4 Actors whom can do few Wrongs
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Topic: 4 Actors whom can do few Wrongs
Posted By: Icarium
Subject: 4 Actors whom can do few Wrongs
Date Posted: August 28 2023 at 13:25
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Four actours whom both through reading reviews, coment sections, poll results, these four or at last Billy, Daniel and Gary usually wins, i throw in Ralph as I always enjoys hes portrail of characters, both fictional and real life. These are fine actors of flair and elegance, but also a hint of normalcy. Whos your pick -------------  
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: August 28 2023 at 13:51
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Oldman. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: August 28 2023 at 20:15
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: August 29 2023 at 03:29
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Of the four, Oldman is the one I know the best, so voted accordingly. I need to see more films of the other three. I understand Day-Lewis takes method acting to extremes and I need to see more of his work. I was rolling down the hill and got passed by a swarm of olives. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: August 29 2023 at 08:21
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Daniel Day Lewis. He is a strange person. He has not always acted and for a few years he retired from Hollyowood and worked in a shop in Italy!!! Then he went back to acting. And now he has retired at a young age. All in all, he has acted in few films but has won 3 Oscars: three!!! ------------- Gaza: One year of Genocide with the complicity of the West |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: August 29 2023 at 08:46
Hi, "Intensity" is a very strong part of the English Theater and its forays into experimental material through the National Theater and Royal Shakespeare Company, for nearly 60 years. Even though DDL is not from there, he understood the lessons well, and his taking things seriously and to what has been believed as an extreme, has rewarded him well in his life, with the Oscars, because few folks can stand up to that intensity. But, remember, one moment in American Acting history that made THE ACTING STUDIO famous and also brought out a large number of actors with it, many of whom also did a massive amount of film. By the time you heard Marlon Brando scream STEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAA, you knew right away that the world heard it ... and it did not take long for many in England to get the drift and take it on ... American Theater, however, was not as well represented in writing as the English had been for many years, thus, the American Theater suffered, while Hollywood stole that flame. It's difficult deciding which of all those is the better/best of them, since many are very strong and in the subtle of ways, sometimes hardly recognized. Reminds me of one film I saw all the way to the end, and wondered who that person was doing that maid ... and she was really good ... and it runs out that it was Meg Ryan, and you would never have guessed it ... and that is when you know you have something special on hand. Obviously DDL fits in a different scale, but at the very least no one can say that they were cheated by that actor. It was strong, and then some!
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jamesbaldwin wrote:Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: August 29 2023 at 10:19
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Four great actors indeed, but the one who has most impressed me - and really impressed me - because of his acting is Daniel Day-Lewis. Already in My Left Foot and The Unbearable Lightness of Being, but especially in There Will Be Blood and The Gangs of New York, a.o... ------------- The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 29 2023 at 20:13
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In general I love Billy Bob Thornton's work including the wonderful TV series Goliath where he played a lawyer representing the underdog against big corporations. He is very likeable and easy to empathasise with his characters. He also totally gorgeous and I say that as a totally heterosexual man! If the criteria was slightly different I might vote Ralph Fiennes just for Schindlers List. Never seen a better more believable potrayal of a psychopath including even Spacey's performance in Seven and Hopkins in Silence Of The Lambs. He is also very likeable in his many other roles. Daniel Day Lewis as mentioned had done some great work but his films don't really grab me and I couldn't get all the way through Lincoln but perhaps thats because i'm a Brit! Love Gary Oldman's recent TV work in Slow Horses (watch it if you get a chance) but again like DDL I'm not a great fan of his films. I also think he is more of a character actor. However I've not yet seen Darkest Hour so probably should reserve judgement.
