Forum Home Forum Home > Other music related lounges > General Music Discussions
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Oh Roger, Roger, Roger. When will you learn?
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Oh Roger, Roger, Roger. When will you learn?
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <123
Author
Message
  Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options
gents View Drop Down
Forum Groupie
Forum Groupie
Avatar

Joined: December 30 2010
Location: Croatia
Status: Offline
Points: 89 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (2) Thanks(2)   Quote gents Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2022 at 15:34
I'm not for Putin and agree what Sean says. Someone who is saying for 15 years not to put nato near him should be considered seriously. Come on it's Russia. Someone said that Russia is too big and needs to be smaller. WTF? What do you care. What kind of a statement is that. What would you do if your neighbour is putting rockets in his backyard and you telling him not to for 15 years. Could Putin made different choice? Maybe yes maybe no. The things went too far and thats what exactly they wanted. That Zelensky is a klown who is just doing his job. Unfortunatelly it's always the poor people who pay the price. The world is going in wrong way for very long time now and it's time for that to change. Unfortunatelly and probably with big, big and big casualties.
Back to Top
Gordy View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Folk/Eclectic/PSIKE/Metal/Post/Math Team

Joined: January 25 2007
Location: US
Status: Offline
Points: 4354 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gordy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2022 at 12:55
Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

 ...The real reasons for this choice is clear: 2 million Budapesters voting against Fidesz and 8 million in the rest of the country voting for continuity. Had the well-funded by Soros opposition as well as Western leftist organizations (NGOs)  put more emphasis on the rural vote , the opposition would have won the election. 

Lots of remarkably awful takes on this thread attacking Roger from the right, and I simply don't have the time and energy to refute them, but Mr. Szirmay's comment right here is a bona fide anti-Semitic trope, as the far-right loves to use the 92-year-old Holocaust survivor as their avatar for all their various imagined nefarious global Jewish schemes. 


Edited by Gordy - September 28 2022 at 12:56
Back to Top
tszirmay View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: August 17 2006
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 6673 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tszirmay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2022 at 16:39
Originally posted by Gordy Gordy wrote:

Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

 ...The real reasons for this choice is clear: 2 million Budapesters voting against Fidesz and 8 million in the rest of the country voting for continuity. Had the well-funded by Soros opposition as well as Western leftist organizations (NGOs)  put more emphasis on the rural vote , the opposition would have won the election. 

Lots of remarkably awful takes on this thread attacking Roger from the right, and I simply don't have the time and energy to refute them, but Mr. Szirmay's comment right here is a bona fide anti-Semitic trope, as the far-right loves to use the 92-year-old Holocaust survivor as their avatar for all their various imagined nefarious global Jewish schemes. 

Really, I am a Far Rightwing now? Maybe a Nazi ? Funny, I did do my thesis on the NSDAP but not out of admiration but loathing, as well as attacking the Stalinist left, making me a direct-democracy centrist since 1972 when I witnessed it in Switzerland . Roger has called Netanyahu a Nazi, fascist ultranationalist etc...does that make Waters anti-semitic? Do answer that, please ! 
 1- Soros is persona non grata in Israel, he is not a zionist and quite reviled for his dubious role during WW2.
 2- I cannot be anti-semitic as I was married to Jewish woman for 37 years, converting to Judaism in Israel where I got married and my 5 children /9 grand children are devout Jews. Soros has been funding the leftist political parties in Europe since time immemorial. His wealth comes from chaos (by his own admittance, see 60 minutes interview on line). 

Quick question for you: Only the right media lies, the left is squeaky clean? Really? Same BS from two sides of the same coin. I promised not to reply but your jumping to easy , convenient conclusions about my character, well, that is unacceptable. You should have asked me for a proper explanation of my comment, that is what civilized debate-oriented DEMOCRATS do.   

In polarized America, you have only 2 political options, so it's EITHER OR. Well there is a third and many many more options. Your stand reflects that in your world ,there are only 2 colours in the universe, how sad....



Edited by tszirmay - September 28 2022 at 18:06
I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
Back to Top
jamesbaldwin View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: September 25 2015
Location: Milano
Status: Offline
Points: 6052 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote jamesbaldwin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2022 at 06:58
Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Originally posted by Gordy Gordy wrote:

Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

 ...The real reasons for this choice is clear: 2 million Budapesters voting against Fidesz and 8 million in the rest of the country voting for continuity. Had the well-funded by Soros opposition as well as Western leftist organizations (NGOs)  put more emphasis on the rural vote , the opposition would have won the election. 

