And Then There Were Three

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   Okayyyyyyy, here is a shibbolet I guess: Genesis masterpiece (or is it?) And Then There were Three? Do you like it, of do you think it's the end of western civilisation in general, and good prog in particular, as we know it?
Me and some of my friends, we wondered that most of us became prog fans once we heard this album. So I voted the last option.

Poll Question: How about And Then There Were Three?
Poll Choice	Votes	Poll Statistics
I hate it! Why did they record it?	11	[17.19%]
It’s not too good or bad	33	[51.56%]
I love it! A real killer album	20	[31.25%]
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Moogtron III Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: April 26 2005 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 10616	Topic: And Then There Were Three Posted: June 22 2005 at 05:58
	Okayyyyyyy, here is a shibbolet I guess: Genesis masterpiece (or is it?) And Then There were Three? Do you like it, of do you think it's the end of western civilisation in general, and good prog in particular, as we know it? Me and some of my friends, we wondered that most of us became prog fans once we heard this album. So I voted the last option.

Andhi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: April 20 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 198	Posted: June 22 2005 at 06:29
	And Then There Were Three is new Genesis (obviously) and I prefer newer new Genesis to that. ... But it's not too bad.
	It's only knock and knowall, but I like it...

BaldFriede Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10266	Posted: June 22 2005 at 10:17
	It was after listening to this album that I decided Genesis were dead for me.
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symphomaniac Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Newbie Joined: June 06 2005 Status: Offline Points: 13	Posted: June 22 2005 at 10:30
	Trick of the Tail just about hacked it (pun) - then they were off to join the bleedin' choir invisible

greenback Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 14 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3300	Posted: June 22 2005 at 12:53
	excellent atmospheric album
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NetsNJFan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: April 12 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3047	Posted: June 22 2005 at 17:38
	pretty good, suffers from mushy production I Love Deep in the Motherlode (I'm an American History buff, so.....) It gets stuck between 2 genesis greats, W&W and Duke.


kirklott Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: May 01 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 623	Posted: June 22 2005 at 21:10
	This is a great poll. Genesis was killed not by Hackett's departure, but rather by a weird paradigm shift that happened immediately after And Then Were Three... Duke sucked. Duke sucked Donkey eggs. I mean, the single "Misunderstanding" HUMILIATED every Genesis fan (did you ever see the video? Hawaiian shirts in a covertible?). So let's clear up some confusion here: a lot of long-time Genesis fans feel Genesis fell apart when Steve Hackett left the band prior to "And Then There Were Three." This isn't true, and this album is very, very good, with great writing and production, and a progressive sound. Genesis' fall from grace was caused not by personnel changes, but rather by attitude changes immediately after this album. This album is, in many ways, as good as its predecessor, "Wind and Wuthering." The album opens with a bang: "Down and Out" is pedal-to-the-metal prog, with huge organ riffs and wild time signatures. "Burning Rope" is a classic mini-epic with inspiring, if not slightly cliché, lyrics. "The Lady Lies" is a great effort at spinning a classic Genesis medieval tale. "Undertow" and "Snowbound" are pleasant ballads. Even the hit single "Follow You Follow Me", which cynics have criticized, has a very pleasant vibe (and is infinitely superior to Wind and Wurthering's awful ballad, "You Have Your Own Special Way.") This is the last good Genesis album. And then there were none...
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Blacksword Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130	Posted: June 23 2005 at 06:18
	I love it! A real killer album! Well, thats probably an exageration, but I do like it a lot. I fully understand why some fans hate it. There is a gulf of difference between WAW and ATTWT, the former being a prog rock album and the latter representing the start of the decline into commercialism. However, I think there are some brilliant songs on there: Down & Out, Undertow, Burning Rope, Deep in the Motherlode, Say it's alright Joe, The Lady Lies the remaining three do let it down.
	Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!

