Joined: June 15 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 262
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:29 |
Tony R wrote:
JesusBetancourt wrote:
I am very dissapointed that some of you advocate drug use...especially with prog.
I have enjoyed this website becouse It seemed to me that everyone on this website are responsible and educated people(and many are im sure) who do not need drugs to enjoy there music. It is a shame that some of you advocate drug use bieng full grown adults and forget that alot of people on this website are young and gullable. We need to be rolemodels. Prog is about music not drugs.
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There is only room for one preacher on this forum..............and he doesnt preach to us!
How dare you be so patronising.
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Im sorry you see things that way...... 
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"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water"
John 7:38
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oliverstoned
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Joined: March 26 2004
Location: France
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:36 |
JesusBetancourt wrote:
Tony R wrote:
JesusBetancourt wrote:
I am very dissapointed that some of you advocate drug use...especially with prog.
I have enjoyed this website becouse It seemed to me that everyone on this website are responsible and educated people(and many are im sure) who do not need drugs to enjoy there music. It is a shame that some of you advocate drug use bieng full grown adults and forget that alot of people on this website are young and gullable. We need to be rolemodels. Prog is about music not drugs.
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There is only room for one preacher on this forum..............and he doesnt preach to us!
How dare you be so patronising.
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Im sorry you see things that way...... |
Don't forget that (most) real prog has been made under psychedelia (psychedelics are not drugs cause it don't bring addiction).
Nobody advocate the use of them
we just discuss
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Tony R
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Joined: July 16 2004
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:37 |
JesusBetancourt wrote:
Tony R wrote:
JesusBetancourt wrote:
I am very dissapointed that some of you advocate drug use...especially with prog.
I have enjoyed this website becouse It seemed to me that everyone on this website are responsible and educated people(and many are im sure) who do not need drugs to enjoy there music. It is a shame that some of you advocate drug use bieng full grown adults and forget that alot of people on this website are young and gullable. We need to be rolemodels. Prog is about music not drugs.
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There is only room for one preacher on this forum..............and he doesnt preach to us!
How dare you be so patronising.
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Im sorry you see things that way...... |
Yes,I do.
And you should be!
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JesusBetancourt
Forum Senior Member
Joined: June 15 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 262
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:43 |
Tony R wrote:
JesusBetancourt wrote:
Tony R wrote:
JesusBetancourt wrote:
I am very dissapointed that some of you advocate drug use...especially with prog.
I have enjoyed this website becouse It seemed to me that everyone on this website are responsible and educated people(and many are im sure) who do not need drugs to enjoy there music. It is a shame that some of you advocate drug use bieng full grown adults and forget that alot of people on this website are young and gullable. We need to be rolemodels. Prog is about music not drugs.
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There is only room for one preacher on this forum..............and he doesnt preach to us!
How dare you be so patronising.
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Im sorry you see things that way...... |
Yes,I do.
And you should be!
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if it makes you any happier for me to say that i am so be it....I am a humble person and if my humility brings joy to you then l shall be, for you. 
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"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water"
John 7:38
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JesusBetancourt
Forum Senior Member
Joined: June 15 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 262
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:45 |
oliverstoned wrote:
JesusBetancourt wrote:
Tony R wrote:
JesusBetancourt wrote:
I am very dissapointed that some of you advocate drug use...especially with prog.
I have enjoyed this website becouse It seemed to me that everyone on this website are responsible and educated people(and many are im sure) who do not need drugs to enjoy there music. It is a shame that some of you advocate drug use bieng full grown adults and forget that alot of people on this website are young and gullable. We need to be rolemodels. Prog is about music not drugs.
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There is only room for one preacher on this forum..............and he doesnt preach to us!
How dare you be so patronising.
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Im sorry you see things that way...... |
Don't forget that (most) real prog has been made under psychedelia (psychedelics are not drugs cause it don't bring addiction).
