And Then There Were Three
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Topic: And Then There Were Three
Posted By: Moogtron III
Subject: And Then There Were Three
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 05:58
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Okayyyyyyy, here is a shibbolet I guess: Genesis masterpiece (or is it?) And Then There were Three? Do you like it, of do you think it's the end of western civilisation in general, and good prog in particular, as we know it? Me and some of my friends, we wondered that most of us became prog fans once we heard this album. So I voted the last option. |
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Posted By: Andhi
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 06:29
And Then There Were Three is new Genesis (obviously) and I prefer newer new Genesis to that. ... But it's not too bad. 
------------- It's only knock and knowall, but I like it... |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 10:17
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It was after listening to this album that I decided Genesis were dead for me.
-------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: symphomaniac
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 10:30
| Trick of the Tail just about hacked it (pun) - then they were off to join the bleedin' choir invisible |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 12:53
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excellent atmospheric album ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 17:38
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pretty good, suffers from mushy production ------------- 
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Posted By: kirklott
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 21:10
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This is a great poll. Genesis was killed not by Hackett's departure, but rather by a weird paradigm shift that happened immediately after And Then Were Three... Duke sucked. Duke sucked Donkey eggs. I mean, the single "Misunderstanding" HUMILIATED every Genesis fan (did you ever see the video? Hawaiian shirts in a covertible?). So let's clear up some confusion here: a lot of long-time Genesis fans feel Genesis fell apart when Steve Hackett left the band prior to "And Then There Were Three."
------------- "Progressive rock is the key to the continuance of human evolution." - Charles Darwin |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 06:18
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I love it! A real killer album! Well, thats probably an exageration, but I do like it a lot. I fully understand why some fans hate it. There is a gulf of difference between WAW and ATTWT, the former being a prog rock album and the latter representing the start of the decline into commercialism. However, I think there are some brilliant songs on there: Down & Out, Undertow, Burning Rope, Deep in the Motherlode, Say it's alright Joe, The Lady Lies the remaining three do let it down.
------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Captain Squib
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 14:11
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I hated it! The only song I liked on that album was Deep In The Motherlode. Steve Hackett's absense struck like a punch in the face. It's bad enough putting up with Collins ghastly voice which I find extremely annoying, but hardly any guitar? Unforgiveable!
This was the album that turned me off Genesis completely. I heard the following albums because a couple of my friends bought them, but I never liked Genesis from this album onwards. But when Ray Wilson joined I was so glad especially as he sounds like Gabriel. Mike's guitar playing had improved a lot as well, so Calling All Stations was good, but not as good as their 70's stuff. If Genesis ever reformed, I hope it has the classic line-up with Gabriel & Hackett, with Collins doing what he does best - playing the drums! I see they DID get together to record a new version of the Carpet Crawlers 5 years ago and that sounded great! ------------- He who stands on toilet must be high on pot! |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 21:26
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Average. Has its good points and its bad. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Nipsey88
Date Posted: June 24 2005 at 00:58
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Yeah its got some really strong songs: Down & Out, Burning Rope,
Deep in the Motherlode, and The Lady Lies. Everything else just seems
pretty good to me, a bit better than so-so, but just a bit. All and
all, I do break this one out from time to time, and I play every song
and do enjoy it.
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Nipsey88/?chartstyle=myspace02" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: June 24 2005 at 09:13
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It's a good album, but it lacks the fire of the previous albums, unfortunately. Still good, but i prefer Duke! ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: June 24 2005 at 10:01
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Not as good as W&W; better than Duke...in all, 7/10 ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: June 24 2005 at 17:31
| The beginning of the end of a once great band.Mediocrity at it's shameless best. |
Posted By: Hangedman
Date Posted: June 24 2005 at 17:51
| I think its good, I love down and out. Personally i was almost dissapointed that it wasnt worse than that. |
Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: August 29 2005 at 23:48
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I think it's vastly underrated but to say I love it is a bit of a stretch ... I'm surprised though that so many Genesis fans like to see this as the end of Genesis ... certainly they were trying to make prog (with the exception of Follow You Follow Me) ... lots of very nice songs ... The Lady Lies, Burning Rope, Undertow, Scenes From A Night's Dream and Many Too Many off hand ... and many pleasing Tony Banks' moments ... sure Hackett is missed, but I still like it a lot .. ------------- "Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.” "No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present." |
Posted By: Evan1211
Date Posted: August 30 2005 at 19:17
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It is an odd album. There are some great tracks "Lady Lies", "Burnign Rope", and "Snowbound" and "Down and Out." But there are songs I hate like "Say its alright Joe" and "Follow You, Follow Me." But the fact that The Lady Lies is on it makes it a good album. The bass work on the song is ridiculously complicated especially toward the end and in the choruses. It rivals "Heart of the Sunrise " and "Gates of Delerium" in technical skill for basswork at least. ------------- 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 30 2005 at 19:31
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A major dissapointment when I bought it. Time hasn't really changed that for me. Some good songs, but they are all missing something. A bit of passion or Hackett "atmosphere" maybe. So I'm not keen on it! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: August 31 2005 at 09:49
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I actually love this album, and think there's some very nice prog tunes in 'Burning Rope' and 'The Lady Lies', some lovely ballads in 'Snowbound', 'Many Too Many' and 'Undertow', plus an amazing solo on 'Follow You Follow Me'. This wasn't where the decline started for me- their 'decline' was with 'Duke' I feel, but I only see it as a decline in prog terms; their later stuff is mostly listenable and I enjoy songs like 'No Son Of Mine' and 'Driving The Last Spike'. |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: August 31 2005 at 09:51
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So-so in my opinion,not too great,not too bad..."Follow You Follow Me"
is terrible..."No Son Of Mine" and "Driving The Last Spike" great...The
rest usual...