Lots of remarkably awful takes on this thread attacking Roger from the right, and I simply don't have the time and energy to refute them, but Mr. Szirmay's comment right here is a bona fide anti-Semitic trope, as the far-right loves to use the 92-year-old Holocaust survivor as their avatar for all their various imagined nefarious global Jewish schemes. 

Really, I am a Far Rightwing now? Maybe a Nazi ? Funny, I did do my thesis on the NSDAP but not out of admiration but loathing, as well as attacking the Stalinist left, making me a direct-democracy centrist since 1972 when I witnessed it in Switzerland . Roger has called Netanyahu a Nazi, fascist ultranationalist etc...does that make Waters anti-semitic? Do answer that, please ! 
 1- Soros is persona non grata in Israel, he is not a zionist and quite reviled for his dubious role during WW2.
 2- I cannot be anti-semitic as I was married to Jewish woman for 37 years, converting to Judaism in Israel where I got married and my 5 children /9 grand children are devout Jews. Soros has been funding the leftist political parties in Europe since time immemorial. His wealth comes from chaos (by his own admittance, see 60 minutes interview on line). 

Quick question for you: Only the right media lies, the left is squeaky clean? Really? Same BS from two sides of the same coin. I promised not to reply but your jumping to easy , convenient conclusions about my character, well, that is unacceptable. You should have asked me for a proper explanation of my comment, that is what civilized debate-oriented DEMOCRATS do.   

In polarized America, you have only 2 political options, so it's EITHER OR. Well there is a third and many many more options. Your stand reflects that in your world ,there are only 2 colours in the universe, how sad....


On the subject of anti-Semitism, real or alleged (almost always alleged, in my experience), there is much to be said.

You ask whether we can consider Roger Waters an anti-Semite since he speaks of Netanyau as a fascist. Your question is rhetorical. But actually, the answer for many Israeli Jews and also for many European (and perhaps American) Diaspora Jews is yes. Add to that the fact that Roger Waters advocates a music boycott of Israel and the BDS campaign: Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions, and the accusations of anti-Semitism multiply.

In Italy, if you speak out openly in favor of BDS many people, Jewish and otherwise, call you an anti-Semite and cite Jewish stores closed by fascism if you propose to boycott them (actually it would be boycotting products from Israeli colonies, not Jewish stores, but no one pays attention to these essential distinctions). In other words, you are accused of wanting to discriminate against Jews, and you are compared to fascists. Thus, those who support Waters' battles are considered anti-Semites, and the Jewish community suggests to the Anti-Semitism Oversight Committee each year a list (a kind of proscription list) of people suspected of anti-Semitism or anti-Zionism, deliberately making the two terms equivalent.

In England, Corbyn's Labour lost many votes in the election because the chief rabbi accused all of Labour and Corbyn himself of being anti-Semitic, and this only because Corbyn has always denounced Israeli repression of the fundamental rights of Palestinians. 

In short, it is' obvious to any right-thinking person that Waters and Corbyn are not anti-Semites. Yet the campaign to pass off every person critical of Israel as anti-Semitic is very strong and runs from right to left (it is done by Jews and non-Jews alike) in Europe. Who benefits from this campaign? Of course, Israel. 

Ultimately, the charge of anti-Semitism has completely lost its initial semantic value and is now used, almost invariably, as a political category.
Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
Back to Top
moshkito View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 04 2007
Location: Grok City
Status: Offline
Points: 18149 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2022 at 08:01
Hi,

I hope they lock this thread, and the other about Roger Waters. 

The whole thing is getting worse, and it is not something that helps "progressive music" or its artistry, when people are discussing politics and all the crap around it!

Sorry ... this thread is out of line, and has been from the start, and I wish that it had been locked sooner to prevent some of the stuff posted! 

I'm not into "politics" ... I'm into the music! Even though those come together often, in general, I tend to separate myself from those things. I have no issues with Roger doing Radio Kaos (I was there and saw the crap and he was right on the mark) ... but I got tired when he tried to milk THE WALL for his own stuff with a new album and later I enjoyed another album or two, but his ability to keep his mouth shut, or simply stick to the music has gone out of control in the last 25 years, and needed to stop, not to mention his arguments with DG and the band's management especially when he is taking home millions each and every year as it is!