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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: August 30 2023 at 06:50
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I, too, revere (and vote for) Daniel Day-Lewis. Even his early stuff (My Beautiful Launderette and Room With a View) were amazing. And no one's mentioned his amazing performances in In the Name of the Father, Phantom Thread, The Boxer and The Last of the Mohicans . I love Richard's suggestions of Kevin Spacey and Anthony Hopkins but their films haven't always reached the heights and performances haven't always been as consistent as those of the others mentioned. I think Samuel L. Jackson and Tom Cruise are worth mentioning: the former always seems to command your attention when he's on the screen and the latter is much better than people give him credit (Rain Man, Born on The Fourth of July, A Few Good Men, Jerry Maguire, Magnolia, The Last Samurai, Vanilla Sky, The Minority Report, Collateral, and even the Mission Impossible series all exhibit highly skilled performances.) But then, you almost have to love action films or the Marvel Universe/superhero movies to give either of them a nod. And then there's Robert Duvall and Jeff Bridges . . . ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 30 2023 at 22:43
| This a very male dominated thread to say the least! Maybe worth a separate list but I enjoy Jennifer Jason Leigh's performances in Dolores Claybourne, Single White Female and The Hateful 8. Always very interested when anything crops up with her in but seems very rare nowadays. Olivia Coleman and Reece Witherspoon are also generally great in anything they appear in. Others? |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: August 31 2023 at 06:19
I find Meryl Streep to be pretty good. ( )------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: August 31 2023 at 08:12
Hi, English/European film has a lot of well known actresses that have made a lot of history. I especially like a few of them: Glenda Jackson, Kristin Scott-Thomas, Vanessa Redgrave and her sister, Dame Peggy Ashcroft, Julie Christie, Sarah Miles, Tilda Swinton, Emma Thompson, Natasha Richardson, Diana Rigg, Judi Dench ... just to name a few and I did not even get to halfway on my list of English/British films! I thought about adding the French as well, where some women are ... outstanding as well! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 31 2023 at 10:10
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^ you could probably include Charlotte Rampling in both English and French lists! |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: August 31 2023 at 10:29
Hi, I was going to add her name to the French folks ... as soon as we got around to doing this about women! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 31 2023 at 18:29
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Of the American immigrant actors, Tommy Wiseau is horribly underappreciated. I have enjoyed all four of these very much, and hard to pick one. Maybe Gary Oldman if push came to shove. No, I am going with Billy Bob Thornton for his character in Fargo (I love that first season). Anthony Hopkins is another particular favourite of mine, as well as David Thewlis, and John Lithgow. And Colin Farrell, and Peter Capaldi. So many great and entertaining actors both male and female. Big fan of Charlotte Rampling. She was wonderful in Zardoz.  Tom Cruise was mentioned but he creeps me out. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: September 01 2023 at 06:58
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^No! Greg! Why is it so hard to separate the art from the artist? How do you feel about the music of Mozart or Tchaikovsky or Wagner or the art of Da Vinci or Picasso or Van Gogh or the writings of Geothe, Kant, Salinger, or Heinlein or the athleticism of Novak Djokovic. Each and every artist may possess habits or views that might "creep us out" but somehow we still celebrate, study, and admire their art. As an artist/entertainer, I think Tom Cruise is quite talented and quite consistent. ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 01 2023 at 09:10
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^ That person in the video, the character that comes through, is who I see coming though commonly when I see Tom Cruise in things, and there was something unnerving to me about him even before I saw that or knew that he was a Scientologist. I can still enjoy John Travolta in things despite knowing he is Scientologist (I don"t think he's a great actor) and I have enjoyed Tom Cruise in some things and can respect his acting despite him creeping me out). A kind of intensity. There are plenty of artists who have done terrible things whose art I enjoy. Bobby Beausoleil's Lucifer Rising is one of my favourite albums and he is a convicted murderer who was involved with the Manson family. I can enjoy the art, or performance, of all of those. My wife compares me to Vincent Van Gogh, who I suppose had he been an actor might have been in Julis Caesar, "Friend, Romans, countrymen, lend my your ears." Now that is hella creepy! I can watch an actor who is often in horror movies and not be creeped by the actor when not performing. A writer might creep me out with their works but not creep me out as person or have neagtive personal aspects that I do not focus on when reading their writings. Stanley Kubrick kind of creeps me out, or I find intimidating and problematic as person, yet he is one of my favourite directors. Kevin SPacey had his big MeToo moment yet I still really love his acting. Therre are interesting moments where art seems to imitate life and life imitates art which would be another interesting aspect, but commonly I can separate the art from the artist as well as finding interest in the synergy. Anyway, I found that Tom Cruise video quite fascinating to watch. It feels so Hollywood, and the Scientology jargon.... Having really delved into Scientology (a topic I was fascinated by) it likely would have a much bigger impact on me than others. I hope you can grok where I am coming from, to quote a word from one of my very favourite novels, Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land. But if you Kant, no problem. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 01 2023 at 13:30
LOL!