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: August 31 2005 at 10:43
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I think whether you take to an album or not can depend when you hear it, and what is going on in your life at the time. Many people criticise this album, and all the arguments against it are perfectly valid. For me personally, I took to it immediately partly because it was the most 'prog' Genesis I had heard at the time - believe it or not - I had no idea who Steve Hackett was, and much of the lyrics struck a chord with me, especially Burning Rope & Undertow. It was winter 1985, and I was going through some sh!t at the time. This album was an enormous comfort to me. Partly for this reason my appraisal of it may not be objective, but if it's aim was make someone happy, then it worked on me! BTW, I thought later on, that Rutherford tried to emulate Hackett in places on this album, and I think his guitar playing generally is very good. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Snow Dog wrote:Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 31 2005 at 10:53
I bought it on release. I though that hacketts absense may make the band "stronger" as it did when Gabriel left IMO. I was so wrong. As you say it depends when and why you bought it. A friend of mine only bought it a couple of years ago and he likes it a lot! I don't hate it though, I don't hate any Genesis album. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: September 01 2005 at 03:05
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What album are you talking about? ------------- "Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.” "No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present." |
Posted By: the dragon
Date Posted: September 01 2005 at 08:55
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The end of the greatest prog band ever. ------------- Still alive... |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 03 2005 at 17:51
| The end of an era of decent music for this mob....after that they sold way down the river for more lolly, and extra bad songs. |
Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: September 03 2005 at 18:07
Bye Steve 
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Posted By: GPFR
Date Posted: September 03 2005 at 21:16
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I liked the album a lot, probobly better than Wind and Wuthering, that
one just didn't do it for me. I still think A trick of the Tail tops
it, but very good.
------------- www.myspace.com/hail_peter 
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Posted By: kirklott
Date Posted: September 06 2005 at 16:19
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I think this album is always underrated, and aside from Eleventh Earl of Mar and Unquiet Slumbers, it's better than Wind and Wuthering. It's the last good Genesis album, and everything that followed is crap, Duke included. Track by track: 1. Down And Out (5:24) AWESOME BALLS TO THE WALL ORGAN-DRIVEN PROG, WITH TRICKY TIME SIGNATURES 4. Snowbound (4:28) - PLEASANT BALLAD IN GREAT GENESIS TRADITION OUTTAKES - THE DAY THE LIGHTS WENT OUT SHOULD HAVE REPLACED ONE OF THE CRAP SONGS. Maybe replace Many Too Many with Vancouver So here's my new and improved version: Down and Out/Undertow/Burning Rope/Snowbound/The Lady Lies/Day the Lights Went Out/Scenes from a Night's Dream/Vancouver/Follow You Follow Me
------------- "Progressive rock is the key to the continuance of human evolution." - Charles Darwin |
Posted By: Damen
Date Posted: September 08 2005 at 02:18
A suprisingly good effort, I like it alot  ------------- "It's amazing that we've been able to put up with each other for 35 years. Most marriages don't last that long these days." -Chris Squire |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: September 08 2005 at 15:39
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ATTWT had some good moments, but a lot of it sounded like solo demos polished up to fill an album. Duke was a stronger effort overall, but that was the end of Genesis as a classic prog band - though I'm sure all the money they made in the 80s cushioned the blow for them! ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |