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    Posted: April 17 2023 at 02:01
After having a listen through all of the Pink Floyd albums i recently bought, ive decided to make a worst to first album ranking video.   I know its early days, as these albums have not had multiple listens by me yet, but ive decided to go with what i know thus far.  If i were to make this video in 5 or 10 years from now, the rankings may possibly be different, i hope my choices are not too controversial.

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I think you need more listens and more carefully. At least I disagree almost completely.

More has Cirrus Minor, Cymbaline, Green Is The Colour just to mention few. Atom Heart Mother...well, everytime it's played by a cover band, I'm there.
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The exclusion of More makes me a bit sad, because it's one of my favorites. 
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

I think you need more listens and more carefully. At least I disagree almost completely.

More has Cirrus Minor, Cymbaline, Green Is The Colour just to mention few. Atom Heart Mother...well, everytime it's played by a cover band, I'm there.
I know its probably early days for me to judge Atom Heart Mother as low as i have, as one song on there is 23 mins long.    Songs that long do need many listens before you can truly judge them, i understand that.

I would have taken the time to listen to the 3 albums that i dont have, but as they seem to be widely accepted as their poorest albums, i decided to omit them instead.
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05. 4 stars 1969: Pink Floyd - More (soundtrack) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI8T_Rwi1hE
07. 4 stars 1987: Pink Floyd - A Momentary Lapse of Reason - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n08I7C9aGvUGTWmENUINUSQNiV1BVZ_cs
14. 3 stars 1967: Pink Floyd - The Piper at the Gates of Dawn - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kSgXPSP2bLvCWtPF64Wopm2N1OHhCe4sg

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Hi,

I have never thought of PF's work as a best or worst ... unless it was a Hipgnosis cover making fun of their ability and standing. I do think that things like "The endless River" is seriously, and severely lacking when it comes to the rest of their work, but comparing The Wall to the 1st or 2nd album in terms of preference, is probably a bad idea ... different times and different places, and different results.

I couldn't suggest to you a "best" ... and I could not suggest you a worst. I might even say "WURST" instead of worst, just for fun ...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2023 at 06:55
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

I have never thought of PF's work as a best or worst ... unless it was a Hipgnosis cover making fun of their ability and standing. I do think that things like "The endless River" is seriously, and severely lacking when it comes to the rest of their work, but comparing The Wall to the 1st or 2nd album in terms of preference, is probably a bad idea ... different times and different places, and different results.

I couldn't suggest to you a "best" ... and I could not suggest you a worst. I might even say "WURST" instead of worst, just for fun ...

You make a good point, but still take things way too seriously. 
Can you say which is your (most) favorite and which is your least favorite? 
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Originally posted by Greenmist Greenmist wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

I think you need more listens and more carefully. At least I disagree almost completely.

More has Cirrus Minor, Cymbaline, Green Is The Colour just to mention few. Atom Heart Mother...well, everytime it's played by a cover band, I'm there.
I know its probably early days for me to judge Atom Heart Mother as low as i have, as one song on there is 23 mins long.    Songs that long do need many listens before you can truly judge them, i understand that.

I would have taken the time to listen to the 3 albums that i dont have, but as they seem to be widely accepted as their poorest albums, i decided to omit them instead.


I agree with Octopus.... I disagree with the list's choices... and its existence.

This YT video is totally pointless (and IMHO - no offence - useless), especially admitting this was your first listen to all albums (you sure about that?) and excluding some (rather good, IMHO) albums like More.... or the unmentionned Relics, FTM.

That you do such a thing (list) after some 5 or 10 listens, I'd say that I would retract the useless word (maybe not pointless, though).





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Originally posted by Greenmist Greenmist wrote:

After having a listen through all of the Pink Floyd albums i recently bought, I've decided to make a worst to first album ranking video.   I know its early days, as these albums have not had multiple listens by me yet, but ive decided to go with what i know thus far.  If i were to make this video in 5 or 10 years from now, the rankings may possibly be different, i hope my choices are not too controversial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiIEVnRxiow
At least we both agree on Ummagumma being bottom of the list, although I wouldn't call it a "borefest". It's still a pretty decent 3-star album for me. I also like The Final Cut, The Endless River and especially the More soundtrack. In fact, the more times I hear it, the more I like it. Big smile


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Gnosis ratings out of 15.