Nobody advocate the use of them
we just discuss |
That is very true, however those drugs are called hallucnagins(pardon my spelling) and most people develop a pshycological addiction to them like porn.
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"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water"
John 7:38
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Tony R
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin
Joined: July 16 2004
Location: UK
Status: Offline
Points: 11979
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:47 |
JesusBetancourt wrote:
Tony R wrote:
JesusBetancourt wrote:
Tony R wrote:
JesusBetancourt wrote:
I am very dissapointed that some of you advocate drug use...especially with prog.
I have enjoyed this website becouse It seemed to me that everyone on this website are responsible and educated people(and many are im sure) who do not need drugs to enjoy there music. It is a shame that some of you advocate drug use bieng full grown adults and forget that alot of people on this website are young and gullable. We need to be rolemodels. Prog is about music not drugs.
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There is only room for one preacher on this forum..............and he doesnt preach to us!
How dare you be so patronising.
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Im sorry you see things that way...... |
Yes,I do.
And you should be!
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if it makes you any happier for me to say that i am so be it....I am a humble person and if my humility brings joy to you then l shall be, for you. |
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JesusBetancourt
Forum Senior Member
Joined: June 15 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 262
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:51 |
oliverstoned wrote:
Retrovertigo wrote:
All you drug-users are losers.
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You're maybe addicted to food, TV, computer, sex or music! |
those are also psychological addictions
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"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water"
John 7:38
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oliverstoned
Special Collaborator
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Joined: March 26 2004
Location: France
Status: Offline
Points: 6308
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:53 |
JesusBetancourt wrote:
oliverstoned wrote:
Retrovertigo wrote:
All you drug-users are losers. |
You're maybe addicted to food, TV, computer, sex or music! |
those are also psychological addictions |
Believing that there are loosers and winners is an illusion.
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JesusBetancourt
Forum Senior Member
Joined: June 15 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 262
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:57 |
oliverstoned wrote:
JesusBetancourt wrote:
oliverstoned wrote:
Retrovertigo wrote:
All you drug-users are losers. |
You're maybe addicted to food, TV, computer, sex or music! |
those are also psychological addictions
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Believing that there are loosers and winners is an illusion. |
That is true.....there is only right and wrong and good and evil.
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"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water"
John 7:38
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JesusBetancourt
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Joined: June 15 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 262
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:59 |
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The words loser and winners are used by contemporary society to judge men by there accomplishments(status , money , etc), they do not determine a persons true worth. We are all created equal...
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"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water"
John 7:38
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JesusBetancourt
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Joined: June 15 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 262
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 05:01 |
Men are judeged as either rightess or wicked in the eyes of one.
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"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water"
John 7:38
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Tony R
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin
Joined: July 16 2004
Location: UK
Status: Offline
Points: 11979
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 05:02 |
 
Edited by Tony R
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JesusBetancourt
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Joined: June 15 2005
Location: United States
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 05:04 |
Excellent illistration 
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"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water"
John 7:38
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oliverstoned
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Location: France
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 05:18 |
JesusBetancourt wrote:
The words loser and winners are used by contemporary society to judge men by there accomplishments(status , money , etc), they do not determine a persons true worth. We are all created equal... |
You don't need to believe in these notions...
Good and bad, false and truth are only humans interpretations, mental creations
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oliverstoned
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 05:37 |
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JesusBetancourt
Forum Senior Member
Joined: June 15 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 262
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 05:44 |
oliverstoned wrote:
JesusBetancourt wrote:
The words loser and winners are used by contemporary society to judge men by there accomplishments(status , money , etc), they do not determine a persons true worth. We are all created equal... |
You don't need to believe in these notions...
Good and bad, false and truth are only humans interpretations, mental creations |
a persons interpitation of what is good and bad /false and true is an abstraction of the mind however there is a truth and a good and evil(bad) that is above the humane mind.
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"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water"
John 7:38
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