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Poll Question: Which do you enjoy the most on screen
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    Posted: August 28 2023 at 13:25
Four actours whom both through reading reviews, coment sections, poll results, these four or at last Billy, Daniel and Gary usually wins, i throw in Ralph as I always enjoys hes portrail of characters, both fictional and real life. These are fine actors of flair and elegance, but also a hint of normalcy.

Whos your pick
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Of the four, Oldman is the one I know the best, so voted accordingly. I need to see more films of the other three. I understand Day-Lewis takes method acting to extremes and I need to see more of his work. I was rolling down the hill and got passed by a swarm of olives.
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Daniel Day Lewis.

He is a strange person.

He has not always acted and for a few years he retired from Hollyowood and worked in a shop
in Italy!!!

Then he went back to acting.

And now he has retired at a young age.

All in all, he has acted in few films but has won 3 Oscars: three!!!
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Daniel Day Lewis.
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And now he has retired at a young age.

All in all, he has acted in few films but has won 3 Oscars: three!!!

Hi,

"Intensity" is a very strong part of the English Theater and its forays into experimental material through the National Theater and Royal Shakespeare Company, for nearly 60 years. Even though DDL is not from there, he understood the lessons well, and his taking things seriously and to what has been believed as an extreme, has rewarded him well in his life, with the Oscars, because few folks can stand up to that intensity.

But, remember, one moment in American Acting history that made THE ACTING STUDIO famous and also brought out a large number of actors with it, many of whom also did a massive amount of film. By the time you heard Marlon Brando scream STEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAA, you knew right away that the world heard it ... and it did not take long for many in England to get the drift and take it on ... American Theater, however, was not as well represented in writing as the English had been for many years, thus, the American Theater suffered, while Hollywood stole that flame.

It's difficult deciding which of all those is the better/best of them, since many are very strong and in the subtle of ways, sometimes hardly recognized. Reminds me of one film I saw all the way to the end, and wondered who that person was doing that maid ... and she was really good ... and it runs out that it was Meg Ryan, and you would never have guessed it ... and that is when you know you have something special on hand.

Obviously DDL fits in a different scale, but at the very least no one can say that they were cheated by that actor. It was strong, and then some!


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Four great actors indeed, but the one who has most impressed me - and really impressed me - because of his acting is Daniel Day-Lewis. Already in My Left Foot and The Unbearable Lightness of Being, but especially in There Will Be Blood and The Gangs of New York, a.o...

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In general I love Billy Bob Thornton's work including the wonderful TV series Goliath where he played a lawyer representing the underdog against big corporations. He is very likeable and easy to empathasise with his characters. He also totally gorgeous and I say that as a totally heterosexual man!

If the criteria was slightly different I might vote Ralph Fiennes just for Schindlers List. Never seen a better more believable potrayal of a psychopath including even Spacey's performance in Seven and Hopkins in Silence Of The Lambs. He is also very likeable in his many other roles.

Daniel Day Lewis as mentioned had done some great work but his films don't really grab me and I couldn't get all the way through Lincoln but perhaps thats because i'm a Brit!

Love Gary Oldman's recent TV work in Slow Horses (watch it if you get a chance) but again like DDL I'm not a great fan of his films. I also think he is more of a character actor. However I've not yet seen Darkest Hour so probably should reserve judgement.
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I, too, revere (and vote for) Daniel Day-Lewis. Even his early stuff (My Beautiful Launderette and Room With a View) were amazing. And no one's mentioned his amazing performances in In the Name of the Father, Phantom Thread The Boxer and The Last of the Mohicans .

I love Richard's suggestions of Kevin Spacey and Anthony Hopkins but their films haven't always reached the heights and performances haven't always been as consistent as those of the others mentioned. 

I think Samuel L. Jackson and Tom Cruise are worth mentioning: the former always seems to command your attention when he's on the screen and the latter is much better than people give him credit (Rain ManBorn on The Fourth of July, A Few Good MenJerry Maguire, Magnolia, The Last SamuraiVanilla Sky, The Minority ReportCollateral, and even the Mission Impossible series all exhibit highly skilled performances.) But then, you almost have to love action films or the Marvel Universe/superhero movies to give either of them a nod.

And then there's Robert Duvall and Jeff Bridges . . . 








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This a very male dominated thread to say the least! Maybe worth a separate list but I enjoy Jennifer Jason Leigh's performances in Dolores Claybourne, Single White Female and The Hateful 8. Always very interested when anything crops up with her in but seems very rare nowadays. Olivia Coleman and Reece Witherspoon are also generally great in anything they appear in. Others?
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I find Meryl Streep to be pretty good. (Wink)

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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

This a very male dominated thread to say the least! Maybe worth a separate list but I enjoy Jennifer Jason Leigh's performances in Dolores Claybourne, Single White Female and The Hateful 8. Always very interested when anything crops up with her in but seems very rare nowadays. Olivia Coleman and Reece Witherspoon are also generally great in anything they appear in. Others?