Animals - 14
WYWH - 14
Ummagumma - 13
DSOTM - 12
Meddle - 12
Atom Heart Mother - 12
Piper - 11
Saucerful - 10
Obscured By Clouds - 10
More - 9
The Wall - 9
The Division Bell - 8
AMLOR - 7
TDSOT - 7
The Endless River - 7
The Final Cut - 6
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I don't really have a Gnosis ratings out of 15, but stole "the concept" from  Nogbad_The_Bad

Meddle - 15
Saucerful - 14
Piper - 13
DSOTM - 12
Atom Heart Mother - 12
WYWH - 12
The Wall - 12
Animals - 10
More - 9
Ummagumma - 9
Obscured By Clouds - 7
The Final Cut - 6
AMLOR - 6
The Division Bell - 6
The Endless River - 5
TDSOT - 5

-without much thinking. And it's Pink Floyd against themselves, not compared to other music.
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Plagiarised Gnosis ratings out of 15.

DSOTM - 14
WYWH - 14
Animals - 13
Meddle - 12
Atom Heart Mother - 11
The Wall - 10
Saucerful - 9
Obscured By Clouds - 9
The Division Bell - 9
Piper - 8
More - 8 (Sorry, Cristi!)
AMLOR - 8
Ummagumma - 7 (Studio side; Live side - 11)
The Endless River - 7
The Final Cut - 6
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Quite a mixed baggage of rankings

I will give those 3 albums a listen to in the near future, but i think as far as their long songs go that im very new to, i think i should begin with and concentrate on Dogs and the Shine on You Crazy Diamond songs
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DSOTM - 14
WYWH - 14
Animals - 13
Meddle - 12 (Seamus & San Trop make it drop one point)
Atom Heart Mother - 12
The Wall - 10
The Final Cut - 10
Saucerful - 9
More - 9
Obscured By Clouds - 9
Ummagumma - 9 (Studio side; Live side - 11)
The Division Bell - 9
The Endless River - 9
Piper - 8
AMLOR - 7



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This might be weird...

1. Animals 4.88
2. Wish You Were Here 4.73
3. Ummagumma 4.38
4. Meddle 4.23
5. The Dark Side of the Moon 4.16
6. A Momentary Lapse of Reason 3.86
7. Atom Heart Mother 3.83
8. The Endless River 3.73
9. The Division Bell 3.66
10. A Saucerful of Secrets 3.64
11. Obscured by Clouds 3.60
12. The Final Cut 3.58
13. The Wall 3.47
14. The Piper at the Gates of Dawn 3.13
15. More 3.10

All Pink Floyd albums combined 3.84
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

I don't really have a Gnosis ratings out of 15, but stole "the concept" from  Nogbad_The_Bad


Gnosis rating guide:

15: One of the best ever, perfect. We suggest to raters that, at most, the top 1% of all albums receive a 15. While any rating from 12 through 15 can accurately be described with the superlatives "masterpiece" or "classic," only the 15s should appeal to the rater in as profound a manner as possible.

14: A near perfect classic. In many ways, the difference between 15s and 14s are barely existent; 14s are fantastic albums that either have a very minor flaw or just dont take it to the next level. We suggest to raters that, at most, the top 5% of all albums receive either a 14 or 15.

13: A classic, but not one of the very best. 13s are exalted grades. They are used for albums that the raters consider a classic or a masterpiece, yet did not make the very peak of the hill. A 13 is still an extremely highly recommended item, one that has few flaws. This rating can also be considered an "in-between" grade between favorites and borderline classics.

12: A borderline classic. A 12 is an album that one might instantly apply the word "classic" to, but on deeper reflection, one might not be so sure. There may be slight flaws that would have one hesitate on an intensely specific and critical level, yet a 12 is still an album that would have one mesmerized.

11: Excellent. While not a classic, an album that is very enjoyable and an important part of ones collection. We recommend that raters not give grades higher than 11 on the very first listen.

10: Very good. An album that, while not great, is definitely worth keeping and is very enjoyable.

9: Pretty good. While an album better than most, one may or may not keep an album with a rating of 9.

8: Slightly above average. An album with noticeable flaws, although few permeate the album entirely. Perhaps half the album is superb but the other half is so-so. Or there's a sentimental connection and little else.

7: Completely mediocre. Neither good nor bad. In the greater scheme of things, an album rated as a 7 has been buried under a pile of much superior titles, and while one is not ready to pan it, the rating implies, that, ercan you put something else on?

6: Slightly below average. Just a tad worse than mediocre. Perhaps some parts are outright annoying or distasteful.

5: Below average. Maybe not outright "bad", but definitely a poor effort.

4: Pretty bad. A grade of 4 indicates a strong recommendation to avoid.

3: Bad. An album that contains a handful of decent moments in an otherwise atrocious outing.

2: Very bad, but there are worse. Although an incredibly poor effort, not one of the very worst. However, thats not to say that there are any redeeming values.

