Pink Floyd worst to first album ranking
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Topic: Pink Floyd worst to first album ranking
Posted By: Greenmist
Subject: Pink Floyd worst to first album ranking
Date Posted: April 17 2023 at 02:01
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After having a listen through all of the Pink Floyd albums i recently bought, ive decided to make a worst to first album ranking video. I know its early days, as these albums have not had multiple listens by me yet, but ive decided to go with what i know thus far. If i were to make this video in 5 or 10 years from now, the rankings may possibly be different, i hope my choices are not too controversial. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiIEVnRxiow
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: April 19 2023 at 06:07
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I think you need more listens and more carefully. At least I disagree almost completely. More has Cirrus Minor, Cymbaline, Green Is The Colour just to mention few. Atom Heart Mother...well, everytime it's played by a cover band, I'm there. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 19 2023 at 06:18
| The exclusion of More makes me a bit sad, because it's one of my favorites. |
Posted By: Greenmist
Date Posted: April 19 2023 at 06:40
I know its probably early days for me to judge Atom Heart Mother as low as i have, as one song on there is 23 mins long. Songs that long do need many listens before you can truly judge them, i understand that. I would have taken the time to listen to the 3 albums that i dont have, but as they seem to be widely accepted as their poorest albums, i decided to omit them instead.
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octopus-4 wrote:Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: April 19 2023 at 06:49
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01.  1994: Pink Floyd - The Division Bell - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l8uhrpr8mlimuStnZsOdKEoSQGvMpHpP4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l8uhrpr8mlimuStnZsOdKEoSQGvMpHpP4 02. 1973: Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l1x-JAx0w53suECoCI0YJtW6VB8DBQWRQ" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l1x-JAx0w53suECoCI0YJtW6VB8DBQWRQ 03.  1975: Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mzowhqljIOba8BVGEmVkeaWeL2S_bO4bw" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mzowhqljIOba8BVGEmVkeaWeL2S_bO4bw 04. 1979: Pink Floyd - The Wall - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nE3dmeYl_9Jgv2CT0aqufkDcyB6BBMcGM" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nE3dmeYl_9Jgv2CT0aqufkDcyB6BBMcGM 05. 1969: Pink Floyd - More (soundtrack) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI8T_Rwi1hE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI8T_Rwi1hE 06. 1968: Pink Floyd - A Saucerful of Secrets - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lBrFvNjJj-F86-KrsohnXsHstyziMaiUY" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lBrFvNjJj-F86-KrsohnXsHstyziMaiUY 07. 1987: Pink Floyd - A Momentary Lapse of Reason - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n08I7C9aGvUGTWmENUINUSQNiV1BVZ_cs" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n08I7C9aGvUGTWmENUINUSQNiV1BVZ_cs 08. 1972: Pink Floyd - Obscured by Clouds - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mUAYIyG7xQuHzYJ4vnQU-bk3SFfzCxa28" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mUAYIyG7xQuHzYJ4vnQU-bk3SFfzCxa28 09. 1970: Pink Floyd - Atom Heart Mother - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m-_hJUy5TAO10yRvbxgvSO3ZrBp9_zXg4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m-_hJUy5TAO10yRvbxgvSO3ZrBp9_zXg4 10. 1977: Pink Floyd - Animals - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mOd2Ws36n_VlDvTIUsyWGb3Y9UVIlB9BA" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mOd2Ws36n_VlDvTIUsyWGb3Y9UVIlB9BA 11. 1971: Pink Floyd - Meddle - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nznfbOMyruTyQ1CAOO8AON_qXVbA4fAA8" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nznfbOMyruTyQ1CAOO8AON_qXVbA4fAA8 12. 2014: Pink Floyd - The Endless River - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lBhwuVFEaOrUieMzuR0Y--3uU_0V_AMQk" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lBhwuVFEaOrUieMzuR0Y--3uU_0V_AMQk 13.  1983: Pink Floyd - The Final Cut - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lulVQWuZ__9BNccS5Bqsa2OmbA0u3B-8M" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lulVQWuZ__9BNccS5Bqsa2OmbA0u3B-8M 14. 1967: Pink Floyd - The Piper at the Gates of Dawn - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kSgXPSP2bLvCWtPF64Wopm2N1OHhCe4sg" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kSgXPSP2bLvCWtPF64Wopm2N1OHhCe4sg 15. 1969: Pink Floyd - Ummagumma - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kAc6x90dz0ECmWwY3MSmuT1sHrL9p6bSI" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kAc6x90dz0ECmWwY3MSmuT1sHrL9p6bSI |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 19 2023 at 06:52