All the Scienos annoy me, but I tolerate a few of them (to an extent). I like Tom's early-CoS stuff. I still think his best movie is Risky Business. It never gets old. A bona fide '80s classic. I don't care for the M:I franchise and a lot of his other flicks (I couldn't finish Jerry Maguire), but one that turned out surprisingly good is Oblivion. Like Chick Corea, Stanley Clarke, John Novello and Billy Sheehan are Scienos. But I still have their albums on the shelf. It's unfortunate people get swept up in that claptrap, but there's not much we can do about it. It IS an awful organization. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 01 2023 at 13:37
It's a widespread virus that will somehow, some way, be eradicated someday. While it's machinations and tendrils run wide and deep, there are many smaller cults that are more fascinating and trippier to read up on (check out the documentary Holy Hell). The small insular cults are where things get really weird. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 01 2023 at 13:48
Thanks, I have watched Holy Hell. By the way, my favourite cult documentary on Netflix is Wild Wild Country. Heaven's Gate is the cult that has fascinated me the most and I actually feel a significant connection to the group. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 01 2023 at 13:52
I was surprised to learn not long ago that Heaven's Gate has continued to operate. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 01 2023 at 14:07
Kind of still operating. There are some people who were members (classmates) who go by TELAH as I recall and still keep the old site going and will even give you material if you request it, and one of the old classmates, Sawyer, is still a firm believer. He has been very much at odds with other former classmates of Ti and Do and resents their taking ownership of things Heaven's Gate. I underestrand people wanting to not be part of this world, to want to something special, but I find the belief-system anbd desires so unsettling, and deepy unethical to the vehicle you inhabit (the body that is taken over). That body snatcher mentality is so off-putting to me. These were misfits who found a sense of community and purpose and propped each-other up which led to the 30 "beaming up" as one member who ended her vehicle's life put it -- A Star Trek reference being very apt since Nichelle Nichols's (Uhura) brother was one of the class that took that fateful act. I spent so much time looking into them, watching documentaries, hearing the tapes, watching the videos, correspondence, everything, that I do feel this deep connection with the class (and I find it all so sad). ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 01 2023 at 14:44
On the 25th anniversary of the departure of the "Away Team", HG was profiled on TV down here, since San Diego is only a couple hours away. That's when I learned the Kings were maintaining the website and producing literature on request. I was like—Wow! I found Buddhafield particularly fascinating because of its quasi-micro scale, unorthodox (by cult standards) structure, and the loyalty of its adherents even in the prolonged absence of their solitary leader. Nobody coerced anyone to stay—they simply did, and do. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 01 2023 at 15:17
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^ Very interesting. Frankly, the "exit" tapes from Applewhite and his students (the away team) I found so compelling, but I don't recommend to others. Buddhafield is fascinating. Oh, and I hope no one complains about us derailing the thread. Icarium might be like, "The dark forces have tried to steer this down these hellish side-roads and tried to lead the flock astray and away from the straight and narrow road of the truth and the light of my threadly vision, but we shall prevail. You look thirsty, here, have some Kool-Aid." Sorry for such a terrible cult leader impersonation and an even worse impersonation of Icarium (who may be a part-time cult leader, who knows?) ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 01 2023 at 15:29
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: September 01 2023 at 15:49
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No, i like threads that goes into various discussions. Also if it manage to have a civil tongue. Tom Cruise is an enigmatic ficure whom inspire me. The Last Samurai and Minority Report is in my to 20 films ever. The four choises i have in the poll, is both based on my recollextion of poll results in previous PA polls and actors level of esteemed preformances, whom also has some relation of not being to much years appart from eachother. As a fan of the Harry Potter film series, and me and my fathers relation to the jewish story of seccond WW, Schindlers List have a VERY spesial space to hungarian jews, the ability of Ralph Finnes in portraing Amon Göth, sends cold sensasion of ice down the spine, and hot hatefull venom. Also Finnes role in the English Patient. Ralph Finnes is one of my favourite actors, and from interviews and how he was among the young actors in Harry Potter, a real gentleman -------------
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 01 2023 at 22:48
agree totally, love Risky Business (and that Tangerine Dream soundtrack!) ansd Oblivion is a great shout. Very underappreciated film also with a very good cast including Morgan Freeman. The MI franchise is so meh its ridiculous imo.
