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Bryan
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Posted: January 09 2005 at 15:05 |
Am I the only one being bothered by the fact that you guys are looking down on people who listen to music you don't like?
I listen to some rap, as well as punk, death metal, and other genres you guys are citing as making people stupid, and I would like to think of myself as maybe being remotely intelligent (although I'm more than open to having my thoughts changed on this matter).
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Reed Lover
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Posted: January 09 2005 at 15:06 |
Useful_Idiot wrote:
Am I the only one being bothered by the fact that you guys are looking down on people who listen to music you don't like?
I listen to some rap, as well as punk, death metal, and other genres you guys are citing as making people stupid, and I would like to think of myself as maybe being remotely intelligent (although I'm more than open to having my thoughts changed on this matter).
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I never bite the hand that feeds me.......

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Certif1ed
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Posted: January 09 2005 at 16:59 |
Useful_Idiot wrote:
Am I the only one being bothered by the fact that you guys are looking down on people who listen to music you don't like?
I listen to some rap, as well as punk, death metal, and other genres you guys are citing as making people stupid, and I would like to think of myself as maybe being remotely intelligent (although I'm more than open to having my thoughts changed on this matter).
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Like you, I listen only to music I like, without discrimitating because of genre.
All genres have a portion of great music, a portion of utter tosh, and a middle ground (Duh!).
It's up to a selective listener to find the music he/she likes and ignore anyone who doesn't agree - why follow the herd? 
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Garion81
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Posted: January 09 2005 at 17:24 |
gdub411 wrote:
Recently I told this girl who happens to be an avid rap listener this experiment and she said "It was a bunch of crap!
I told her a classical music listener would have said it more articulately like: That is a great deal of defacation or such
Later she had forgotten where she had left her purse and asked if I knew where it was and I told her " If you'd listen to classical music you'd remember."
Her reply to that was "#@%#%^ "......
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Winning friends and influencing people again, Gdub? 
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"What are you going to do when that damn thing rusts?"
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gdub411
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Posted: January 09 2005 at 17:35 |
Garion81 wrote:
gdub411 wrote:
Recently I told this girl who happens to be an avid rap listener this experiment and she said "It was a bunch of crap!
I told her a classical music listener would have said it more articulately like: That is a great deal of defacation or such
Later she had forgotten where she had left her purse and asked if I knew where it was and I told her " If you'd listen to classical music you'd remember."
Her reply to that was "#@%#%^ "......
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Winning friends and influencing people again, Gdub? 
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That's just my seductive charm. Actually we have been friends for well over 10 years so I know she's cool with it. She just has bad taste in music.
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asuma
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Posted: January 09 2005 at 18:11 |
ive heard some smart rap.
Dr. Octagon
here is one song
Dr. Octagon Biology 101 lyrics
Yeah
At 40,000 kelvin, it's Dr. Octagon,
with the Emperor General
drop down to 40 g's
can science achieve the unified theory of complex
systems
permenantly skeptical of friends of the institute
external faculty, a routine exerts selected pressure by
killing less-fit programs
life evolves, in cyber space
green and blue objects of self-replicating lightning
represents
random mutation complete with chaotic systems
such as turbular fluids
heated gasses are formless
fully complex, amino entree disappear the order in
which you
ordered the poetry the torsist liquid terms compiled
among a list of
31 ways to define
grammatical the degree of universiality in a
language required to
describe a style
effective the degree of regular rather than random
information
for instance complexity equals the capacity of an un
expecting
observer
thermo dynamic deaf of the amount of resource to
put back a system
together from scratch
pioneering, engineering, cybernetic, cellular,
calculus
co-operating flatly contradicting predictable
circumstances including
uranium 235 is obtained from bombs fission
can science achieve a unified theory of complex
systems?
maybe so
can science achieve a unified theory of complex
systems?
maybe so
can science achieve a unified theory of complex
systems?
maybe so
can science achieve a unified theory of complex
systems?
like carbon dioxide you messing with the chemicals,
warfare different stars
in the atmospheres like haley's comet computers
that will make you vomit
change the earth south saliva run in your mouth
gastric juice more beyond
since mother goose created shapes the first man
was hairy apes
7, 35 PPTD
over powering spray crops like DDT
the first around apollo 13 beaming down through
rain drops white pieces hit
the scene
atomic formats complex playin on silver DATs
guarded by sonic steel and taken off by thundercats
you on the avenue wishin you could see me my force
field shuts in two eyes
seein three of me
illusions fusions particle gas confusions i run space
shuttles in EM you
the solution
takin off from boe meet me at the black hole in times
four your mind seems
to move in tider showin you the spectrums
the past in fabric liner you in my future now
is h2o a gas or a liquid?
perhaps concepts could not explain
is h2o a gas or a liquid?
perhaps concepts could not explain
is h2o a gas or a liquid?
perhaps concepts could not explain
is h2o a gas or a liquid?
psychology is not applied biology nor is biology
applied chemistry
level independant some degrade the levels above
and below captive
intricancies after their friends give interest
theories collapse, perhaps concepts cannot explain
irreversible concrete
philosophical developments
such analysis indicate
emergence naturally, in a simple society
the pale matrix summerizes the scorming affluent
software 30 arc seconds
strategy like drops of water floating in a void unstable
atoms orbit this
new cloud nuclear having excess neutrinos or
protons teeter on the edges of
nuclear stability nor and drip lines under the stress
some develop a halo
bale radioactivity isotopes exotic
depending on their velocity their charges narrow
momentum distribution
force is directly reflected
electric magnetic c 22 l i 11 escape particle
bombardment
properties of the nucleus
v8 in the sun it produces easily detected
neutrinos much less to predict the standards can be
designed if you end it
and it provide for continuing evolution of technology
by remaining
compatible with existing applications in
programming language
psychology is not applied biology nor is biology
applied chemistry
whats the issue?
psychology is not applied biology nor is biology
applied chemistry
whats the issue?
psychology is not applied biology nor is biology
applied chemistry
whats the issue?
psychology is not applied biology nor is biology
applied chemistry
whats the issue?
psychology is not applied biology nor is biology