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Hi, I have never thought of PF's work as a best or worst ... unless it was a Hipgnosis cover making fun of their ability and standing. I do think that things like "The endless River" is seriously, and severely lacking when it comes to the rest of their work, but comparing The Wall to the 1st or 2nd album in terms of preference, is probably a bad idea ... different times and different places, and different results. I couldn't suggest to you a "best" ... and I could not suggest you a worst. I might even say "WURST" instead of worst, just for fun ... ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 19 2023 at 06:55
You make a good point, but still take things way too seriously. Can you say which is your (most) favorite and which is your least favorite?
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 19 2023 at 07:02
I agree with Octopus.... I disagree with the list's choices... and its existence. This YT video is totally pointless (and IMHO - no offence - useless), especially admitting this was your first listen to all albums (you sure about that?) and excluding some (rather good, IMHO) albums like More.... or the unmentionned Relics, FTM. That you do such a thing (list) after some 5 or 10 listens, I'd say that I would retract the useless word (maybe not pointless, though). . ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: April 19 2023 at 07:22
At least we both agree on Ummagumma being bottom of the list, although I wouldn't call it a "borefest". It's still a pretty decent 3-star album for me. I also like The Final Cut, The Endless River and especially the More soundtrack. In fact, the more times I hear it, the more I like it.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: April 19 2023 at 08:48
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Gnosis ratings out of 15. Animals - 14 WYWH - 14 Ummagumma - 13 DSOTM - 12 Meddle - 12 Atom Heart Mother - 12 Piper - 11 Saucerful - 10 Obscured By Clouds - 10 More - 9 The Wall - 9 The Division Bell - 8 AMLOR - 7 TDSOT - 7 The Endless River - 7 The Final Cut - 6 ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: April 19 2023 at 13:16
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I don't really have a Gnosis ratings out of 15, but stole "the concept" from Nogbad_The_Bad Meddle - 15 Saucerful - 14 Piper - 13 DSOTM - 12 Atom Heart Mother - 12 WYWH - 12The Wall - 12
Animals - 10 More - 9 Ummagumma - 9 Obscured By Clouds - 7 The Final Cut - 6 AMLOR - 6 The Division Bell - 6 The Endless River - 5 TDSOT - 5 -without much thinking. And it's Pink Floyd against themselves, not compared to other music. |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: April 19 2023 at 13:42
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Plagiarised Gnosis ratings out of 15. DSOTM - 14 WYWH - 14 Animals - 13
Meddle - 12 Atom Heart Mother - 11 The Wall - 10 Saucerful - 9 Obscured By Clouds - 9 The Division Bell - 9 Piper - 8 More - 8 (Sorry, Cristi!) AMLOR - 8 Ummagumma - 7 (Studio side; Live side - 11) The Endless River - 7 The Final Cut - 6 |
Posted By: Greenmist
Date Posted: April 19 2023 at 14:09
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Quite a mixed baggage of rankings I will give those 3 albums a listen to in the near future, but i think as far as their long songs go that im very new to, i think i should begin with and concentrate on Dogs and the Shine on You Crazy Diamond songs
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 19 2023 at 15:04
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DSOTM - 14 WYWH - 14 Animals - 13
Meddle - 12 (Seamus & San Trop make it drop one point) Atom Heart Mother - 12 The Wall - 10 The Final Cut - 10 Saucerful - 9 More - 9 Obscured By Clouds - 9 Ummagumma - 9 (Studio side; Live side - 11) The Division Bell - 9 The Endless River - 9 Piper - 8 AMLOR - 7 ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: April 19 2023 at 15:09
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This might be weird... 2. Wish You Were Here 4.73 3. Ummagumma 4.38 4. Meddle 4.23 5. The Dark Side of the Moon 4.16 6. A Momentary Lapse of Reason 3.86 7. Atom Heart Mother 3.83 8. The Endless River 3.73 9. The Division Bell 3.66 10. A Saucerful of Secrets 3.64 11. Obscured by Clouds 3.60 12. The Final Cut 3.58 13. The Wall 3.47 14. The Piper at the Gates of Dawn 3.13 15. More 3.10 All Pink Floyd albums combined 3.84 ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 19 2023 at 15:51
