Our favorite prog songs of the Seventies |
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suitkees
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^ You mean BaldFriede?! Jean only suggested four...
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mathman0806
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Friede:
I will not include Hawkwind unless it is and then adjust my ranks. The Hillage track stood out for me, so it gets my top spot, and then it gets difficult. The Guru Guru track did not feel as cohesive for such a long track, and Embryo edges it. I had a hard time deciding where High Tide should go but was won over by the guitar. 1. Steve Hillage - 5 pts 2. High Tide - 3 pts 3. Embryo - 2 pts 4. Guru Guru - 1 pt |
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jamesbaldwin
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I know very well this High Tide album, which I consider a small masterpiece, the completely new musical mix they gave birth, between acid-blues, acid folk, psychedelia (great work on the violin) is excellent. First place, 5 points Emrbyo are very close, theirs is a more classical musical form, similar to the blues jam, but very inventive and inspired, second place, 3 points. Guru Gurus is a group that I have followed sometimes for their creativity, the song is definitely experimental and not very melodic, certainly a valuable art-work, even if it does not excite me like the previous ones (it is more refined and cerebral), 2 points Steve Hillage's song, although very refined, seems to me very evanescent, more tricks of the trade than from musical inspiration, 1 point. |
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jamesbaldwin
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Argent - Rather repetitive song based on the rhythm and the chorus repeating a phrase in an obsessive way, the creative part is mainly left to the organist. It doesn't excite me. 2 points Hawkwind - instrumental piece based on a blues riff that makes the backbone, but it is not my cup of tea (I prefer other Hawkwind songs), 1 point Jeff Beck, perhaps the best guitarist since Jimi Hendrix, pulls out a rockblues piece with an acid guitar sound, then the keyboards repeat the riff, virtuosic song, 3 points The Residents, a song taken from their masterpiece, I don't often listen to this kind of cerebral and "cultured" music, with refined sounds, dissonant pieces, use of vocals in an anti-melodic sense, but here experimentalism is not an end in itself, music is not penalized from the research of the sound, and the whole composition takes the form of a completely coherent avant-garde theatrical piece, in short, a masterpiece, certainly a contender for my final vote, 5 points. Edited by jamesbaldwin - July 17 2022 at 18:06 |
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jamesbaldwin
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Cristi, don't you join us? You got time
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nick_h_nz
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Friede
This has been the toughest set of four yet for me to rank, with all four tracks being impressive in their own way. This is how I’ve ranked them today, but it’s definitely with the knowledge that I could easily come up with a completely different ranking on another day. Embryo - 5 points High Tide - 3 points Guru Guru - 2 points Steve Hillage - 1 point Christian Conversely, this was one of the easiest selection of four to rank for me. All but Manfred Mann’s Earth Band could easily have been five pointers in any other selection. Here they had to compete with each other, but my order of preference was clear. Luciano Cilio - 5 points Association PC - 3 points Birth Control - 2 points Manfred Mann’s Earth Band - 1 point |
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Mila-13
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@Lorenzo, I think you will have to contact Cristi either by PM or by posting your message in the team thread. If I'm not mistaken, he hasn't visited this thread so far.- How many of our suggestions will be included in the final selection, still two per participant?
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mathman0806
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Even though I am participating, I have found it easy to overlook this thread because it doesn't have "Interactive Poll" in the title.
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mathman0806
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Jean:
The top spot goes to Can. Then selected Clearlight, which I had not heard before. Almost prog by numbers, I enjoyed it. Thought Dzyan was a bit too free form and not composed, so Popol Vuh in the third spot. 1. Can - 5 pts 2. Clearlight - 3 pts 3. Popol Vuh - 2 pts 4. Dzyan - 1 pt |
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Lewian
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George: The Utopia and FM tracks sound very attractive to me, the other two not quite as much. 5 FM 3 Utopia 2 Colosseum II 1 Be Bop Deluxe
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jamesbaldwin
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Yes, I am writing to Cristi. Yes, two songs per partecipant will be included in the final selection, the two with the higher score. And we will vote for three song. |
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Colosseum II - Elegant song but in my opinion it lacks of inspiration, I don't find real emotional transport, 1 point Be Bop Deluxe - Good hard rock track, more of a blues jam than a prog song, it reminds me of the Jimi Hendrix Experience. 2 Points FM - Very percussive track, actually hard-rock up to 4 minutes, when an electric guitar solo explodes, then there is a pause that reminds me of those that Rush do, but which in this case is much longer, too much long, then the initial percussion resumes the rock rhythm. It's not a real mini-suite, it's a dilated song with a long instrumental pause. Nearly beats the Be Bop Deluxe song, 3 points Utopia - is the song with the most prog composition of the selection, and although I'm not enthusiastic I appreciate its value, it's a very well done song, 5 points |