applied chemistry
whats the issue?
delta 9 approximate time my face in venus the sun is
over there and nothing
gets between us
you the earthling trying to float its a mental thing i got
oxygen 8 hours
of space time you must return quick
please don't waste time
you get down here, the moon is a place to fear with 2
minutes on the planet
you're only bound to panic we have no extras, bags,
etcetera
what if your obstacles backfires you inflate in
seconds nervous like flat
tires one seconds left to orbit has last breath
telecast to earth a astronaut didn't make it we move
beyond
your navigation enable a 32 switching like channel
13
late at night you see a blank screen focus on the
outer limits but you're
back on stage
on the line of scrimmage i am out here come and
get me with no equipment
call the president not even rocks or fossils live
damaged by the elements
is light the source?
touch my delicate instrument
is light the source?
touch my delicate instrument
is light the source?
touch my delicate instrument
is light the source?
touch my delicate instrument
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*Remember all advice given by Asuma is for entertainment purposes only. Asuma is not a licensed medical doctor, psychologist, or counselor and he does not play one on TV.*
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BebieM
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Posted: January 09 2005 at 18:18 |
I agree with you guys, putting an entire genre down is ignorant and wrong. But I also think saying that modern mainstream music (almost) never reaches a high level compared to prog or other more complex and inspired music it just true.
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Pixel Pirate
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Posted: January 09 2005 at 18:37 |
tuxon wrote:
I remember a laboratory test involving laboratory-rats.
When a group of scientists studied these rats and one of them began to laugh on what the Rats were doing the other scientist began to laugh too, for they wouldn't want to be the one left holding the joke.
Anyway scientific tests can prove anything you want them to prove.
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Yes,even the truth...
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Odi profanum vulgus et arceo.
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gdub411
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Posted: January 09 2005 at 18:45 |
Dr Dre and Dr Octagon....two members of the medical profession. Wow!
Rap must be intelligent.
Move over Fish, Roger Waters and Peter Hammill.....here comes Dr. Octagon.
Oh...by the way....that one tape loop during every single rap tune with that one bass note one can hear pounding from rap enthusiasts car.......pure genius! Brilliant!!!
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Posted: January 09 2005 at 18:45 |
The rap you guys talk of is pop music that has "urban" flare. There is
true hip-hop out there that's educational, positive, deep, and immensly
talented.
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joniox
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Posted: January 09 2005 at 18:50 |
Does prog make you smart?
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gdub411
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Posted: January 09 2005 at 18:55 |
joniox wrote:
Does prog make you smart? |
That's the big question. Please read the intro to the thread before asking your "clever" question.
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Pixel Pirate
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Posted: January 09 2005 at 18:56 |
I did read a test once,not an urban legend! proper scientists in a real laboratory and everything!,where they tested the effect certain types of music as opposed to silence had for improving the,for want of a better word,cognitive faculties,of mice. They played nothing but classical to one group of mice for 8 hours a day I think it was for a certain amount of time (I think it was a week,this is a few years ago and the memory is a bit hazy), heavy metal to another group of mice for the same amount of time and nothing at all to a third group of mice for the same amount of time. Then they tested each group separately in a maze to see which ones would make it through the maze the fastest. The mice that had not been listening to anyhing but silence completed the maze in the same time they had before the experiment,the mice who had been listening to classical music completed the maze markedly faster than they had before the experiment and the mice who had been listening to metal just bumped against the sides of the maze banging their heads against it,and when they finally managed to get out of the maze much later than the other mice,they started attacking each other.
Now,does this mean that people who listen to classical are very clever and people who listen to metal are stupid and agressive? It might of course,but how mice react to certain stimuli in a laboratory has usually very little to do with the actual lives of human beings. One situation can't necessarily automatically state something categorically about the other. For one thing: Humans aren't mice,even though they are our ancestors.
At least it's probably the only case in history of headbanging mice!
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Odi profanum vulgus et arceo.
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joniox
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Posted: January 09 2005 at 18:59 |
gdub411 wrote:
joniox wrote:
Does prog make you smart? |
That's the big question. Please read the intro to the thread before asking your "clever" question. |
I never meant to be more clever than I am. Just didn't bother to read all that. I should have.
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gdub411
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Posted: January 09 2005 at 19:02 |
joniox wrote:
gdub411 wrote:
joniox wrote:
Does prog make you smart? |
That's the big question. Please read the intro to the thread before asking your "clever" question.
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I never meant to be more clever than I am. Just didn't bother to read all that. I should have.
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No...my apologies.....I should be nice and encouraging to newcomers. Welcome to the Forums. Usually I am a swell guy! 
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joniox
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Posted: January 09 2005 at 19:04 |
Friendliness of this board keeps surprising me.
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gdub411
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Posted: January 09 2005 at 19:06 |
joniox wrote:
Friendliness of this board keeps surprising me. |
 
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Reed Lover
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Posted: January 09 2005 at 19:09 |
joniox wrote:
Does prog make you smart? |
No but Gdub can recommend something that does!

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gdub411
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Posted: January 09 2005 at 19:12 |
Reed Lover wrote:
joniox wrote:
Does prog make you smart? |
No but Gdub can recommend something that does!

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plenty of protein is my suggestion.
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Reed Lover
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Posted: January 09 2005 at 19:15 |
gdub411 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
joniox wrote:
Does prog make you smart? |
No but Gdub can recommend something that does!

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plenty of protein is my suggestion.
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