Gnosis rating guide: 15: One of the best ever, perfect. We suggest to raters that, at most, the top 1% of all albums receive a 15. While any rating from 12 through 15 can accurately be described with the superlatives "masterpiece" or "classic," only the 15s should appeal to the rater in as profound a manner as possible. 14: A near perfect classic. In many ways, the difference between 15s and 14s are barely existent; 14s are fantastic albums that either have a very minor flaw or just dont take it to the next level. We suggest to raters that, at most, the top 5% of all albums receive either a 14 or 15. 13: A classic, but not one of the very best. 13s are exalted grades. They are used for albums that the raters consider a classic or a masterpiece, yet did not make the very peak of the hill. A 13 is still an extremely highly recommended item, one that has few flaws. This rating can also be considered an "in-between" grade between favorites and borderline classics. 12: A borderline classic. A 12 is an album that one might instantly apply the word "classic" to, but on deeper reflection, one might not be so sure. There may be slight flaws that would have one hesitate on an intensely specific and critical level, yet a 12 is still an album that would have one mesmerized. 11: Excellent. While not a classic, an album that is very enjoyable and an important part of ones collection. We recommend that raters not give grades higher than 11 on the very first listen. 10: Very good. An album that, while not great, is definitely worth keeping and is very enjoyable. 9: Pretty good. While an album better than most, one may or may not keep an album with a rating of 9. 8: Slightly above average. An album with noticeable flaws, although few permeate the album entirely. Perhaps half the album is superb but the other half is so-so. Or there's a sentimental connection and little else. 7: Completely mediocre. Neither good nor bad. In the greater scheme of things, an album rated as a 7 has been buried under a pile of much superior titles, and while one is not ready to pan it, the rating implies, that, ercan you put something else on? 6: Slightly below average. Just a tad worse than mediocre. Perhaps some parts are outright annoying or distasteful. 5: Below average. Maybe not outright "bad", but definitely a poor effort. 4: Pretty bad. A grade of 4 indicates a strong recommendation to avoid. 3: Bad. An album that contains a handful of decent moments in an otherwise atrocious outing. 2: Very bad, but there are worse. Although an incredibly poor effort, not one of the very worst. However, thats not to say that there are any redeeming values. 1: The worst thing ever. Intolerable. Godawful. A frisbee. A perfect example of something that one loves to hate.------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: enigmatic
Date Posted: April 19 2023 at 16:27
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My Gnosis ratings of Pink Floyd albums: Dark Side of the Moon - 15 Wish You Were Here - 15 Animals - 13 Meddle - 13 The Piper at the Gates of Dawn - 12 Ummagumma - 11 Atom Heart Mother - 11 A Saucerful of Secrets - 11 The Wall - 10 More - 10 Obscured By Clouds - 9 A Momentary Lapse of Reason - 8 The Division Bell - 8 The Endless River - 7 The Final Cut - 7 |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: April 19 2023 at 16:49
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Ok! 1) The Piper - 14 - 5 STARS - Saucerful - 13? - 5 STARS - WYWH - 13 - 5 STARS - Atom heart - 13 - 5 Stars - DSOTM - 12 - 4/5 STARS - UMMAGUMMA 12? - 4/5 STARS --------------- - THE FINAL CUT - 11 - 4,5 STARS ------ - ANIMALS 10 - 4 STARS - THE WALL 10 - 4 STARS ------- - Meddle - 8 - 3 STARS - AMLOR - 8 - 3 STARS - DIVISION BELL -7 - 3 STARS ------ - OBSCURED BY CLOUDS - 2 STARS - MORE - 2 STARS - ENDLESS RIVER - 2 STARS ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 19 2023 at 17:47
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I wouldn't want to do a best to worst as I'd rather focus on my favourites, which while best for me, I might not consider among the very best overall from a somewhat more objective viewpoint, at least more objective from my perception using my metrics. Amongst my favourites are Atom Heart Mother, A Saucerful of Secrets, Meddle, Ummagumma, Piper at the Gates of Dawn and indeed More. Really I like every album up to and including The Wall very much and I would find it hard to rate them. As for the video. I respect that you were honest about your lack of knowledge, that you haven't given these albums much time or spins and omitted albums altogether, but I would much