1: The worst thing ever. Intolerable. Godawful. A frisbee. A perfect example of something that one loves to hate.
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My Gnosis ratings of Pink Floyd albums:

Dark Side of the Moon - 15
Wish You Were Here - 15
Animals - 13
Meddle - 13
The Piper at the Gates of Dawn - 12
Ummagumma - 11
Atom Heart Mother - 11
A Saucerful of Secrets - 11
The Wall - 10
More - 10
Obscured By Clouds - 9
A Momentary Lapse of Reason - 8
The Division Bell - 8
The Endless River - 7
The Final Cut - 7

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Ok!

1) The Piper - 14 - 5 STARS

- Saucerful - 13? - 5 STARS
- WYWH - 13 - 5 STARS
- Atom heart - 13 - 5 Stars

- DSOTM - 12 - 4/5 STARS
- UMMAGUMMA 12? - 4/5 STARS

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- THE FINAL CUT - 11 - 4,5 STARS

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- ANIMALS 10 - 4 STARS
- THE WALL 10 - 4 STARS

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- Meddle - 8 - 3 STARS
- AMLOR - 8 - 3 STARS
- DIVISION BELL -7 -  3 STARS
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- OBSCURED BY CLOUDS - 2 STARS
- MORE - 2 STARS
- ENDLESS RIVER - 2 STARS

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I wouldn't want to do a best to worst as I'd rather focus on my favourites, which while best for me, I might not consider among the very best overall from a somewhat more objective viewpoint, at least more objective from my perception using my metrics.

Amongst my favourites are Atom Heart Mother, A Saucerful of Secrets, Meddle, Ummagumma, Piper at the Gates of Dawn and indeed More. Really I like every album up to and including The Wall very much and I would find it hard to rate them.

As for the video. I respect that you were honest about your lack of knowledge, that you haven't given these albums much time or spins and omitted albums altogether, but I would much rather see one that comes from a place of more knowing and having insight into the material. More research would have helped. Just omitting albums and assuming that's fine because of a perceived consensus shows what I would expect as some due diligence. Seems lazy and lacking good scepticism -- a deeper dive maybe based on your reviews would be better for my tastes. That said, I know Pink Floyd better and don't know that I could do a better job, and people like reaction videos where one can't expect much substance, so I don't want to come off as overly critical. It's okay for what it is as long as one doesn't take it seriously. Yoiyu seem to go for more of ranty, less nuanced/ subtle style, which is popular, with your commentary.

I watched one of your videos, well in part, Bands and artists that are popular that I do not get...



You wrote that "to me they are just nothing but a huge borefest", which is fine by me (and quite understandable for much Radiohead for a Ratt fan etc.) and you say tried and tried, but I wonder how many albums you tried and tried. It took me a long time to really get into Radiohead beyond a few songs (A Moon Shaped Pool and Ok Computer where the first album to really work for me). I didn't try hard, but over some years I exposed myself to more and more. That said, I like kinds of atmospheric soundtracky music that it seems you don't care for. I had not heard it likened to Anathema, and maybe that expectation of it sounding like Anathema put you off. I like a lot of Radiohead but what I have heard of Anathema is pretty anathema to me.

Björk has a lot of music I love, especially from Debut, Post, Homogenic and Vespertine. Not sure if you heard any full albums or it's just basing it on some songs you heard off the radio?

The Cure: You mention not getting into their songs, but I like the album Disintegration. I never got into Sisters of Mercy.



Gary Numan: I would not base my view on a compilation. I prefer to check out well rated albums and read the reviews. I was turned onto him as a child thru Gary Numan and the Tubeway Army's Replicas and I think that's a great album and the best one to start with. My second favourite of his is Telekon (that would be marmite) and then The Pleasure Principle.

But you have a lot of music you reviewed that I'm not into -- you even did Bon Jovi.

Anyway, once I get the chance I will make a video with my horrid voice on music, and it will be horrible I bet. Yours are entertaining, and not meant to be huge research projects, I understand.

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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

I don't really have a Gnosis ratings out of 15, but stole "the concept" from  Nogbad_The_Bad


Gnosis rating guide
Thanks! I think I nailed it. My least favorite Pink Floyd-albums are Maybe not outright "bad", so that sounds about right. And as I even love Seamus, Meddle is perfection to me. I've rated 11640 albums 1,99% of them has gotten five stars* - Meddle being one of them.

*about 60-70 of them being compilations of various artists, and none of the thousands of albums I've never bothered finishing=haven't rated would have gotten more than a two star. Besides it's easier to get five stars than 15/15
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