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Traffic - Song taken from an album that is considered a classic, although never completely loved by anyone because on the border between rock, soul and progressive (as always happens in Winwood). I love this album, its sound, arrangements, Winwood's voice, but this is not one of my favorite songs, too relaxed, but still beautiful especially in the second part when the rhythm increases. 3 Points Anthony Phillips - mini suite of melodic folk with some rather exciting acoustic passages reminiscent of acoustic pieces with Hackett and Gabriel, very well arranged and composed, approaches the masterpiece, perhaps only the climax is missing, 5 points Alquin - I think I've heard the name of this Danish band before! The vocals are the best part of the song but overall the whole composition is a pleasure, it undermines the third place of the Gnidrolog, but I put it in the fourth, 1 point Gnidrolog - beautiful sound both the initial bass and the sax (but is it a sax?), the composition has a good development and the first part is better than that of the Traffic but strangely it loses its liveliness when the vocals arrive, so third place, 2 points |
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Mila-13
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We are currently 9-10 people (depending on whether Friederike and Jean are one ore two persons) plus Cristi if he joins. If we have 2 songs each that would make at least 20 songs in the final selection. 3 votes are definitely too few here, esp. given the fact that it is about prog, that is the average duration of those tracks is quite long. I suggested earlier (at least) 4 votes per person in the final which is not much either but it would however make things a bit easier for us. Edited by Mila-13 - July 18 2022 at 23:28 |
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nick_h_nz
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Or we could change from two songs per poster to only one (with the highest points). That, for me, would be a lot easier, and considerably more preferable, than a hanging the votes per person from three to four - which really doesn’t help in any way with listening to so many songs at once, for the purpose of voting. There is a reason I participate more in the interactive polls submission stage, than voting stage - and it is because I can rarely find the time to listen to all the songs in one go, in order for my vote to be as fair as possible. |
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jamesbaldwin
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I would like to clarify some issues. 1) The number of votes. A request has already arisen several times, by someone, to raise the number of votes from 3 to 5. For example, I had proposed to give 5 votes when we had reached almost 25 nominations, but many had preferred to keep the three preferences, and so I gave up on this idea. Even The Anders, after me, had proposed 5 votes, and if I am not mistaken, Mila had already proposed it in the past, and my answer was that so far the majority has preferred to give 3 votes. I had added that, however, the last decision rests with whoever opens the poll. If Mila wants to open a poll with 5 votes, she can do it (first it would always be better to monitor if it is liked by others). In this case, I thought about the usual 3 votes. I wouldn't mind giving 4 votes, but only if requested by other friends. 2) This poll is very demanding, we have to listen to a lot of songs, but I designed it that way because I thought there were few of us. Now we are in good numbers, and despite this almost everyone has already put in order the 4 proposals of the other forumists. I am surprised and happy for your participation. 3) For the final selection, precisely because we have already listened to 4 songs for each participant, I believe it is right to make two nominations, because then it should not be difficult to choose the three we like most. For example, I will not have to listen to all the nominations to choose my 3 favorites, I think at the most I will listen to 4 or 5 again. Maybe Nick is more precise than me and will have to listen to them all again, but it will still be a second listen. But if many think like Nick, we could only make one nomination. |
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nick_h_nz
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Honestly, for me, the voting is the least interesting part of the interactive polls, and I wouldn’t care if there were no poll at all. So my opinion on the number of votes is probably best ignored. If it makes others happy to have four votes, or even five, then go for it. The submissions and the discussion is what I come for, and I really wouldn’t care if there were no voting at all…. 🤷🏻♂️🤪
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Mila-13
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I think there is not a one-size-fits-all solution. Imo the number of votes should more or less be proportiaonal in terms of the number of participants and the number of tracks included in the final selection. For example 3 votes for up to 12 songs (1:4).- This particular poll is different because there is a preliminary voting which is quite time-consuming. In that regard one track per participant in the final selection would make sense to me.- Anyway, in case of a tie in the preliminary voting, the respective participant should have the last word concering which of his respective suggestions shall be included in the final.- Whether or not the voting should be in general abolished is hard to say but I believe that it gives these threads at least a certain structure.
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nick_h_nz
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Oh, I want at all suggesting that the voting be removed. And I still participate in the voting when I am able to find/make time. All I was really saying is it’s not why I’m here, so please don’t pay much attention to my preference for how many votes there “should” be.
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Lewian
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(a) I don't mind having many songs in the poll as I will have heard them all anyway. (b) Polls turn up on PA all the time where we are forced to make a decision between songs that we like a lot. For me this is part of the game, so I'm fine with 3 votes, but I can also play a slightly different game with 4 votes. So I don't mind much, but for sure I don't see a necessity to allow more votes. And by the way, I absolutely vote for a participation of Cristi! Very keen to see his nominations. (Of course it's up to him at the end of the day.)
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