rather see one that comes from a place of more knowing and having insight into the material. More research would have helped. Just omitting albums and assuming that's fine because of a perceived consensus shows what I would expect as some due diligence. Seems lazy and lacking good scepticism -- a deeper dive maybe based on your reviews would be better for my tastes. That said, I know Pink Floyd better and don't know that I could do a better job, and people like reaction videos where one can't expect much substance, so I don't want to come off as overly critical. It's okay for what it is as long as one doesn't take it seriously. Yoiyu seem to go for more of ranty, less nuanced/ subtle style, which is popular, with your commentary. I watched one of your videos, well in part, Bands and artists that are popular that I do not get... You wrote that "to me they are just nothing but a huge borefest", which is fine by me (and quite understandable for much Radiohead for a Ratt fan etc.) and you say tried and tried, but I wonder how many albums you tried and tried. It took me a long time to really get into Radiohead beyond a few songs (A Moon Shaped Pool and Ok Computer where the first album to really work for me). I didn't try hard, but over some years I exposed myself to more and more. That said, I like kinds of atmospheric soundtracky music that it seems you don't care for. I had not heard it likened to Anathema, and maybe that expectation of it sounding like Anathema put you off. I like a lot of Radiohead but what I have heard of Anathema is pretty anathema to me. Björk has a lot of music I love, especially from Debut, Post, Homogenic and Vespertine. Not sure if you heard any full albums or it's just basing it on some songs you heard off the radio? The Cure: You mention not getting into their songs, but I like the album Disintegration. I never got into Sisters of Mercy. Gary Numan: I would not base my view on a compilation. I prefer to check out well rated albums and read the reviews. I was turned onto him as a child thru Gary Numan and the Tubeway Army's Replicas and I think that's a great album and the best one to start with. My second favourite of his is Telekon (that would be marmite) and then The Pleasure Principle. But you have a lot of music you reviewed that I'm not into -- you even did Bon Jovi. Anyway, once I get the chance I will make a video with my horrid voice on music, and it will be horrible I bet. Yours are entertaining, and not meant to be huge research projects, I understand. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: April 20 2023 at 00:20
*about 60-70 of them being compilations of various artists, and none of
the thousands of albums I've never bothered finishing=haven't rated
would have gotten more than a two star. Besides it's easier to get five
stars than 15/15
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: April 20 2023 at 00:44
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My ratings (in Gnosis terms): Wish You Were Here - 15 Ummagumma - 13 Meddle - 13 Dark Side of the Moon - 13 Atom Heart Mother - 12 Animals - 12 A Saucerful of Secrets - 11 The Division Bell - 11 Obscured by Clouds - 10 The Final Cut - 10 The Piper at the Gates of Dawn - 9 More - 9 The Wall - 9 A Momentary Lapse of Reason - 9 The Endless River - 8 ------------- 
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Posted By: Greenmist
Date Posted: April 20 2023 at 02:12
| Why do a fair amont of people here think Ummagumma is a top album?, i am honestly baffed by that one. Most of the songs on this album just sound like ambient movie scene music. Usually when i wanna listen to music i dont stick on a movie soundtrack if the soundtrack is pretty much just all ambient atmospherics from individual scenes, this is why i know i wont return to Ummagumma much. |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: April 20 2023 at 03:11
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 20 2023 at 03:23
I've not used a Gnosis 15 so far and have only used the Gnosis 14 only 13 times, which gives me 0% and 0.08% respectively, out of +/- 8000 ratings. But yes, getting a 5  is much easier than a Gnosis 15. FTM, a PA5 is equivalent to a G15+G14+G13 and a PA4 is equivalent to a G12+G11+G10
First, the UG Live album is excellent, especially Eugene and gives a new life to Astronomy Domine. For years, it was the only live testimony of that was available of that era ... until the Live In Pompeii VHS was available in the mid-80's. As for the UG studio album, David's Narrow Way, Roger's Meadows and Richard's Sysyphus are relatively good (in some ways, it prefigures the flipside tracks of AHM). And Nick's bruitages & tinkering and Roger's Furry Animals will show how they will become sooooo good at all these studio twists from DSOTM onwards. I guess you'd hate The Man & The Journey suite (recorded at Amsterdam's Concergebouw in 69) they never published. It was near Musique Concrète. .
