In & out of PA faves: starting 2023 & moving down

mathman0806 wrote: My gosh. Those lyrics are awful.

mathman0806 wrote: My gosh. Those lyrics are awful.

moshkito wrote: Logan wrote: ... I did a much longer list, but decided to split it into different posts over time. ... Hi, The year, for me, was never important or indicative of anything. This is my view of the arts, and specially film, where the minute you think this is great, a film from nowhereville is Venus makes you feel stupid.

And yet I thought you've argued about understanding art from a historical context, and thinking about the impact it made at the time. If you mean the very specific year you don't pay much attention to, then fine. The period is important, as art is impacted by things going on in the world, and chronology is important in art because art is impacted by earlier art. The time gives context. I was a listening to an album released last year yesterday, and it references COVID-!9 restrictions, but that thinking are improving. Knowing when it cam out gives it more context lyrically. The music itself is still rather timeless (or hard to define the time) to my ears.

Moshkito wrote: Music for me, is "eternal", thus a year is not better than the other, and neither is one album better than the other, since for me, it's about the artist and his/her artistry.

When you say music is eternal, do you mean more in a Platonic theory of forms way? For me all years that I have delved into music from are worthwhile, and it's not really about better or worse (not the way I tend to think). When someone says such and such a year or decade sucked for music, my first thought is that they have not explored deeply enough and perhaps their tastes and experiences are just too narrow and over time if they are open-eared and open-minded and exploratory, that opinion might very well change. There are some years, of course, where I know and love more music and some years, decades, centuries where I know no music. Even is music is somehow eternal, I unfortunately am not eternal (or immortal) in a way that I could hope to experience all times of it, and I am stuck in a rather darned linear perception of time and existence for myself. Perhaps in a way, all things of all apparent times exist simultaneously -- at the least I like to take a holistic view of things, but I digress.

I'm interested in the artist and the artistry (as with other tings) at particular points of time as well as overall. Artists go through different phases, they are people too, and people change. Experiences shape and influence us. Events, history shape us. Considering the time does not depreciate from the artistry for me, and in fact the opposite.

Moshkito wrote: To me, it's not the preferences ... it's the bits and pieces that just blow your ideas out completely ... and you learn quickly that having "ideas" is not only STUPID, it is also a gross time wasting concept ... which we always think is more important than sliced bread!

I think I'm not quite following your thesis now. Lots of ideas are stupid, though, or stupidly expressed. I don't mean that in a snarky way in case it comes off that way. I have been accused of gross stupidity when it comes to my ideas many time (mostly by my wife, I take no offence).

moshkito wrote: this is my "attraction" to art history, be it in literature, film, theater, music or painting ... the ones that gave you a new vision and sight that no one could before ... and they did it by "telling" the status quo to take a hike, and we have to learn to do that better!

Oh, well at least we both do like history and I am of the simple opinion being a simple temporal man that years and chronology are historically including artistically significant, and I put much weight on causality.

Moshkito wrote: Loved a lot of that listing, but again, it confused me more than it helped, because I really don't care that "Wolf City" is from 1972 ... it could just as easily be 2012 ... and still be a great album, and to me that is the measure of greatness.

It's not really supposed to help. And even if Wolf City sounds like it might be more contemporary, it is very significant to me that it isn't. Some of my favourite music actually pretends to be projects from the past (Kosmisher Laufer and Klaus Morlock especially). They built a historical background story to go along with the music because the time when the music was made according to the fictitious story is important to the creation and context of the music.   

Music influences and inspires other music. If B was result of A, which led to C, then D, then of course it matters when A came out.   Recognising causality is not only important to historians, it's important to survival. Whether someone remembers the specific year some album came out, generally that is not of so much interest to me. I expect most recognise 1969 as the year of our King Crimson's Court... If it was as seminal an album as is claimed, and even if not, when it came out is important as it led to other albums and some say that it sparked or helped spark a movement. If it came out today it would not be as highly regarded in all likelihood. Let's say that In the Wake of Poseidon ended up being Crimson's debut, now Court might be considered a retro take on that album and it would not have the historical weight. Especially for a determinist like me, when something happened/ came out is of a great deal of interest to me and is clearly important.

Using years like this is a way to organise the exercise. What is of interest to me is seeing people's contemporaneous likes that are in PA and not in PA. Such comparisons have long been of interest to me.

Anyway, post your own list or not, either is fine by me. I'm glad that various people seem to appreciate the exercise and have followed the topic expectations. I love tangents, but one can sometimes get so distracted that the topic becomes a total confusing mess. Reading all of this would confuse more than one person I expect.

^ Many great things on your list! But you know Slint are actually on PA (as are Talk Talk)?

My original conception for this topic was that instead of doing it in separate topics we would slowly roll-out certain years (say once a week) and then move onto another so we are working on the same years. Mirakaze's yearly Prog album lists were very successful and became a communal event in a way that I guess this could not become when doing it this way, but I like to build on things and keep them together in one place to make reference easier. I did a lot of yearly polls to help me, but I haven't wanted to go back through those as I do like to do fairly fresh lists generally each time as I continue to discover music from different times and the new discoveries often excite me more.

I have plowed ahead of others too much, and trickling them in would have been better, but I am not the most patient person when it comes to such exercises. I do hope more will continue with the list and others will add lists (for whatever years if they can't start from the modern times). I have barely slept for days, and I do like to make lists during my nights of insomnia.

To continue with my yearly listings, here is the weighty for me and hatey for some others 80s. It is hard to choose just one from PA in each years as there are so many I like. Other than Cocteau Twins who have a number of 80s albums I love, it is harder for me to find many 80s out-of-PA albums that I love. Phew I once suggested for PA (and deleted it much later). In fact a lot that I mention that is not in PA I do not think really would be out of place in PA as progressive music acts more on the fringes of the greater prog umbrella rather than more traditional notions of Prog genre music (like The Flower Kings). Some I could suggest, and might well find success, but I just don't really care to especially because I like making topics like this and the more in PA the harder it is to do so. ;)

1989: Cardiacs - On Land and in the Sea
1989: The Cure - Disintegration

1988: Geinoh Yamashirogumi - Symphonic Suite AKIRA
1988: Cocteau Twins - Blue Bell Knoll

1987: Swans - Children of God
1987: The Lounge Lizards - No Pain for Cakes

1986: Camberwell Now - The Ghost Trade
1986: Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Your Funeral ... My Trial

1985: Kate Bush - Hounds of Love
1985: Tuxedomoon - Holy Wars

1984: Dead Can Dance - Dead Can Dance
1984: Cocteau Twins - Treasure

1983: Art Zoyd - Les espaces inquiets
1983: Cocteau Twins - Head Over Heels

1982: Laurie Anderson - Big Science
1982: Yasuaki Shimizu - Kakashi

1981: Eskaton - 4 Visions
1981: Phew - Phew

1980: Art Zoyd - Génération sans futur
1980: Douji Morita - Un, deux, trois

I had originally thought to maybe not repeat artist/band names or at least very little, but I subsequently mostly threw that to the wind (some like Art Zoyd and Swans I am tempted to repeat more).

Grumpyprogfan wrote: ^The Yes album is not yet released. How do you know it's your favorite, Paul?

My Non-Prog Favourites from 2018-2023

Edited by Psychedelic Paul - May 19 2023 at 05:41

1989: Ozric Tentacles - Pungent Effulgent