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Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: October 17 2023 at 13:29
Throw in The Name Of The Father too, great actor! ------------- Heaven is waiting but waiting is Hell |
Posted By: Fercandio46
Date Posted: August 05 2024 at 00:08
Just remembering Glenda Jackson dancing and trying to hypnotize buffaloes in Women in Love by the great Ken Russell makes her worthy of being on the list. But also her participation in Sunday Bloody Sunday by John Schlesinger, where she taught how to say so many things with silences... made her eternal.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: August 05 2024 at 08:28
Hi, A thought ... remember that she went on to politics ... and I just kept thinking about something ... can you imagine her putting on a "performance" in front of all those rich farts that didn't win anything and bought their way in? IO can see it now ... by the time she is done with her small speech, half the men in there have prunes and worn out crayons left! And likely, their shorts wet! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: August 08 2024 at 19:53
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Hi, A great moment in the Ennio documentary that is neat ... during the shoot of one scene, Robert DeNiro demanded to have the music played so he would deliver his lines with the same idea and feel ... that, my friends is so rare, and so THEATER ... but here it was in a film ... awesome stuff! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: September 15 2024 at 10:56
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DDL for me, although Anthony Hopkins is probably my all time favourite. And from across the pond, it would have to be Tom Hanks…. ------------- Heaven is waiting but waiting is Hell |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 15 2024 at 12:53
| From that list I'd go for Daniel Day Lewis or Ralph Fiennes. Probably the former. From what I've seen I don't think Billy Bob Thornton or Gary Oldman are their equals. I'm more impressed with Jeremy Irons than both of them. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: September 16 2024 at 12:32
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Hi, I have a hard time deciding which one is more interesting than the other. Both DDL and GO are (usually) very good and I'm not sure that we will find something not being right ... DDL has retired, and I think his taking the roles too seriously from an acting perspective was very tough, but that was not exactly new ... Klaus Kinski did the same thing and you can see examples in Werner Herzog's film about his friend. I imagine that he scared a few folks along the way. The bad/sad part of it all, is that from a directing/filming perspective it is fascinating to watch and you don't want to stop it ... and likewise, many years earlier, Marlon Brando screamed so loudly that all of American Theater heard it, and Elia Kazan was not about to take it out at all ... it "made" Tennessee Williams come alive ... and it might not otherwise, if just taken from the script directly. A similar thing is George and Martha in the famous Edward Albee film of the play ... you don't stop the thing ... you just let Richard and Elizabeth loose ... and they provide the fireworks ... I doubt you will see/hear that in the play if you read it for a class, for example. But it helped sell the author ... I doubt that Richard and Elizabeth would be able to do it one more time, the next night if the play was in London, or NY ... it works better as a film, because you don't have to stop it, and then grab the parts that matter the most ... script or not! I don't have a favorite, as I stated, but there are some parts here and there that are simply outstanding ... close your eyes and listen to Sir John Gielgud do his lines in PROSPERO'S BOOKS ... they are so clear and neatly spoken that you start wondering how the next visual comes from the lines, and/or how it blends with the lines. Likewise Sir Ian McKellen doing Richard III in the film, an updated version ... with "a king for a horse ... and he is on a Jeep trying to run off. At the same time is a couple of his lines in the LOTR trilogy. There are some far out things out there ... that's for sure!
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: October 09 2024 at 08:29
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Hi, Just in the news ... Daniel Day Lewis is acting again, this time in a piece written by his own son. I bet that we will all line up to see it!!!!!  ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Moonshake
Date Posted: October 09 2024 at 17:46
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