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: April 20 2023 at 03:36
I think you should treat yourself Hugues, and move your favourite 25 albums up a notch...
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: April 20 2023 at 03:38
I can't speak for others and I haven't even posted a ranking, however in my view the live album is the absolutely best thing they released; you need to "get" psychedelic experimentation, get into the flow, reach imaginary landscapes that are only open to us through music (some have chemical alternatives but I'm not one of them
). Pink Floyd in the old days became a legend as a live band and would use their material freely, providing a different trip every time. They did many things that hadn't been done before, and definitely broadened the horizon of rock music big time. The Ummagumma live album is a great document of that, the best that we have of one of the best bands in the world at full power. Obviously one can discuss the rating of something that is built on older material, but for me this is the essential Pink Floyd. The second album is very good in places and fun in others, I listen to it with curiosity and can appreciate it, even though I agree that quite a bit of it hasn't that much relistening value. I'm generally always curious what can be done in music, what sounds can be used and how, and they did much exploration here, even if maybe not all of it successful. You've got to appreciate experimentation and not doing things as the mainstream thinks they have to be done. I think I'd give it a 13, 15 coming from the live album. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 20 2023 at 03:50
I don't think I can rank PF  - Meddle, DSOTM, More, AHM, WYWH, Animals are all excellent to me, even ASOS is up there. I wouldn't know how to do them justice in a ranking.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 20 2023 at 03:52
Perfection is not of this world, mon ami. BTW, I have +/- 100 Gnosis 13 and 350 Gnosis 12 (1.3% and 4.5% respectively) I kind of wear it as a badge of honour, to be one of the most severe rater on the Gnosis site. Here is my Gnosis 14: (shoot me, no Genesis, Yes, ELP, King Crimson, etc...) 14 Caravan In the Land of Grey and Pink Eng 1971 ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: April 20 2023 at 04:15
Quite an interesting list, thanks. I probably should try harder with Caravan... I suppose when you are blessed with a 15 digit scale, you can afford to keep '15' off limits; that said, I bet you don't give very many albums a 3 or less, either? My personal problem with the PA scale is that as I'm reticent to give 5's and almost never give 1's, it becomes so limited that most albums are bunched around the 3 and 4 stars, which comes to mean very little. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 20 2023 at 05:00
Technically, there is more crud than quality in the world of pop music  Sooooo, TBH, I tend to think that most of the pop albums on earth are certainly below a G7 or G5 rating (the cringe  comes at G4 and below, IMHO), but I haven't 90% heard them, or if I did, I haven't cared to rate them. That said, my overall Gnosis rating frequency from 15 to 1 is more of Gauss curve on a graph (frequency of occurrence being the Y axis and Gnosis rates being the X-axis), with most of my Gnosis ratings being 9, 8, 7 and 6 (technically I view that as PA3 and PA2). And yessss, not using a G15 is a luxury I can afford, given the 15 scale.  Not even sure I could spare a space like that on a 10 scale.  I guess that most other "Gnostics" also have the same Gauss curve, though I suspect often a "skewed bell" shape (meaning skewed towards the top ratings), because most members only care to rate the stuff they love or remember well - rather than understandably focus on the bad stuff. In other words, I tend to rate from the middle of the scale, rather than from the top of the scale. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 20 2023 at 07:46
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Pretty much only interested in PF's seventies albums when they were 'fully formed'. Not that interested in their weird psychedelic/experimental roots while they settled for being a PF tribute band in later years and not even as good as Aussie Floyd (as they have readily admitted). Meddle, DSOTM, WYWH and Animals are total classics. The Wall like a lot of doubles is a but messy but well it still has In The Flesh, Run Like Hell and Comfortably Numb which are as good as anything they did.