Hi,

English/European film has a lot of well known actresses that have made a lot of history. 

I especially like a few of them:

Glenda Jackson, Kristin Scott-Thomas, Vanessa Redgrave and her sister, Dame Peggy Ashcroft, Julie Christie, Sarah Miles, Tilda Swinton, Emma Thompson, Natasha Richardson, Diana Rigg, Judi Dench ... just to name a few and I did not even get to halfway on my list of English/British films!

I thought about adding the French as well, where some women are ... outstanding as well!


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^ you could probably include Charlotte Rampling in both English and French lists!

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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ you could probably include Charlotte Rampling in both English and French lists!


Hi,

I was going to add her name to the French folks ... as soon as we got around to doing this about women!
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Of the American immigrant actors, Tommy Wiseau is horribly underappreciated.

I have enjoyed all four of these very much, and hard to pick one. Maybe Gary Oldman if push came to shove. No, I am going with Billy Bob Thornton for his character in Fargo (I love that first season). Anthony Hopkins is another particular favourite of mine, as well as David Thewlis, and John Lithgow. And Colin Farrell, and Peter Capaldi.

So many great and entertaining actors both male and female. Big fan of Charlotte Rampling. She was wonderful in Zardoz.

Tom Cruise was mentioned but he creeps me out.

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^No! Greg! Why is it so hard to separate the art from the artist? How do you feel about the music of Mozart or Tchaikovsky or Wagner or the art of Da Vinci or Picasso or Van Gogh or the writings of Geothe, Kant, Salinger, or Heinlein or the athleticism of Novak Djokovic. Each and every artist may possess habits or views that might "creep us out" but somehow we still celebrate, study, and admire their art. As an artist/entertainer, I think Tom Cruise is quite talented and quite consistent.

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^ That person in the video, the character that comes through, is who I see coming though commonly when I see Tom Cruise in things, and there was something unnerving to me about him even before I saw that or knew that he was a Scientologist. I can still enjoy John Travolta in things despite knowing he is Scientologist (I don"t think he's a great actor) and I have enjoyed Tom Cruise in some things and can respect his acting despite him creeping me out).

A kind of intensity. There are plenty of artists who have done terrible things whose art I enjoy. Bobby Beausoleil's Lucifer Rising is one of my favourite albums and he is a convicted murderer who was involved with the Manson family.

I can enjoy the art, or performance, of all of those. My wife compares me to Vincent Van Gogh, who I suppose had he been an actor might have been in Julis Caesar, "Friend, Romans, countrymen, lend my your ears." Now that is hella creepy! I can watch an actor who is often in horror movies and not be creeped by the actor when not performing. A writer might creep me out with their works but not creep me out as person or have neagtive personal aspects that I do not focus on when reading their writings. Stanley Kubrick kind of creeps me out, or I find intimidating and problematic as person, yet he is one of my favourite directors. Kevin SPacey had his big MeToo moment yet I still really love his acting. Therre are interesting moments where art seems to imitate life and life imitates art which would be another interesting aspect, but commonly I can separate the art from the artist as well as finding interest in the synergy.

Anyway, I found that Tom Cruise video quite fascinating to watch. It feels so Hollywood, and the Scientology jargon.... Having really delved into Scientology (a topic I was fascinated by) it likely would have a much bigger impact on me than others. I hope you can grok where I am coming from, to quote a word from one of my very favourite novels, Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land. But if you Kant, no problem.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2023 at 13:30
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Of the American immigrant actors, Tommy Wiseau is horribly underappreciated.

LOL!

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Tom Cruise was mentioned but he creeps me out.


All the Scienos annoy me, but I tolerate a few of them (to an extent).

I like Tom's early-CoS stuff. I still think his best movie is Risky Business. It never gets old. A bona fide '80s classic.

I don't care for the M:I franchise and a lot of his other flicks (I couldn't finish Jerry Maguire), but one that turned out surprisingly good is Oblivion.

Like Chick Corea, Stanley Clarke, John Novello and Billy Sheehan are Scienos. But I still have their albums on the shelf. It's unfortunate people get swept up in that claptrap, but there's not much we can do about it. It IS an awful organization.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Having really delved into Scientology (a topic I was fascinated by) it likely would have a much bigger impact on me than others.

It's a widespread virus that will somehow, some way, be eradicated someday. While it's machinations and tendrils run wide and deep, there are many smaller cults that are more fascinating and trippier to read up on (check out the documentary Holy Hell). The small insular cults are where things get really weird.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Having really delved into Scientology (a topic I was fascinated by) it likely would have a much bigger impact on me than others.


It's a widespread virus that will somehow, some way, be eradicated someday. While it's machinations and tendrils run wide and deep, there are many smaller cults that are more fascinating and trippier to read up on (check out the documentary Holy Hell). The small insular cults are where things get really weird.


Thanks, I have watched Holy Hell. By the way, my favourite cult documentary on Netflix is Wild Wild Country. Heaven's Gate is the cult that has fascinated me the most and I actually feel a significant connection to the group.
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