Captain Squib Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Newbie Joined: June 17 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 36	Posted: June 23 2005 at 14:11
	I hated it! The only song I liked on that album was Deep In The Motherlode. Steve Hackett's absense struck like a punch in the face. It's bad enough putting up with Collins ghastly voice which I find extremely annoying, but hardly any guitar? Unforgiveable! This was the album that turned me off Genesis completely. I heard the following albums because a couple of my friends bought them, but I never liked Genesis from this album onwards. But when Ray Wilson joined I was so glad especially as he sounds like Gabriel. Mike's guitar playing had improved a lot as well, so Calling All Stations was good, but not as good as their 70's stuff. If Genesis ever reformed, I hope it has the classic line-up with Gabriel & Hackett, with Collins doing what he does best - playing the drums! I see they DID get together to record a new version of the Carpet Crawlers 5 years ago and that sounded great!
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Man With Hat Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Collaborator Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team Joined: March 12 2005 Location: Neurotica Status: Offline Points: 166183	Posted: June 23 2005 at 21:26
	Average. Has its good points and its bad.
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Nipsey88 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: May 27 2005 Location: Kadath Status: Offline Points: 706	Posted: June 24 2005 at 00:58
	Yeah its got some really strong songs: Down & Out, Burning Rope, Deep in the Motherlode, and The Lady Lies. Everything else just seems pretty good to me, a bit better than so-so, but just a bit. All and all, I do break this one out from time to time, and I play every song and do enjoy it.


Bj-1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 04 2005 Location: No(r)Way Status: Offline Points: 31471	Posted: June 24 2005 at 09:13
	It's a good album, but it lacks the fire of the previous albums, unfortunately. Still good, but i prefer Duke!
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Jared Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: May 06 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Status: Offline Points: 19513	Posted: June 24 2005 at 10:01
	Not as good as W&W; better than Duke...in all, 7/10
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Fragile Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: June 27 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 1125	Posted: June 24 2005 at 17:31
	The beginning of the end of a once great band.Mediocrity at it's shameless best.

Hangedman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: November 03 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1261	Posted: June 24 2005 at 17:51
	I think its good, I love down and out. Personally i was almost dissapointed that it wasnt worse than that.

Trotsky Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 25 2004 Location: Malaysia Status: Offline Points: 2771	Posted: August 29 2005 at 23:48
	I think it's vastly underrated but to say I love it is a bit of a stretch ... I'm surprised though that so many Genesis fans like to see this as the end of Genesis ... certainly they were trying to make prog (with the exception of Follow You Follow Me) ... lots of very nice songs ... The Lady Lies, Burning Rope, Undertow, Scenes From A Night's Dream and Many Too Many off hand ... and many pleasing Tony Banks' moments ... sure Hackett is missed, but I still like it a lot ..
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Evan1211 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: July 16 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 95	Posted: August 30 2005 at 19:17
	It is an odd album. There are some great tracks "Lady Lies", "Burnign Rope", and "Snowbound" and "Down and Out." But there are songs I hate like "Say its alright Joe" and "Follow You, Follow Me." But the fact that The Lady Lies is on it makes it a good album. The bass work on the song is ridiculously complicated especially toward the end and in the choruses. It rivals "Heart of the Sunrise " and "Gates of Delerium" in technical skill for basswork at least.


Snow Dog Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995	Posted: August 30 2005 at 19:31
	A major dissapointment when I bought it. Time hasn't really changed that for me. Some good songs, but they are all missing something. A bit of passion or Hackett "atmosphere" maybe. So I'm not keen on it!


salmacis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Content Addition Joined: April 10 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3928	Posted: August 31 2005 at 09:49
	I actually love this album, and think there's some very nice prog tunes in 'Burning Rope' and 'The Lady Lies', some lovely ballads in 'Snowbound', 'Many Too Many' and 'Undertow', plus an amazing solo on 'Follow You Follow Me'. This wasn't where the decline started for me- their 'decline' was with 'Duke' I feel, but I only see it as a decline in prog terms; their later stuff is mostly listenable and I enjoy songs like 'No Son Of Mine' and 'Driving The Last Spike'.

Ricochet Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301	Posted: August 31 2005 at 09:51
	So-so in my opinion,not too great,not too bad..."Follow You Follow Me" is terrible..."No Son Of Mine" and "Driving The Last Spike" great...The rest usual...