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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: April 20 2023 at 12:24
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This is the forum of a progressive music site: it's normal that The Piper is not the forumists' favourite album. But, from the point of view of musical history, Pink Floyd never wrote a more revolutionary album than The Piper. In particular, the track Interstellar Overdrive alone is worth a rock band's career. Wanting to associate it with A Sauceful of Secrets, I think I can say that from Atom Heart Mother onwards, thus including TDSOTM and WYWH, Pink Floyd have musically become a reactionary band. I'm talking about music, not lyrics, about the musical impact on an era: nothing is better than the first album, and at most the second. The albums of the seventies may appeal more to a prog fan, they may be more elaborate and complex in sound and composition, they may constitute summits of high quality, but the suites of AHM, TDSOTM and WYWH are very cerebral, very reassuring, very captivating, they want to seduce with a melodic, slow and sumptuous style, completely planned: they are the opposite of being transgressive, excessive, revolutionary, the opposite of Interstellar Overdrive where disorder and improvisation reign. The psychedelic revolution had already passed. ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: April 20 2023 at 14:27
Thanks, that's quite interesting. Tell me, when you have a rating system of 1-15 which you have obviously been using on Gnosis for many years now, do you find you adjust your ratings more regularly? I know you have a sizeable collection which necessitates some albums being played infrequently. So, when you do dust them off and give them a spin, do you actively look at the grading previously given and adjust them? On PA, once an album has been given a 4 star rating, that alone will cover a broad spectrum and will therefore probably stay the same for ever, whereas it is quite conceivable that a 9 might move to a 10 over time? I just wondered how actively you used the rating system on a weekly/ monthly basis?
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Posted By: runciblemoon
Date Posted: April 21 2023 at 03:24
This is a really interesting take. I don't fully agree, but I certainly see where you're coming from. I'd say AHM is where you see the band grappling with their pyschedelic/experimental urges and a desire to create a more polished final product. That of course reaches its apex with DSotM, which I do think for all of its musical conservatism is still breaking norms in its use of the studio. DSotM is one of the first and, to this day, best attempts at creating a fully immersive, cohesive, pseudo-cinematic experience on record. Of course, once they cracked that particular nut it was for the most part diminishing returns (for pure personal enjoyment Animals is my go-to, but I can't for a second pretend they're doing anything new on that one).