Sorry Roger, you meant something a while back ... you are now a fat goon with nothing to do or write about except anything you want to complaint about.
Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
www.pedrosena.com
Back to Top
Jared View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: May 06 2005
Location: Hereford, UK
Status: Online
Points: 20425 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jared Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2022 at 12:30
You might find this story interesting:


You'll see the PF connection toward the end; it's obvious that Dave & Rog have different ways of going about things...
Back to Top
JD View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: February 07 2009
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 18446 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2022 at 18:56
Maybe Roger better speak to Phil, Tony and Mike so he understands what he's risking !
Thank you for supporting independently produced music
Back to Top
Easy Money View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin

Joined: August 11 2007
Location: Memphis
Status: Offline
Points: 10686 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Easy Money Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2022 at 21:31
^ So apparently Roger Waters has decided to live in what he calls the most evil country in the world. Nice to back up your words with actions.
Back to Top
lazland View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: October 28 2008
Location: Wales
Status: Offline
Points: 13804 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote lazland Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2022 at 00:26
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

^ So apparently Roger Waters has decided to live in what he calls the most evil country in the world. Nice to back up your words with actions.

It is strange, really strange. Waters also ought to consider that his freedom to utter such tripe would be severely curtailed in the paradise that is Putin’s Russia, where if you speak out you are more likely to be thrown out of a tenth floor window - oh, sorry, become the victim of an “unexplained incident”.

I used to worship Waters as a youngster. Now he simply comes across as a daft old git.
Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org

Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time!
Back to Top
geekfreak View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: June 21 2013
Location: Musical Garden
Status: Offline
Points: 9872 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote geekfreak Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2022 at 00:41
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

^ So apparently Roger Waters has decided to live in what he calls the most evil country in the world. Nice to back up your words with actions.


It is strange, really strange. Waters also ought to consider that his freedom to utter such tripe would be severely curtailed in the paradise that is Putin’s Russia, where if you speak out you are more likely to be thrown out of a tenth floor window - oh, sorry, become the victim of an “unexplained incident”.

I used to worship Waters as a youngster. Now he simply comes across as a daft old git.




He’s definitely losing is credible with me over the trivial amount of utter nonsense he spouts out. For myself it started with the sacking of RW. During the recording of the Wall album. I totally agree with you on Purim’s Russia
Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake."



Music Is Live

Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed.



Keep Calm And Listen To The Music…
<
Back to Top
Catcher10 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP Member

Joined: December 23 2009
Location: Emerald City
Status: Offline
Points: 17980 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2022 at 13:54
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

^ So apparently Roger Waters has decided to live in what he calls the most evil country in the world. Nice to back up your words with actions.

It is strange, really strange. Waters also ought to consider that his freedom to utter such tripe would be severely curtailed in the paradise that is Putin’s Russia, where if you speak out you are more likely to be thrown out of a tenth floor window - oh, sorry, become the victim of an “unexplained incident”.

I used to worship Waters as a youngster. Now he simply comes across as a daft old git.

Love that descriptor...."daft old git" Clap. Clearly not sure what it means but I like how it rolls off the lips nice and easy LOL. 
I've never worshiped his heiness Waters, talented for sure....
Back to Top
JD View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: February 07 2009
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 18446 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote JD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2022 at 05:15
https://canoe.com/entertainment/celebrity/roger-waters-says-hes-on-a-kill-list-after-putins-invasion-of-ukraine/wcm/7723fcf2-d226-486d-824f-50abd6881f04
Thank you for supporting independently produced music
Back to Top
Sean Trane View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator

Prog Folk

Joined: April 29 2004
Location: Heart of Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 20438 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sean Trane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2022 at 02:31


let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
Back to Top
JD View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: February 07 2009
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 18446 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2022 at 07:58
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/music/news/roger-waters-drops-ominous-new-version-of-pink-floyd-classic-comfortably-numb/ar-AA14lTHT?cvid=bf59e5cadaf94a4fa39432eef6cb4e51
Thank you for supporting independently produced music
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <123

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.211 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.