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 21 2023 at 06:43
FYI, I've started on PA, RYM or Gnosis in 2004/5.and JMA 20 2011. First rule of the Gnosis site is that Gnosis is evolutive and asks its members to update your ratings in case your tastes have evolved. I certainly do that on a regular basis, but not systematically. I don't think my ratings on Genesis, Crimson or Yes will evolve (I don't even listen to them anymore, since I know them by heart), so I don't go there anymore; but I do so often for the stuff I've discovered in the last decade. So yes, my Gnosis gradings will change up or down a notch or two. One of the other thing I do is compare by year and intercompare by groups (whether I grade Yes albums to Genesis or Crimson albums with the same "rules & spirit") These rating methods I've also applied right from the start for PA and JMA (I also did some ratings for RYM as well quite a while ago) with the 5 stars ratings systems - applicable on all 3 other sites. BTW: I'm a strong supporter of the half-star ratings possibility on PA (it's applicable on other sites) Soooo, I do update regularly on Gnosis, rarely on PA & JMA (I've stopped reviews over 5 years, and I find access to reviews/ratings is relatively arduous when you've got 3500 and 2000 ratings respectively) and almost never on RYM (who cares, there?). . ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Stressed Cheese
Date Posted: April 21 2023 at 08:50
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Since this thread has become a place where people just post their Gnosis ratings for Pink Floyd, I'll join in!: TOP Animals - 15 WYWH - 14 DSOTM - 13 (Ummagumma Live - 13) Piper - 13 MID Atom Heart Mother - 12 Meddle - 12 Ummagumma - 11 ((13 + 8) / 2 = 10.5 ~= 11) Secrets in a Saucer - 11 LOW Clouds - 9 More - 8 (Ummagumma Studio - 8) The Wall - 7 Final Cut - 4 Might seem a bit harsh for The Final Cut, but according to the Gnosis rating system, everything 5 and above can't be called "bad" and TFC is bad, so. A 4 still corresponds to a 2-star album on PA, so I'm being generous, if anything. But both it and The Wall are due some relistens, so who knows, could go up a bit. Or down! On the topic of this whole Gnosis rating stuff. I'd come across it but never really looked at it, but I like this system...I'd tried to come up with something similar (and always thought a 15-point scale was great), in case I ever make more of an effort to review stuff, but this should do. I have some thoughts, though. First of all, a rating of 9 apparentely indicates a "pretty good" album that's "better than most", but it also says, one "may or may not keep" an album with a rating of 9. Why would you not keep a pretty good album that's better than most? That's a bit silly. Second, if you don't use ratings of 15, and everyone's free to decide that for themselves, of course, but a 14 effectively becomes the highest grade, and so a 14/14. Again, it's fine, but why not give a 15 to that select group albums that you'd take on a hypothetical desert island?
Okay, not to be like the 10th person to respond to this, but that does not sound like Ummagumma to me at all. It does sound like some parts of More, however. Ambient, soundtrack-like music implies it's perfect for putting on in the background, but I'd say that Ummagumma has a lot of details to pick out for a careful listen. The live disc especially has some very nicely layered/built-up songs, and on the studio disc, Grantchester Meadows and The Narrow Way are very conventional songs. Maybe some repeat listens will make you appreciate it more, idk.
I don't know. I think their albums from 1971-1975 don't really evolve that much. Not to say they didn't grow at all, but I'd say that even something like Crimson changed more from, say, Poseidon to Red, than Floyd did in from Meddle to Wish. Zappa only really didn't change as much from album to album because he wrote so much stuff that a single "era" or style could easily fill at least 2, if not more albums. So if you control for the sheer amount Zappa released and the relatively small amount of albums Floyd released, Zappa easily wins in versatility/innovation. And hey, don't say they didn't innovate after Waters left! They took a big, big turn when he left: they became boring. |
Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: April 21 2023 at 14:00
And in what way do any of the first eight VdGG albums sound like any of the other first eight albums? In those first eight VdGG, one has four very different sounds (TAGM, {TLWCDIWTEO, HTHWATOO, PH}, {G, SL, WR}, TQZ/TPD), and even {TLWCDIWTEO, HTHWATOO, PH} really has three distinct sounds, as does {G, SL, WR}, even though they can be grouped together based on some similarity of sound. ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 22 2023 at 04:52
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OK, I just updated in Gnosis mt News From Babel rating from 9 & 10 to 10 & 11 repectively, because I just referred to Gnosis to see the year 1984 for the 1984 poll PP bumped a few minutes ago. I did so, because the first NFB album seemed drowned in a sea of average albums at a G9 grade, something it did not deserve, IMHO. It's much more fitting with a Gnosis 10, IMHO. Their second (with Wyett on vocals) is much better, and merited to be featured atop 1986 and with a 11, it achieved that (86 is a relatively poor year - one of the poorest, FTM)
 What I meant is that the ambiance on everyone of their 70's albums are very different as they progressed from a happy-hippie soundtrack (More & AHM) to an oppressive doom soundscape (Animals, Wall, TFC). Of course this is also linked to Waters taking the control of the lyrics, and in doing so, modified the rest of the band's sonics. Waters recently claimed to have mainly written DSOTM and to a lesser extent WYWH, and he's not wrong, because of the critics on society and their own surroundings: the mood changes drastically from OFTD, Echoes, Pillow & Fearless on Meddle to DSOTM's Time, Money, U&T, and Brain Damage and later on Shine On You and Welcome to The Machine. Let's not forget either, that Dogs & Sheep also date from the WYWH recording sessions (just like The Wall's Run Like Hell sounds very much like it belonged on Animals). Furthermore, Floyd has many works on the first part of the decade which remains relatively obscure (and therefore unknown to the masses, because never officially releawsed), such as like tracks like Embryo or Cymbalene (the extended version), the Roland Petit Ballet (between Meddle and DSOTM) and The Man & The Journey suite. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Boojieboy
Date Posted: April 24 2023 at 16:04
| I never hide that fact that Piper at the Gates of Dawn is my favorite from them. Lots of people don't "get it", but the joke's on them. It's their limitation, not the band's. |
Posted By: Greenmist
Date Posted: April 25 2023 at 01:29
I think thats a little bit unfair. You dont have to be into every single music style a band has ever done. Sometimes bands go in directions to genres of music your not really into. Its like im a big fan of Savatage the prog metal band, but im not much of a fan of Savatage the traditional heavy metal band. Hall of the Mountain King in my opinion is their only "good" album from that era. Power of The Night is not too bad i guess, but Sirens, Fight For The Rock and Dungeons Are Calling, not a fan of at all. Nearly all Paradise Lost fans arnt too crazy about the album Believe In Nothing. Coldplay have 2 era's to them aswell. Before 2010 they were more like early Radiohead, but after that year they went more pop rock where i dont think that era is as good. On their latest album however, on its final track, they had a go at a prog rock style song, and ill give them their dues, they didnt do a bad job of it.
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: April 27 2023 at 18:20
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my top-8: 1. Animals 2. Wish You Were Here 3. Dark Side of the Moon 4. A Momentary Lapse of Reason 5. The Wall 6. Meddle 7. The Division Bell 8. The Piper at the Gates of Dawn, Ummagumma, Atom Heart Mother, A Saucerful of Secrets, More, Obscured By Clouds, The Final Cut, The Endless River |
Posted By: Frets N Worries
Date Posted: May 01 2023 at 16:27
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Let's see, I like all their albums, and they all have great parts to them, but to me there are definite ones that stand out. 15) The Final Cut 14) Ummagumma 13) Endless River 12) More 11) Momentary Lapse of Reason 10) A Saucerful of Secrets 9) Piper at the Gates of Dawn 8) Atom Heart Mother 7) Division Bell 6) Obscured by Clouds 5) Animals 4) Meddle 3) The Dark Side of the Moon 2) Wish You Were Here 1) The Wall (Yes, DSOTM and WYWH are objectively better, but I like The Wall more
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: May 02 2023 at 03:58
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Here's my favorites, rated from 1 to 10 at PF: 1) The Dark Side of the Moon: 10 2) Wish You Were Here: 10 3) The Dark Side Of The Moon (Live at Wembley 1974): 9 4) The Wall: 9 5) The Final Cut: 9 6) Live at Pompeii: 9 7) Animals: 9 8) Meddle: 9 9) A Momentary Lapse of Reason: 7 10) Ummagumma: 7 11) The Division Bell: 7 ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |